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Palestinians celebrated 9/11 attacks - Really???

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Originally posted by: Sultan
An interesting piece with video that I read...
and no, this is NOT a republican or a democrat website

Wikipedia

Any comments?
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They celebrated. But I do not blame them, I blame Arafat. He took all of the money the US and other contries sent the Palastinian people, and turned down every sane compromise for a Palastinina state. He told the people it was the fault of the US and Isreal that they were poor and oppressed, when all along it was him. Arafat was a ruthless dictator only concerned about his own power. Rot in hell.
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Well Sultan, the article IS BIASED. What does the supposed Israeli celebration in NYC (which is great in fueling all the parniod schizophrenia in the Arab world that the Jews did it) have to do with whether or not Palestinians celebrated in Sept 11th? Why did they feel the need to throw that commentary in the end when it had nothing to do with peoples reactions in the middle east?
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The article contains information regarding the title of the thread. The article itself is titled: "Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks". It mentions ALL celebrations. I chose to reference it based on it containing information refuting the title of the thread.

To call it biased shows your own biased opinion.
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
Topic Title: Palestinians celebrated 9/11 attacks - Really???
Topic Summary: another false charge maybe refuted?
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For sake of argument, let's say your premise is correct. It still amounts to quibbling over minor details while not disputing the main assertion, much like arguing that the movie "Titanic" showed the deck chairs being the wrong color and implying that means the boat really didn't sink. Whether or not the events you dispute happened exactly as they did or not still doesn't disprove that acts such as this are not atypical of a culture in which exalts those who would commit such acts as martyrs, wishes for the destruction of Israel and death of Jews and all other infidels, and have intentionally socially and intellectually stunted themselves for the last 1400 years.
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I'll label this post as you doing another Trente. The OP did not have ANY mention of the Israel/Palestine conflict, but you choose to just push it in, in any way possible. Thank you.
 
Isn't this old news?
At least some of the footage shown from the West Bank (the celebrating woman) was indeed false and that is hardly news. Dagens Nyheter (a Swedish newspaper mentioned in the link) admitted a long time ago that the scene was staged, as far as I remember they had bought the story from a an independant news-agency.

This was all over the news in Sweden and was very embarrasing for Dagens Nyheter (which is a "serious" newspaper, not a tabloid).
 
I found an interesting link:
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This document (written is swedish) was published by the Swedish Crisis Managment Agency and the title is "True of False?", the story about the dancing woman is one of their examples. On page 40 you can find a page from Dagens Nyheter published 9/26 2001.

 
It really doesn't matter whether *some* celebrated or not. I'm sure if you went to certain neighbourhoods in the US or anywhere eles for that matter you might find some people anti-american enough to do so.

What was wrong was that the media (CNN) projected the idea that *all* Palestinians were jumping for joy.

Given that they are under occupation by the US's staunchest ally, who has provided the weaponry that is used to oppress them, it should be expected that some of them would have been happy.

 
Originally posted by: Trente
It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.
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lol the man who was with all the citizens of Israel on 9/11 to view their reactions. You have plenty of eyes.
 
I actually recall CNN and at least two other major networks showing that footage of Palestinians celebrating. I forget the exact words used but I recall the CNN one painted the picture that the "Palestinians" were celebrating and not that some people did.

I'm pretty neutral to the Palestinians and their cause for logical reasons but at that point I was really pissed. Then again I was pissed that whole day and all I heard about for about half that day was about people celebrating all over the place including a very few people in the US.

I had the urge to kill and maim. heh

Made me sick later to find out that several footages used were fakes, but what do you expect when a media that I, at that time, respected and thougt to be truthful and objective flaunted this. I think it's shameful what the big media did and I have long since came to my senses regarding media and its association with business and government.

I also recall the time when someone in government pulled some kind of sh!t and dumped about 50,000 cops on New York, many with assault gear and orders leaked that they were to harass independent news media but cuddle big media.

About 300,000+ marched in protest. I saw some pictures and it looked maybe twice that. I honestly couldn't tell you what for exactly because I never found a reliable news source that covered it.

CNN reported a few thousand people marching in protest and nothing about police presence or treatment of other media. heh

Big media = find objectivity in dictionary and cross it out

It's no longer information they deal in but infotainment and even that is BS.
 
Originally posted by: replicator
It really doesn't matter whether *some* celebrated or not. I'm sure if you went to certain neighbourhoods in the US or anywhere eles for that matter you might find some people anti-american enough to do so.

What was wrong was that the media (CNN) projected the idea that *all* Palestinians were jumping for joy.

Given that they are under occupation by the US's staunchest ally, who has provided the weaponry that is used to oppress them, it should be expected that some of them would have been happy.
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Very good viewpoint. *Some* people in the United States STILL think the War in Iraq was about WMD and Al-Qaeda, but that does not mean "ALL* Americans are that stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: replicator
It really doesn't matter whether *some* celebrated or not. I'm sure if you went to certain neighbourhoods in the US or anywhere eles for that matter you might find some people anti-american enough to do so.

