Palestinian Militants Launch Floating Bombs at Israel

[Borealis7]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/02/world/main6166929.shtml

Freedom Fighters! get your Freedom Fighters right here!

all you terrorist sympathizers justify this. please. i haven't had a good laugh all day.

 

[PokerGuy]

Mosad agents murder some hamas guy... hamas tries to retaliate. Your point is....??

 

[Borealis7]

first of all, there is no proof the Mosad did it, but these people will hang on to anything they can. as if we've never heard of Arabs killing Arabs before...

this is a deliberate attack luckily unsuccessful one, against civilian population, aka terrorism.
unprovoked and indiscriminate between military and civilians.

 

[PokerGuy]

this is a deliberate attack luckily unsuccessful one, against civilian population, aka terrorism.
unprovoked and indiscriminate between military and civilians.

Hamas would disagree on the "unprovoked" part. It's just more of the usual cycle of stupidity both sides have been stuck in forever.

 

[Lemon law]

And in response Israel clamps a blockade on Gaza. And here silly me, I thought collective punishment was illegal.

But move along folks, move along, nothing to see here, its just round 1,076, 273 of the Hatfields and McCoys mid east style. It never settles anything or gets us any closer to peace, but hurry up and wait, the next round will start soon. Get your new fresh provocations, all sides have a surplus, and they are cheaper by the dozen.

 

[StageLeft]

Seems a really ineffective approach.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Seems a really ineffective approach.

Yep. The ATOT Martyer Brigades probably want to make us feel sorry for the Palestinians for not having more efficient ways of harming Israelis

 

[PokerGuy]

Yep. The ATOT Martyer Brigades probably want to make us feel sorry for the Palestinians for not having more efficient ways of harming Israelis

Both sides do the same, one side just has access to more / sophisticated resources. The cycle continues.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Both sides do the same

You keep telling that yourself.

 

[PokerGuy]

You keep telling that yourself.

It's the truth. Just because one side does it with modern weapons (planes, missiles) and the other does it with more crude ones, neither side has demonstrated any reservation about hurting/killing innocents.

 

[SamurAchzar]

It's the truth. Just because one side does it with modern weapons (planes, missiles) and the other does it with more crude ones, neither side has demonstrated any reservation about hurting/killing innocents.

Would you please be so kind to point me at a prolonged armed conflict, in recent or past years, in which sides demonstrated such reservations about hurting or killing innocents?

In wars people get hurt, that's the reality. However I can very easily point my finger at the side intentionally targeting civilians - because they are easier targets - and the side that goes to some lengths to avoid such incidents.

 

[Sinsear]

The Israeli response should be swift and unmerciful.

 

[ZzZGuy]

How do these bombs work? Are they sea mines that drift in the ocean until they hit a ship or are they land mines meant to get buried in the sand along beaches or for some poor sap to kick it to see what it is? How are they set off and do they still work when they are found?

 

[dainthomas]

How do these bombs work? Are they sea mines that drift in the ocean until they hit a ship or are they land mines meant to get buried in the sand along beaches or for some poor sap to kick it to see what it is? How are they set off and do they still work when they are found?

They are rigged by elite former Republican Guard members to detonate when hit several times with a rock.

 

[SamurAchzar]

How do these bombs work? Are they sea mines that drift in the ocean until they hit a ship or are they land mines meant to get buried in the sand along beaches or for some poor sap to kick it to see what it is? How are they set off and do they still work when they are found?

To my understanding those are barrels filled with about 80kg of explosives, remotely operated via cellphone etc. Very deadly if they explode near anything.

 

[Lemon law]

first of all, there is no proof the Mosad did it, but these people will hang on to anything they can. as if we've never heard of Arabs killing Arabs before...

this is a deliberate attack luckily unsuccessful one, against civilian population, aka terrorism.
unprovoked and indiscriminate between military and civilians.

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And there is no proof that its Hamas is the group behind the mines either. After all, Hamas is basically trapped into staying inside Gaza, they can't go East into Israel and can't go West into Egypt.

And Hamas is just one of a HUGE number of resistance groups that dislike Israel and their policies. Nor can anyone who is rational deny that Israel has done much to EARN the hatreds.

The problem is that the moderates on all sides are now driven out of the political process. And its not hard to predict a coming train wreck. Right now, anti Israeli terrorists are more annoyances than real threats, but sooner or later, anti Israeli terrorists will find ways to exploit chemical, biological, and radiological weapons and then they will be more than mere annoyances.

But maybe that is the solution for mid-east problems, poison the holy land so no one can live in it, if the holy land can't be fairly shared, eliminate all bones of contention and make all the issues into moot points.

 

[CitizenKain]

In wars people get hurt, that's the reality. However I can very easily point my finger at the side intentionally targeting civilians - because they are easier targets - and the side that goes to some lengths to avoid such incidents.

By some lengths meaning they might sorta not punish someone for shooting WP at civilians.

 

[SamurAchzar]

By some lengths meaning they might sorta not punish someone for shooting WP at civilians.

By "some length" I actually meant risking ground troops by sending them into Gaza and using precision munitions instead of senseless nondiscriminatory shelling, Russia style.

