Palestinians celebrated 9/11 attacks - Really???

[Sultan]

An interesting piece with video that I read...
and no, this is NOT a republican or a democrat website

Wikipedia

Any comments?

 

[AFB]

Before other people ask, any proof?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Before other people ask, any proof?

did you not read the article from the link???

 

[Trente]

It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

 

[Trente]

DP.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Trente
It os clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, I have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

Those videos of palestinians celebrating 9/11 were shot in 1991.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Trente
It os clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, I have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

One of the most biased posts I have read in P&N. I know you are a Jew, but learn to discern the truth from falsehood. Please read the above piece. It has refuted your ridiculous claim about Palestinians celebrating.

To call Wikipedia pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli is a most laughable statement. Thank you for double posting. Keep festering your hatred.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: Trente
It os clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, I have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

Those videos of palestinians celebrating 9/11 were shot in 1991.

Are you telling me that every major news report station broadcasted that without checking crediblity first?

Give me a break!

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: Trente
It os clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, I have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

Those videos of palestinians celebrating 9/11 were shot in 1991.

Are you telling me that every major news report station broadcasted that without checking crediblity first?

Give me a break!

Break the chains of hatred you're bound in. From the above piece:

There were reports of celebrations on the West Bank, and at the time there was an urban legend that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was faked, and that it was actually footage from the invasion of Kuwait. This was proven false shortly afterwards [1] , and the media widely circulated that fact.

However, the US media did not widely circulate European media reports (by the renowned German weeklies Der Spiegel and Stern, by the German public TV magazine Panorama and by the Swedish Dagens Nyheter) that while the footage was indeed correctly dated, reporters had at least in part staged the scene. One woman was quoted saying that she was offered a piece of pie for whooping it up in front of the camera. It is unclear whether it was explained to the woman what she was supposedly celebrating. [2] The Panorama TV report which analyzed the full video footage noted (translated):

A closer look at the complete film material which was not broadcast shows that the street around the celebration is quiet. Only in front of the camera there are a few excited children. The woman, who is remembered for her cheering, shortly afterwards moves along quietly. A man in a white T-shirt is conspicuous. He incites the children, and keeps fetching new people. The woman who just left the picture says today that she was offered cake if she celebrates on camera, and that she was appalled when she saw the pictures on television. [3]

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Trente
It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

HEY BUDDY

The videos you saw right after it happened were not even current videos and I have seen the proof for that somewhere but just don't have the time to find it right now.

Anyhow.. George Bush took a huge CRAP on all the folks who held candlelight vigils around the world for the victims of 9/11 -

 

[Sultan]

Some people have too much hatred - their mindset cannot be changed. Hopefully others will look through the misinformation, read this article and form a different opinion.

 

[ajf3]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Trente
It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

HEY BUDDY

The videos you saw right after it happened were not even current videos and I have seen the proof for that somewhere but just don't have the time to find it right now.

Anyhow.. George Bush took a huge CRAP on all the folks who held candlelight vigils around the world for the victims of 9/11 -

There were reports of celebrations on the West Bank, and at the time there was an urban legend that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was faked, and that it was actually footage from the invasion of Kuwait. This was proven false shortly afterwards [1] , and the media widely circulated that fact.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Trente
It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

HEY BUDDY

The videos you saw right after it happened were not even current videos and I have seen the proof for that somewhere but just don't have the time to find it right now.

Anyhow.. George Bush took a huge CRAP on all the folks who held candlelight vigils around the world for the victims of 9/11 -

There were reports of celebrations on the West Bank, and at the time there was an urban legend that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was faked, and that it was actually footage from the invasion of Kuwait. This was proven false shortly afterwards [1] , and the media widely circulated that fact.

If it was true how can you blame them for feeling that way?
For some reason we give Israel billions every year in financial aid.. what do we give to the people of palestine?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If it was true how can you blame them for feeling that way?
For some reason we give Israel billions every year in financial aid.. what do we give to the people of palestine?

