Palin Contradicts McCain On Pakistan, Seems To Back Obama?s Position

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Skyclad1uhm1

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Obama/Biden/Palin vs McCain?

Sarah Palin told a customer at a Philadelphia restaurant on Saturday that the United States should ?absolutely? launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan in the event that it becomes necessary to ?stop the terrorists from coming any further in,? a comment similar to the one John McCain condemned Barack Obama for making during last night?s presidential debate.
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Seriously, doesn't she at least keep track of what McCain says? There must be someone more qualified than her...
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retrospooty

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Ya, she's a problem... To be fair, Biden's mouth is too, but at least he gets foreign policy. If he were required to be in charge, we would be safe... If Palin were required, we would be in deep poop.
 
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Dari

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You're all wrong. Obama is right and Palin is right. I mean, it's fucking common sense and McCain is just plain wrong. Hell, even Bush gets it and that's why he's attack the terrorists in Pakistan as we speak. I can only assume that the vast majority of Americans agree with this common sense idea. Even Israel gave up on asking it's neighbors a long time ago and just started incursions into their countries as it pleased.

Pakistan may be our nominal ally but the only reason for that is because India and Pakistan are mortal enemies and 50 years ago India was a socialist country. If that wasn't the case, Pakistan would be on our list of nations that support terrorism. Hell, Pakistan is also allied to China (again, because of India), which goes to show their value on the American alliance.
 
Squisher

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This CAN be kinda played both ways. McCain is for the principle of hot pursuit cross border incursions just not strikes without first getting permission of Pakistan.

I think McCain would like to be for Obama's policy and Palin's poorly chosen words, but is trying overly hard to not be portrayed as one of the party of global bullies. He has to play the "I'm not a warmonger like Bush card" somewhere in the world and he has chosen Pakistan. I guess he feels that Pakistan is a place to make an ally out of a contentious relationship. Good luck with that.


 
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Originally posted by: Dari
You're all wrong. Obama is right and Palin is right. I mean, it's fucking common sense and McCain is just plain wrong. Hell, even Bush gets it and that's why he's attack the terrorists in Pakistan as we speak. I can only assume that the vast majority of Americans agree with this common sense idea. Even Israel gave up on asking it's neighbors a long time ago and just started incursions into their countries as it pleased.
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The problem is you just don't say this publicly as a president/president hopeful. If we want any help from Pakistan to drive these militant groups out, we have to respect their nationality. By not respecting their borders we are mocking that nationality. (By "we" I mean how people in the area around the Middle East perceive the US, and the president is the figurehead of this perception) If we are constantly mocking their nationality, we are not going to get the support of the Pakistani people and some of them may even start supporting these militant groups. Just look at the situation in Iraq. We are are having a really hard time stabilizing/developing the country with out the support of the people and local government. We can't just storm into a country, remove all of the "bad guys," and have everything turn out alright. You can't build a democratic nation without letting them be there own nation.

So if we are going to incur Pakistani borders and take out target X, it better be worth it as we will be trashing any semblance of an ally Pakistan might have had. Idle talk is not worth utterly trashing this relationship and that is were Obama is naive and McCain is right.

 
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Originally posted by: Chris27
Originally posted by: Dari
You're all wrong. Obama is right and Palin is right. I mean, it's fucking common sense and McCain is just plain wrong. Hell, even Bush gets it and that's why he's attack the terrorists in Pakistan as we speak. I can only assume that the vast majority of Americans agree with this common sense idea. Even Israel gave up on asking it's neighbors a long time ago and just started incursions into their countries as it pleased.
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The problem is you just don't say this publicly as a president/president hopeful. If we want any help from Pakistan to drive these militant groups out, we have to respect their nationality. By not respecting their borders we are mocking that nationality. (By "we" I mean how people in the area around the Middle East perceive the US, and the president is the figurehead of this perception) If we are constantly mocking their nationality, we are not going to get the support of the Pakistani people and some of them may even start supporting these militant groups. Just look at the situation in Iraq. We are are having a really hard time stabilizing/developing the country with out the support of the people and local government. We can't just storm into a country, remove all of the "bad guys," and have everything turn out alright. You can't build a democratic nation without letting them be there own nation.

