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Palestinians Say "Sharon Has Declared War on us"

S

Smolek

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Reuters


"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A senior Palestinian official said Friday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had declared a comprehensive war on Palestinians and appealed to the world to stop Israel's siege of Yasser Arafat's compound.

"The Israeli government, which practices state terrorism, has declared a comprehensive war and Sharon is intent on destroying the Palestinian Authority and the peace process," the Palestinians' chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, told Reuters.

He said Sharon was dragging the region into further bloodshed and said he had contacted Arab and international leaders, urging them to do whatever possible to stop the Israeli army's operation against Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah.

Sharon, in a televised news conference Friday, declared Arafat "an enemy" and said widespread action would be taken to isolate his Palestinian Authority wherever it was believed to be fostering a "terrorist infrastructure."

Sharon sent troops and tanks sweeping back into Ramallah, which was handed over to Palestinian self-rule under interim peace deals in the 1990s, after accusing Arafat of doing nothing to stop suicide bombings targeting Israelis. Palestinians rose up against Israel after talks on a final peace accord stalled.
 
Heh heh...tell them to ask their buddies in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc.

If Israel declares war on you, then you'll know about it 😉
 


<< JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A senior Palestinian official said Friday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had declared a comprehensive war on Palestinians >>

....then he left to hand out more explosives for use in suicide bombings.

Palestinians could stop the violence any time just by deciding to no longer shelter their terrorist element. Stop blowing up children and I'll have some sympathy, until then they deserve what they get.
 
Arafat's direct group admitted to being behind the bombing carried out by the 18 year-old girl this morning. That's the first time I remember him taking credit for a terrorist act for quite a while. While it's been obvious for quite a while, I think his true colors are starting to show.
 
This has spun out of control, the palestinians don't seem to realize that their best hope lies with peaceful protests
 
Ya know, having war declared on you tends to happen when you blatantly kill civilians during a ceasefire. Especially when you target civilians attending religious holiday events. What did they expect?
 
i don't see how Israel can win even when they kill Arafat and his buddies.
Think about it ...

in some cases a war can make an end to a certain situation but the Israel-Palestinian conflict can not be solved this way

kill Arafat and suicide attacks will continue ...
kill 10.000 radical Palestinians and suicide attacks will continue ...

you can not win a war when your enemy is your neighbor and is willing to strap 20 pounds of semtex around his/her waist and walk into a restaurant to blow everything up

The Israelies have the strongest army in the world and have massive US support and still they are unable to give the Israely people security.



the last 50 years have proven that this conflict can not be solved with violence ...........PERIOD

and to all the cheering warloving-flagwaving people on this forum thinking otherwise -- look at the facts or get a brain
 


<< i don't see how Israel can win even when they kill Arafat and his buddies.
Think about it ...

in some cases a war can make an end to a certain situation but the Israel-Palestinian conflict can not be solved this way

kill Arafat and suicide attacks will continue ...
kill 10.000 radical Palestinians and suicide attacks will continue ...

you can not win a war when your enemy is your neighbor and is willing to strap 20 pounds of semtex around his/her waist and walk into a restaurant to blow everything up

The Israelies have the strongest army in the world and have massive US support and still they are unable to give the Israely people security.



the last 50 years have proven that this conflict can not be solved with violence ...........PERIOD

and to all the cheering warloving-flagwaving people on this forum thinking otherwise -- look at the facts or get a brain >>



Israel has tried peace. They have tried not retaliating. What did it get them? More attacks. If it's facts you need to face, face this one: There will be NO peace so long as an Israeli state exists in the Middle East. The Arabs will not tollerate infidels in their "holy lands" and have made this abundantly clear from the very beginning with their vicious attack on the very day the State of Israel was formally announced.

Two things can happen to give Israel security.

A. The Arab can change their culture, the very same culture than brought on Bin Laden's attacks against the US because, you guessed it, we were infidels in the Middle East.

B. The Israelis can push the Palestinians outside it's boarders, close them tightly, and never look back.

There is no other solution that is going to resolve this. 50+ years of peace talks have failed, with the Arabs rejecting or breaking every reasonable agreement handed to them.

The only one here who needs a brain or facts is you.
 


<< The Israelis can push the Palestinians outside it's boarders, close them tightly, and never look back >>

 
How on earth can they close their border ? Besides, there's always arab sympathizers within Israel itself, or even arab-Israelis citizen which can be part of hamas.