Please dont turn this thread into an Israel/Palestine politcal debate. That is my request. The link above clearly indicates:

However, the US media did not widely circulate European media reports (by the renowned German weeklies Der Spiegel and Stern, by the German public TV magazine Panorama and by the Swedish Dagens Nyheter) that while the footage was indeed correctly dated, reporters had at least in part staged the scene. One woman was quoted saying that she was offered a piece of pie for whooping it up in front of the camera. It is unclear whether it was explained to the woman what she was supposedly celebrating. [2] The Panorama TV report which analyzed the full video footage noted (translated):

A closer look at the complete film material which was not broadcast shows that the street around the celebration is quiet. Only in front of the camera there are a few excited children. The woman, who is remembered for her cheering, shortly afterwards moves along quietly. A man in a white T-shirt is conspicuous. He incites the children, and keeps fetching new people. The woman who just left the picture says today that she was offered cake if she celebrates on camera, and that she was appalled when she saw the pictures on television. [3]

 

[maddogchen]

Several reporters in the Palestinian areas reported seeing celebrations. Did they all try to stage the scenes?

Certainly CNN wasn't the only news organization to report on the reaction of some Palestinians to the events of September 11, as other outlets such as Reuters and the Los Angeles Times carried the same story. Also, other news outlets such as and The Jerusalem Post reported that journalists were threatened for capturing images of Palestinian celebrations, making real footage of the event harder to obtain:

Palestinian Authority actions to confiscate film footage of Palestinians celebrating the terror attacks on the US were logical to prevent the media from painting the wrong picture of Palestinian sentiment, Bassam Abu Sharif, an adviser to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat.

"This was a normal preventive act . . . we don't want to give more to the Zionist propaganda which portrays all Palestinians as terrorists," he said. "The idea is that these people were not allowed to film, because a small group of people on film would represent the Palestinian people as a whole."

Snopes

and from your own article the next paragraph down from your quote about staging the scene, another newspaper another place:

On the day of the attacks, Times Newspapers LTD. (British) claimed that 3,000 celebrants were pouring into the streets of Nablus and dozens of people were celebrating in Arab East Jerusalem.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Medical students I know were present when muslim students cheered the bombings in the US.

 

[dahunan]

I guess they are no different than the people here in America who support the war in Iraq.. are they?

I am fairly certain that we have killed twice as many innocents in Iraq as died that day in NY.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Medical students I know were present when muslim students cheered the bombings in the US.

Should I be mad at the people who cheered when it was announced that X (I forget) amount of civilians in Iraq were killed? Human life is human life, you shouldn't cheer no matter who is dying.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I guess they are no different than the people here in America who support the war in Iraq.. are they?

I am fairly certain that we have killed twice as many innocents in Iraq as died that day in NY.

shouldn't you be searching for the "proof" that you saw about the videos weren't of Palestinians celebrating 9/11? Or are you gonna hit and run with that?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: dahunan
I guess they are no different than the people here in America who support the war in Iraq.. are they?

I am fairly certain that we have killed twice as many innocents in Iraq as died that day in NY.

shouldn't you be searching for the "proof" that you saw about the videos weren't of Palestinians celebrating 9/11? Or are you gonna hit and run with that?

I already stated up above that I cannot blame them if they were.. and others are already taking care of proving it was false.


What is the difference between them and the 60 million or so who voted for Bush and his War?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: dahunan
I guess they are no different than the people here in America who support the war in Iraq.. are they?

I am fairly certain that we have killed twice as many innocents in Iraq as died that day in NY.

shouldn't you be searching for the "proof" that you saw about the videos weren't of Palestinians celebrating 9/11? Or are you gonna hit and run with that?

I already stated up above that I cannot blame them if they were.. and others are already taking care of proving it was false.


What is the difference between them and the 60 million or so who voted for Bush and his War?

how do we know all of the 60 million or so who voted for Bush are celebrating for each Iraqi death? I know of some people who didn't approve of the war yet still voted for Bush.

 

[Bumrush99]

Well Sultan, the article IS BIASED. What does the supposed Israeli celebration in NYC (which is great in fueling all the parniod schizophrenia in the Arab world that the Jews did it) have to do with whether or not Palestinians celebrated in Sept 11th? Why did they feel the need to throw that commentary in the end when it had nothing to do with peoples reactions in the middle east?

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Trente
It is clear that no Israeli celebrated those attacks and I can assure you that. as for the Palestinians, well, we have seen the videos at the time, no doubt about that.

Yet again, we are dealing with a pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli article there, that is far from the truth. That's like trying to present Stalin as an overall good leader to his people and the world: you may try doing that, but to no avail.

