Palestinians are barbaric |:-(

[MSNY]

<< Actually Islam is a peaceful religion >>



Not so ! This will end up with us vs. them, WWIII. We better support Israel bigtime or else 9/11 will look like a picnic. Bin laden and his gang already claim to have dtrty nukes. All there suicide murders are in the name of there religion. The other Arab nations could join in the military struggle anytime. If you detest what happened in Jenin think of all Israel looking like this if Hamas had it's way. After all if someone told you would be in heaven with 72 virgins and beleived it maybe you would be a bomber to ?
DAH...These people are plain nuts and looney tunes. They beleive this lie the same way Hitler lieed to the German people in the 30's and 40's. Look what happened to the Jews then and no one tried to stop it.

Why are the so called conservative/moderates of Islam not taking a hard stand then with us against the extremists and speaking out ??? I thinks it's because they agree with them and are being bankrolled by rich Saudis. Money talks even more then zealots who will die for Allah. They can't speak up because they would be killed or lose power.

I think it will be Islam vs. West someday and we BETTER be prepared !

 

[Mani]

<< LOL!! Are you saying that Israel made that up? We already know about the 13 soldiers led into one of the booby traps. >>


Ah, I see now. If Israel releases a statement it's gospel truth but anything released by a pro-palestinian source is complete BS. Do you honestly expect Israel not to cover its ass in the face of what appears to be a humanitarian disaster?

 

[Texmaster]

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<< LOL!! Are you saying that Israel made that up? We already know about the 13 soldiers led into one of the booby traps. >>


Ah, I see now. If Israel releases a statement it's gospel truth but anything released by a pro-palestinian source is complete BS. Do you honestly expect Israel not to cover its ass in the face of what appears to be a humanitarian disaster? >>




You want a link? How about from the terrorist's own mouths.

Link

The decision to take the crowded refugee camp ? with its narrow streets and alleyways ? block by block did prove costly to the Israeli forces. In the worst single incident, Palestinian gunmen ambushed an Israeli unit on April 9 and killed 13 reservists and troops sent to rescue them.


Now, show us all your evidence that the Israelis SPECIFICALLY targets civilians.

Back up your BS.


BTW, you can apologize at any time

 

[Cyberian]

<< LOL And your evidence that these were intentional? >>

How does one 'unintentionally' blow up 45 houses?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Palestinians are barbaric |:-(

Generalizations are barbaric, that's where all these problems come from to begin with. Anyone brought up in the same enviroment, placed in the same situation, would be doing the exact same thing. This is a human problem.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< LOL And your evidence that these were intentional? >>

How does one 'unintentionally' blow up 45 houses? >>



Oh I dont doubt the distruction of booby trapped houses was intentional.

 

[Mani]

WTF? I'm referring to the article Harvey referred to where Sharon and his goons apparently blew up 45 houses, etc. Specifically this part: "As Israeli historian Avi Shlaim describes the massacre, "Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses."

NOT the Jenin ordeal. I can't believe you took issue with my point and didn't even check up to see what the hell I was responding to.

 

[Texmaster]

<< WTF? I'm referring to the article Harvey referred to where Sharon and his goons apparently blew up 45 houses, etc. Specifically this part: "As Israeli historian Avi Shlaim describes the massacre, "Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses."

NOT the Jenin ordeal. I can't believe you took issue with my point and didn't even check up to see what the hell I was responding to. >>



Then dont quote my statement about the 13 that were led into a trap. What part of that is so hard to underatand?

Oh I see. So you base your belief on one man's testimony. LOL Its a good thing the rest of the world doesn't

And that article I gave you not only addressed the bobby trapped homes but the account of one of the terrorists saying he did NOT see large numbers killed.

Of course you looked right over that didn't you?

and what article are you referring to? I just looked at every post you made in thise thread and you quote no article.

EDIT. Ah I see now. Try reading Jimbo's response, he tracked down the Source of the article

 

[MSNY]

<< How does one 'unintentionally' blow up 45 houses? >>



Well if a robber is planning to rob, plunder and kill you, and you gain knowledge of it in advance, would you not defend yourself and 'unintentionally' blow up his house first ? It's not your purpose to destroy him but if your provoked everyone has a right to defend his home/land.