Their best bet is peace. I say work on the Saudi's peace plan with peacekeeping force from more liberal moslem country like Malaysia & Indonesia, coupled with European contigent.

Arafat was once offered 90% of his demand by Barak & Clinton but the greedy old pig want it all. I guess he prefer getting surounded and blasted by Israelis's tanks than living in peace. He better not mess up again this time, that is if Israelis even want to do something remotely similar (unlikely with another war loving man in charge of Israel, a.k.a Sharon).
 


<< ....and to all the cheering warloving-flagwaving people on this forum thinking otherwise -- look at the facts or get a brain >>

Freegeek, this is for you:

What to do if you happen upon a peace rally of stupid, naive, college idiot, "REBEL'S WITHOUT A CLUE," to teach them why force is sometimes needed:

1) Approach one of the dumb, rich, ignorant students talking about "peace" and saying there should be "no retaliation."
2) Engage in brief conversation; ask if military force is appropriate.
3) When he says "No," ask, "why not?"
4) Wait until he says something like, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not respond to violence with more violence."
5) When he's in mid-sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
6) When he gets back up and starts to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not respond with more violence."
7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to react with violence.
8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
Repeat steps 5 through 8 until he understands that sometimes it's necessary to fight back. Or until the pathetic, stupid little puke starts to bleed to death. ....................................
 
Arafat's demands are only a ruse. Give him 90% or 100%. It will never work. He wants it all, is right. He wants there to be no more Israel. What he says to the outside world is meaningless. Besides, he's irrelevant anyway. Just a red herring.
 


<< 7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to react with violence.
8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
Repeat steps 5 through 8 until he understands that sometimes it's necessary to fight back. Or until the pathetic, stupid little puke starts to bleed to death. .................................... >>


Well said, sometimes violence is the only answer to violence, unless you're willing to accept enslavement or death.

Pacifism is a valid philosophy if you are willing to accept the consequences, but some people delude themselves that pacifism actually changes the world, despite 100,000 years of empirical evidence showing it just gets you ground under someone else's bootheel.
 
A. The Arab can change their culture, the very same culture than brought on Bin Laden's attacks against the US because, you guessed it, we were infidels in the Middle East.

so you are saying that all the Arabs in the middle east are just extremist muslim wackos ??? i don't think so

B. The Israelis can push the Palestinians outside it's boarders, close them tightly, and never look back.

seems an old NAZI technique to me, it's called deportation

There is no other solution that is going to resolve this. 50+ years of peace talks have failed, with the Arabs rejecting or breaking every reasonable agreement handed to them.

50 years of peace talks, you must be kidding -- in the last 50 years there was one thing, violence from BOTH sides and a couple of wars.
I don't like Arafat -- i even think that he is a very incompetent leader, but if you kill him, who are you going to talk to -- some wacko religious leader from Hamas.

Freegeek, this is for you:

What to do if you happen upon a peace rally of stupid, naive, college idiot, "REBEL'S WITHOUT A CLUE," to teach them why force is sometimes needed:
1) Approach one of the dumb, rich, ignorant students talking about "peace" and saying there should be "no retaliation."
2) Engage in brief conversation; ask if military force is appropriate.
3) When he says "No," ask, "why not?"
4) Wait until he says something like, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not respond to violence with more violence."
5) When he's in mid-sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
6) When he gets back up and starts to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not respond with more violence."
7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to react with violence.
8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
Repeat steps 5 through 8 until he understands that sometimes it's necessary to fight back. Or until the pathetic, stupid little puke starts to bleed to death.


BooneRebel

I eat little redneck punks like you every day for breakfast LOL
get an education -- you clearly need it


Your own administration is saying the same thing -- this is a conflict that can not be solved with tanks and automatic rifles.
They have lost control over Sharon (in my opinion a war criminal). Sharon could be responsible for the US losing the support from the moderate Arab nations.

 


<< I don't like Arafat -- i even think that he is a very incompetent leader, but if you kill him, who are you going to talk to -- some wacko religious leader from Hamas. >>


The sad part is that dealing with Arafat pretty much equates to dealing with a wacko Hamas leader. Arafat is a two-faced, snivelling coward that says one thing to appease the western world and another to incite the Arabs. The only true way to resolve this conflict is to stop the violence period, but peace will never be possible with Arafat representing the Palestinians. He has made no effort to stop the terrorists, and that's assuming he has any control of his own people to begin with. If he can't even control his own people, then there is no logical reason for him to be representing them anyways. He hasn't helped the situation one bit with his inaction and consistent lying.