HEY BUDDY

The videos you saw right after it happened were not even current videos and I have seen the proof for that somewhere but just don't have the time to find it right now.

Anyhow.. George Bush took a huge CRAP on all the folks who held candlelight vigils around the world for the victims of 9/11 -

There were reports of celebrations on the West Bank, and at the time there was an urban legend that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was faked, and that it was actually footage from the invasion of Kuwait. This was proven false shortly afterwards [1] , and the media widely circulated that fact.

If it was true how can you blame them for feeling that way?
For some reason we give Israel billions every year in financial aid.. what do we give to the people of palestine?

If it was the other way around, Israelis wouldn't be celecrating this on the streets. the Palestinians are primitive: the burn flags, marching with rifles shooting in the air, screaming and acting like street gangs.

You have never and never will withness a flag of ANY nation burned in Israeli streets.
You will never see Israelis marching in their towns celebrating anyone's death - hell, even when Arafat died, no one was out on the streets celebrating his death, except for some settlers who are a minority.

Do you know what I read today? an Israeli soldier was cought expressing the fact that he was contend that Arafat passed away, and so his commandor decided to throw him away of his fighting unit.

Today, it was decided that Israel's secret operations will be prevented from using force when intergiating Palestinian terrorists.

It was also reported that Israel was giving PA millions of dollars to rebuild itself, while Arafat, its former leader took that money and instead of giving it to his poor people, transfered it to bank acocunts world-wide, for use of his wife and daughter in paris.

Rockets were fired at Israeli northern territory. list one nation that would accept that over so many years, yet Israel didn't retaliate even though those rockets were fired from Lebanon which is responsible to make sure no hostile organizations would operate from its territory.

In Iraq more than 1000 (!!!) were killed in a matter of days. not all were militants. but when Israel targets a cowered militant that hides among innocent people, and it is taking all measures possible to assure that the action would inflict the least loss of life - no one gives a damn about it - they keep blaming Israel for that. Israel is using ground troops to do that when a great amount of innocent Palestinians are involved, yet the US allows itself to bomb the hell out of Iraq from the air - why is there no protest against that?

In 1948, 1956, 1967, 1982, 1991 and now - Israel is under constant threats aimed at her from any direction given. even in the inside, Israeli arabs - who are enjoying western way of life thanks to Israel - are undermining it. a Palestinian state would have never achieved even 10% of what Israel achieved.

The Palestinians never got to express their problems under Arab control - on the contarary - they were greatly opressed by various nations who wanted to get rid of them. they are now taking advantage of the defenceless Israeli democracy and its values to get what they want. It was because of that fact that Egypt, Jordan and Syria seeked the destruction of Israel, that Israel went for the six-day-war in 1967. I can only imagine the Palestinians under Jordan control to this day - I bet they would have been so opressed and their call for independence would never grab the world's attention, mainly because unbiased reporters would never be allowed to enter their towns and cities.

Israel has nukes because they keep other nations from trying to completely destroy it. Even with the uber Israeli army - as someone here once stated - Israel needs those nukes for the worst case scenario. Iran knows that Israel would never use nukes to destroy countries around it just because it feels like it. Israel has been capable of doing this for the last 40 years or so, but never did that, as it only wants to be left alone and could care less about the coutries around it. that is what the Israelis really want - to be fvcing left alone!

But yet, after all, Israel is being the rouge here and Palestinians along with the Arabs are victims... :roll:

 

[glenn1]

Topic Title: Palestinians celebrated 9/11 attacks - Really???
Topic Summary: another false charge maybe refuted?

For sake of argument, let's say your premise is correct. It still amounts to quibbling over minor details while not disputing the main assertion, much like arguing that the movie "Titanic" showed the deck chairs being the wrong color and implying that means the boat really didn't sink. Whether or not the events you dispute happened exactly as they did or not still doesn't disprove that acts such as this are not atypical of a culture in which exalts those who would commit such acts as martyrs, wishes for the destruction of Israel and death of Jews and all other infidels, and have intentionally socially and intellectually stunted themselves for the last 1400 years.

 

[Valvoline6]

Originally posted by: Sultan
An interesting piece with video that I read...
and no, this is NOT a republican or a democrat website

Wikipedia

Any comments?