The problem here is that the Palistinians 'intentionally' would destory all of Israel and even the US if they could.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< The decision to take the crowded refugee camp ? with its narrow streets and alleyways ? block by block did prove costly to the Israeli forces. In the worst single incident, Palestinian gunmen ambushed an Israeli unit on April 9 and killed 13 reservists and troops sent to rescue them. >>

Kind of like Viet Nam. You couldn't tell who were the combatants and who were the innocent civilians.

Israel might have killed and captured some of those who were the PA Combatants what makes you think that there will not be 3 new PA fighters to replace every one taken out? Out of those three, two probably wouldn't have taken up arms against Israel until this last Military action by Israel. Violence perpetuates violence. Yet what is Israel to do, let them keep killing innocent Israeli Civilians? Well they could close down the settlements and withdraw from occupied territory, let the UN set up a buffer zone but then that would be caving in to the Terrorists. Never mind that it might save hundreds of lives on both sides (then it might not, who knows?).

BTW, weren't the VC in South Vietnam Terrorists themselves? Oh yeah we called them guerillas instead.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< The decision to take the crowded refugee camp ? with its narrow streets and alleyways ? block by block did prove costly to the Israeli forces. In the worst single incident, Palestinian gunmen ambushed an Israeli unit on April 9 and killed 13 reservists and troops sent to rescue them. >>

Kind of like Viet Nam. You couldn't tell who were the combatants and who were the innocent civilians.

Israel might have killed and captured some of those who were the PA Combatants what makes you think that there will not be 3 new PA fighters to replace every one taken out? Out of those three, two probably wouldn't have taken up arms against Israel until this last Military action by Israel. Violence perpetuates violence. Yet what is Israel to do, let them keep killing innocent Israeli Civilians? Well they could close down the settlements and withdraw from occupied territory, let the UN set up a buffer zone but then that would be caving in to the Terrorists. Never mind that it might save hundreds of lives on both sides (then it might not, who knows?).

BTW, weren't the VC in South Vietnam Terrorists themselves? Oh yeah we called them guerillas instead. >>



Its a very good coorelation Dawn. There are quite a few simularities between Palestine and Vietnam.

And you might be right about the UN too

 

[Spagina]

<< Geez, what the hell is up with some of you guys. You hear of a few muslims blowing things up and you immediately assume they are all like that. How would you feel if all americans were judged by the people behing bars. My point is you know close to nothing about them yet you insist on judging them as a whole. >>


Sad fact is, a lot of the world does just that when they judge Americans. All I hear is the stereotypical Americans are white, fat, lazy, arrogant, ignorant, blah, blah, blah, blah. Although it doesn't connect with Americans being behind bars, but my point is, we aren't the only ones in the world to come to stupid conclusions based on a small sample group. Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Canada, Middle East, basically every human being is guilty of it.

 

[Mani]

<< Then dont quote my statement about the 13 that were led into a trap. What part of that is so hard to underatand? >>


omg...

I quoted that as I took the gigantic leap of faith that you might have been on the same page as I was, and were claiming that the booby trapping explained why those houses were blown up by Sharon and his buddies. Thus I why I put the burden of proof on you.



<< Oh I see. So you base your belief on one man's testimony. LOL Its a good thing the rest of the world doesn't >>


That one man's testimony happens to be an ISRAELI historian. I don't know about you, but when I see an Israeli exposing Israeli war crimes, it doesn't quite strike me as a bullshlt claim.



<< And that article not only addressed the bobby trapped homes but the account of one of the terrorists saying he did NOT see large numbers killed.

Of course you looked right over that didn't you? >>


I didn't address it because that wasn't a point I was refuting for chrissakes. I took issue with what appeared to be your claim that the homes Sharon blew up were booby-trapped.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< And you might be right about the UN too >>

And I might be 100% wreong. We won't know until we (they) try it. What they are doing right now isn't working,to continue on the same course obviously isn't going to to anybody the results they want (exce0pt fopr Bin Laden and Saddam) Speaking of which, do you really think those 2 bastards want peace in the Holy Land? They are happy that Palestinians (and Israeli's)are dying because it suits their purpose to a tee. If peace broke out they would be out of a job . Like it matters, we are going to fire (fire up) their asses anyway.

Even if the Palestinians and Israeli's were to broker a deal there will still be some like the aforemented swine who would continue to kill. The difference is that the killing will be impossible to justify unless you are a Religious Loon. BTW, I'm not saying any of the killing is justified.