What was wrong was that the media (CNN) projected the idea that *all* Palestinians were jumping for joy.

Given that they are under occupation by the US's staunchest ally, who has provided the weaponry that is used to oppress them, it should be expected that some of them would have been happy.
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Very good viewpoint. *Some* people in the United States STILL think the War in Iraq was about WMD and Al-Qaeda, but that does not mean "ALL* Americans are that stupid.
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Tell us Sultan, how did YOU celebrate the event?
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: replicator
It really doesn't matter whether *some* celebrated or not. I'm sure if you went to certain neighbourhoods in the US or anywhere eles for that matter you might find some people anti-american enough to do so.

What was wrong was that the media (CNN) projected the idea that *all* Palestinians were jumping for joy.

Given that they are under occupation by the US's staunchest ally, who has provided the weaponry that is used to oppress them, it should be expected that some of them would have been happy.
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Very good viewpoint. *Some* people in the United States STILL think the War in Iraq was about WMD and Al-Qaeda, but that does not mean "ALL* Americans are that stupid.
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Tell us Sultan, how did YOU celebrate the event?
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I suspect I know.

I have rarely encountered someone who is willing to persist in such absurd opinions even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

He has also proven he will sink to any low in defending an indefensible comment.
 
Well, in his defense, he is a better uniter than Bushie boy will ever be.

We all agree on this issue, republican or liberal, American, Arab, Asian or European, Christian, Jewish or Muslim, we all agree, he is fvcked in the head so badly it is just sad.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: replicator
It really doesn't matter whether *some* celebrated or not. I'm sure if you went to certain neighbourhoods in the US or anywhere eles for that matter you might find some people anti-american enough to do so.

What was wrong was that the media (CNN) projected the idea that *all* Palestinians were jumping for joy.

Given that they are under occupation by the US's staunchest ally, who has provided the weaponry that is used to oppress them, it should be expected that some of them would have been happy.
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Very good viewpoint. *Some* people in the United States STILL think the War in Iraq was about WMD and Al-Qaeda, but that does not mean "ALL* Americans are that stupid.
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Tell us Sultan, how did YOU celebrate the event?
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I suspect I know.

I have rarely encountered someone who is willing to persist in such absurd opinions even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

He has also proven he will sink to any low in defending an indefensible comment.
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Yup...I have never seen anyone use such faulty logic and statements in defending such a ridiculous position.
 
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It shouldn't really be used as evidence for anything.

IIRC, there is a Ford van in one of the scenes of Palestinians celebrating that immediately proves the video could not have been shot in 1991 since the van wasn't introduced until ~1995.
 
This woman said she was offered a piece of cake for celebrating in front of the camera. While this picture shows someone handing her the cake, the version which was widely distributed did not. (Fair use of AP photo)
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LOL. This person should have been offered something non-caloric for her celebrating performance.
 
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It shouldn't really be used as evidence for anything.

IIRC, there is a Ford van in one of the scenes of Palestinians celebrating that immediately proves the video could not have been shot in 1991 since the van wasn't introduced until ~1995.
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Got a link to a video?

Or does anyone have a link to a video for that matter?

Also, can anyone who knows the Muslim world tell me if Al Ahram is blatantly pro-US or not? (Link to their home page)
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It shouldn't really be used as evidence for anything.

IIRC, there is a Ford van in one of the scenes of Palestinians celebrating that immediately proves the video could not have been shot in 1991 since the van wasn't introduced until ~1995.
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Got a link to a video?

Or does anyone have a link to a video for that matter?

Also, can anyone who knows the Muslim world tell me if Al Ahram is blatantly pro-US or not? (Link to their home page)
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Looks pro-Palestinian.
Only the U.S is going to be pro-U.S. The rest of the world's media is anti-BUSH anti-war, etc.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. It shouldn't really be used as evidence for anything.

IIRC, there is a Ford van in one of the scenes of Palestinians celebrating that immediately proves the video could not have been shot in 1991 since the van wasn't introduced until ~1995.
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Got a link to a video?

Or does anyone have a link to a video for that matter?

Also, can anyone who knows the Muslim world tell me if Al Ahram is blatantly pro-US or not? (Link to their home page)
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Looks pro-Palestinian.
Only the U.S is going to be pro-U.S. The rest of the world's media is anti-BUSH anti-war, etc.
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Ok, that's what I thought.

I only ask because even their Jerusalem correspondent says some celebrated it, albeit in an article that is much more focused on the vast majority of Palestinians who did not:
A minority -- those who danced in the streets of refugee camps in Nablus and Lebanon and the few dozen who handed out sweets near the supermarket -- appeared to lose hold on reality altogether
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