I'm hoping one day that a Palestinian leader and an Israeli PM serious about peace will step up to the plate, then MAYBE something will happen, but I'm not betting on it. Arafat has brainwashed the Palestinian youth to the point of no return in my opinion. It will probably only get worst from here.
 
It's definitely personal between Sharon and Arafat. They've been old adversaries since the Israeli invasion into Beruit in 1982. Arafat managed to escape that time. These guys are in their 70's and this is probably the last chance to go at it before either one of them dies.
 
What I can't figure out is how/why the Isrealis let all those people (European sympathizers) in to come stay with him in his " isolation " and apparently with video or tv cameras too as I saw Arafat on TV. By letting them come in and giving him access to the media just gives him more power to incite more terror. At this point Arafat is thus not really isolated at all .
 
Well at least its some what of a good thing that those supposed peace activists were arrested when they were trying to leave the compound with people that didnt originally come in with them.
 


<<

<< A. The Arab can change their culture, the very same culture than brought on Bin Laden's attacks against the US because, you guessed it, we were infidels in the Middle East. >>



so you are saying that all the Arabs in the middle east are just extremist muslim wackos ??? i don't think so >>



No, I'm sure not all are. But enough are that terrorists can freely operate and disappear into the civilian Arab population with no fear of being turned in or ostracized.



<<

<< B. The Israelis can push the Palestinians outside it's boarders, close them tightly, and never look back. >>



seems an old NAZI technique to me, it's called deportation >>



The Nazis didn't actually deport people, they systematically killed them. The US deports criminals who are not US citizens every day. Your anology falls flat, and doesn't even resemble reality enough to be insulting.



<<

<< There is no other solution that is going to resolve this. 50+ years of peace talks have failed, with the Arabs rejecting or breaking every reasonable agreement handed to them. >>



50 years of peace talks, you must be kidding -- in the last 50 years there was one thing, violence from BOTH sides and a couple of wars.
I don't like Arafat -- i even think that he is a very incompetent leader, but if you kill him, who are you going to talk to -- some wacko religious leader from Hamas. >>



Hardly kidding. All the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel on the very day it was declared a country. They lost. Years of peace talks followed. They did it again in 56 and had their collective asses handed to them. Years of peace talks followed. They did it again in 67 and got whooped so bad they made the French look good. Years of peace talks followed. They started a terrorist campaign because they finally realized that they couldn't beat Israel in a conventional war. Years of talks followed. Israel has been trying peace for over 50 years. Anyone who denies this is simply ignorant of history.



<< Your own administration is saying the same thing -- this is a conflict that can not be solved with tanks and automatic rifles.
They have lost control over Sharon (in my opinion a war criminal). Sharon could be responsible for the US losing the support from the moderate Arab nations. >>



Fine. Meanwhile we are sending tanks and men with guns to fight terrorism ourselves. It's rather hypocritical to tell Israel that they cannot use the very tactics we are using.

The only goal for the surrounding Arab nations is, and always has been the complete annihilation of Israel. There will be no peace unless they succeed, or Israel takes complete control of it's country and territories and closes it's boarders. To deny this is to deny history, and reality.
 


<< A. The Arab can change their culture, the very same culture than brought on Bin Laden's attacks against the US because, you guessed it, we were infidels in the Middle East.

so you are saying that all the Arabs in the middle east are just extremist muslim wackos ??? i don't think so

B. The Israelis can push the Palestinians outside it's boarders, close them tightly, and never look back.

seems an old NAZI technique to me, it's called deportation >>



The difference is, The Nazi's were deporting and murdering those that did nothing to harm them. The Israelis would be deporting those that are trying to bring them down through murder.



<< our own administration is saying the same thing -- this is a conflict that can not be solved with tanks and automatic rifles. >>



So what would u have the Israelis do? sit on their hands and just take it?



<< Sharon (in my opinion a war criminal). >>



Is that what your extensive research revealed? or are you just spewing stuff that you've heard and that you have no idea about......
 
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