 

[ToBeMe]

What about the fact that a LOT of countries, include Arab ones will say "unofficially" of course, that they do believe that Palestine & Arafat's sole objective is to obliterate Israel???? I heard this often while I was "Not so happily" there in the early 90's................almost to the point you would belive it to be the way most Arabs think..................

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Sad fact is, a lot of the world does just that when they judge Americans. All I hear is the stereotypical Americans are white, fat, lazy, arrogant, ignorant, blah, blah, blah, blah >>

Uhh.. I was downtown today and from what I observed more than a few Americans can stand to lose a pound or ten.)

 

[Red Dawn]

<< , that they do believe that Palestinines sole objective is to obliterate Israel???? >>

They might say it but I doubt that they actually believe they can acomplish it. Sure a few Dickwads believe it but every society has those Dickwads.

 

[gar598]

why do people fail to see that Jenin was NO Time Square before the incursion occured.......Arafat has recieved BILLIONS of dollars to help better his people but he has through history embezzeled the money for his profit and for the sake of terror..........

 

[incallisto]

More Arabs attacking Jews.. This time in Germany? - Ha'aretz Link

Washington Times.

This makes about the sixth time I've heard of Arabs or Pro-Palestinians expressing their terrorist beliefs against Jews around the world.

 

[etech]

Berlin police officials denied a report on Army Radio Tuesday that it had issued recommendations to the city's Jewish community not to wear distinctive Jewish garments for fear they may be the targets of attacks by Muslim youths. According to the report, police specifically advised against the wearing of skullcaps and the Star of David.

Does anyone else find that so sadly ironic that in the country that forced the Jews to wear a yellow Star of David to identify them so they could be rounded up that they are now being asked to not wear distintive identification.

 

[incallisto]

<< Berlin police officials denied a report on Army Radio Tuesday that it had issued recommendations to the city's Jewish community not to wear distinctive Jewish garments for fear they may be the targets of attacks by Muslim youths. According to the report, police specifically advised against the wearing of skullcaps and the Star of David.

Does anyone else find that so sadly ironic that in the country that forced the Jews to wear a yellow Star of David to identify them so they could be rounded up that they are now being asked to not wear distintive identification. >>



Yes, I find it quite ironic. I also admire Rabbi Yehuda Teichler for standing up and saying he will not hide the fact that he is Jewish.

Edit: Another interesting article for everyone: the Palestinian Security chief, Jabril Rajoub basically said that any chances for peace 'is over'. - Washington Times

 

[alrocky]

quote by zoiks:


<< Aren't you tired of these Papers claiming Massacre when there isn't a SHRED of evidence to back it up? >>

really then you probably are very ignorant. Jenin Massacre Evidence growing

Gad, zoiks, that article doesn't support your point of view. The article heading itself is tabloid and the accompanying text does little to confirm or justify either the heading or validate your misplaced perception of who is "very ignorant."

What side did Arafat take in the Gulf War? The losing side.
Who was dancing in the streets Sep 11, 2001? Palestinians.

 

[HombrePequeno]

<< Palestinians are barbaric |:-( >>



Let's see if I can make a gross generalization too....Jews start all the wars.

Generalizations don't get anybody anywhere. Don't judge the many for the actions of a few.

 

[dexvx]

Not for any kind of justification, but there is a simple saying:

The best defense is a good offense.

It does appear to be widely practiced by all sorts of people, regardless of race and religion, especially if you cant tell the difference between friend and foe. What irks me is that you guys seem to condemn one group and yet promote another group that is basically doing the same action. What you people define as innocent civilians, terrorist groups define as millitants [they are militants because they pay taxes to a government, which in turn is directly supporting that government], a crude but logical point of view from their side. On the other hand, since Isreal has no definitive way of telling the difference between militant Palestinians and moderate palestinians, the only thing they can do is do what the terrorists do: basically classifying every arab as a terrorist in a targetted military hotzone (something the US has done in Vietnam multiple times). What that usually does is have any opposite effect, families/friends of killed moderates jump to become radicals which blow up more people which end up with more retaliation which gives in to an interesting cycle.

This is just my analysis of the current situation in Isreal, which i don't believe will be solved peacefully anytime soon. This has gone way too far for both sides to back down. Both sides are dominated by hard-liners who gather support by military success against the other side.

Technically, if you trace history back to anti-Semitism in WWII, it kind of is Nazi Germany's fault for this situation. If hitler wasn't bent on exterminating the Jews in WWII, jews would not have gotten the sympathy and support of the International community to form their own country in the Middle East at the Arab's expense.