Here's an interesting bit about the WP I read on some British soldier blog:

During the course of Israeli operations in Gaza the whole of the media seems to have become expert in the use of white phosphorous. Most commentators either do not know, or have refused to acknowledge, that the use of white phosphorous is not illegal. The Geneva conventions do restrict the use of white phosphorous in certain circumstances, but it is used almost daily by British forces in Afghanistan.
The IDF have stated that, during this operation, they fired a total of 200 shells containing phosphorous. 20 of these shells were fired in urban areas and the use of those 20 is being investigated in line with these restrictions.
White phosphorous is used because it provides an instant smokescreen, other munitions can provide a smokescreen but the effect is not instant. Faced with overwhelming enemy fire and wounded comrades, every commander would choose to screen his men instantly, to do otherwise would be negligent.
Much has been made of Israel’s ‘disproportionate and excessive’ use of force in Gaza. Footage of Gaza released today does show devastating damage to individual buildings, but this is no Stalingrad. A fact often unappreciated by those with no military experience is that the selective use of overwhelming force, aimed at key targets, actually shortens conflict and saves lives. In Basra in 2003 the USA and the UK chose to use extreme force against locations that had been fortified by the Ba’ath Party, in order to spare our troops and the people of Basra the horror of a drawn-out street battle. It appears that the IDF made the same choice in Gaza.

 

[Noobtastic]

And there is no proof that its Hamas is the group behind the mines either. After all, Hamas is basically trapped into staying inside Gaza, they can't go East into Israel and can't go West into Egypt.

Most of the time Hamas is ready to admit attacks on Israel, even ones committed by other organizations.

Many attacks by Hamas have been foiled, but they rarely make the international news. A suicide bomber was stopped about 2 months ago before detonating himself in Eilat. 2 weeks ago Hamas shoot half a dozen rockets at the Karem aid crossing, forcing Israel to close down the aid station.

Hmmm...wonder why Hamas is trying to sabotage the delivery of aid?

Then about a month ago Hamas fired mortars at the Nazohal oil depot which was built exclusively for Gaza's use.

What a joke right?

Now Israel is distributing gas masks to its citizens to protect them from chemical weapons that could be launched by Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, or Iran.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=167878

Imagine if American citizens were gearing up for war and being issued gas masks.

the hysteria that would ensue.

just a normal day in Israel.

Of course they are to blame for it all and have the power to end it if only they act a little bit nicer to the Muslims.

 

[fallout man]

I can't believe that Israelis got all riled-up about a bunch of floating firecrackers.

 

[Noobtastic]

I can't believe that Israelis got all riled-up about a bunch of floating firecrackers.

Can't believe Americans get so riled up by the Cole Bombing.

 

[wwswimming]

doesn't the 2nd Amendment apply in Palestine ?

i say, give all the Palestinian farmers .50 caliber rifles so they can defend their property against Israeli settlers who try to steal their land.

 

[EagleKeeper]

doesn't the 2nd Amendment apply in Palestine ?

i say, give all the Palestinian farmers .50 caliber rifles so they can defend their property against Israeli settlers who try to steal their land.

When the Israel takes the gloves off as a result, then what.
Up to now, Israel has shown considerable restrain and toleration to the Palestinians. (Look how the Arab counties have treated them).

Israel may soon reach the end of their patience. Each time that they have swatted back, it has been harder on the targets. And it is the militants that benefit - no concern for the population.

 

[Lemon law]

It just opens up another front, and now Israel is completely surrounded on all sides. At least Israel could counterattack when the threat was land based, but what can Israel do but nuke the Mediterranean sea now?

But this also showcases the danger of false flag attacks and collective punishment, any terrorist group can trespass into Jordan, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Egypt, or use the Mediterranean sea to peg missiles into Israel without the knowledge or consent of any ruling bodies, and then when Israel retaliates, sooner or later they have no choice but to attack Israel in turn.

 

[SamurAchzar]

It just opens up another front, and now Israel is completely surrounded on all sides. At least Israel could counterattack when the threat was land based, but what can Israel do but nuke the Mediterranean sea now?

That's why Israel maintains the by far most powerful army in the Middle east, and one of the most powerful in the world. Don't forget Israel was already gangbanged by 5 or more established Arab countries in an attempted genocide, immediately after its inception in 1948 and survived. Things only gotten better since then. No sane Arab country would get into a military conflict with Israel - look at how Syria behaved like puppies after the Israeli attack on their reactor.

But this also showcases the danger of false flag attacks and collective punishment, any terrorist group can trespass into Jordan, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Egypt, or use the Mediterranean sea to peg missiles into Israel without the knowledge or consent of any ruling bodies, and then when Israel retaliates, sooner or later they have no choice but to attack Israel in turn.

Full of BS, buddy. The biggest Muslim terror attacks ever did not even target Israel, and if AQ ever gets a nuclear weapon, it will sooner find its way to sleepy, liberal and impotent Western Europe than to Israel.

Now, neither Lebanon or Egypt will not allow any extremist group to operate against Israel from its territory, they crack down on them brutally. Just look at what happened to Hizballah operatives in Egypt lately. Hamas was dealt a good enough blow to lay low for the meanwhile - you don't hear of too many rockets now, do you - and the Palestinians in the West Bank don't want a Cast Lead #2 aimed at themselves, so they too keep quiet.

I'd say Israel has a very good handle on this situation. The only real danger is Hizballah, but not for the interests of Lebanon, but for those of Iran. However I guess that if following an attack in Iran, Hizballah opens a front against Israel, the IDF would be in no mood for assuring civilian safety like it did in 2006 and Southern Lebanon will burn, and personally I hope cleared of all inhabitants, demolished and annexed until a peace agreement between Lebanon and Israel takes place (might be 50 years for that).