So if we are going to incur Pakistani borders and take out target X, it better be worth it as we will be trashing any semblance of an ally Pakistan might have had. Idle talk is not worth utterly trashing this relationship and that is were Obama is naive and McCain is right.
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Obama's simple words

If there is a high profile AlQ target (throw in OBL's name) and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to do the job the US will go in and take him out.

Sounds rational to me.

 
retrospooty

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Obama's simple words

If there is a high profile AlQ target (throw in OBL's name) and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to do the job the US will go in and take him out.

Sounds rational to me.
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I agree...

When the 9/11 attacks first happened, Bush was clear on it.. he said that if your country was harboring terrorists, intentionally or not, you are either cooperating with us to get them, or you are the enemy as well. This is one of the few things I agreed with Bush on. Then when push came to shove with Pakistan, that all went out the window. Not sure why, but politics played its ugly hand in there somewhere.
 
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Originally posted by: Squisher
This CAN be kinda played both ways. McCain is for the principle of hot pursuit cross border incursions just not strikes without first getting permission of Pakistan.
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I read that NATO and US armed forces in Afghanistan stopped trusting Pakistan because they believed Pakistan's ISI was warning the targets before the raid which is why you are seeing more and more unilateral strikes now.
 
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McCain's position is that is should be a secret that we are crossing the border. Like it is now (wink, wink).

I like Obama's position better-he makes it clear we don't have a fight with Pakistan, but it the bad guys are there we are coming to get them. This makes the Pakistani's more likely to cooperate or at least get out of the way.
 
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holden j caufield

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there has to be something very underhanded happening for Mccain to have picked her. Seems if you wanted the worst pic for VP she would it. Did he have an affair with her, does she have some major pull in regards to drilling in Alaska? Something is very wrong here
 
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If a guy bombed a civilian airliner as a terrorist act and then fled to the US, would the nation whose airliner was bombed have the right to cross the border to get him?
 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
If a group of armed combatants were to use Texas as a staging ground to attack Mexico, then return to Texas and repeat the attacks ad infinitum, without any effective restraint on the aggressors, would Mexico be right to cross the border and attacking their camps?
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I think that would be a much better question. This is a chronic problem, not some random act by a few people.

 
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Topic Summary: Shouldn't they lock her up until after the elections?
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After which, the Alaskan courts can take care of doing it. :laugh:
 
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Genx87

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Obama/Biden/Palin vs McCain?

Sarah Palin told a customer at a Philadelphia restaurant on Saturday that the United States should ?absolutely? launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan in the event that it becomes necessary to ?stop the terrorists from coming any further in,? a comment similar to the one John McCain condemned Barack Obama for making during last night?s presidential debate.
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Seriously, doesn't she at least keep track of what McCain says? There must be someone more qualified than her...
:confused:
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You know how many times Biden has contradicted Obama? When the candidates campaign on their own they are bound to disagree with their counterpart of some issues.

No big deal imo.

There is another issue Palin and McCain disagree on and that is drilling ANWR. She is for it, he is against it.
 
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Dari

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Obama/Biden/Palin vs McCain?

Sarah Palin told a customer at a Philadelphia restaurant on Saturday that the United States should ?absolutely? launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan in the event that it becomes necessary to ?stop the terrorists from coming any further in,? a comment similar to the one John McCain condemned Barack Obama for making during last night?s presidential debate.
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Seriously, doesn't she at least keep track of what McCain says? There must be someone more qualified than her...
:confused:
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You know how many times Biden has contradicted Obama? When the candidates campaign on their own they are bound to disagree with their counterpart of some issues.

No big deal imo.

There is another issue Palin and McCain disagree on and that is drilling ANWR. She is for it, he is against it.
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But he's retracting her statements for her. It's almost as if he'd rather she been seen and not heard. Must be a trophy-wife thing...
 
evident

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how dare her go into the holy ground that is tony lukes!!!!! i was there only a few days ago.
 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
If a guy bombed a civilian airliner as a terrorist act and then fled to the US, would the nation whose airliner was bombed have the right to cross the border to get him?
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Doubtful that the US would look the other way, much less protect such a person. IMHO, our authorities would actually enjoy hunting such scum down!

 
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Harvey

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Originally posted by: Dari

McCain retracts Palin's statement...
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How does that work? Does McCain suck so much that he can inhale the words back out of the universe? :shocked: :laugh:
 
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