Palestinian membership threatening UNESCO programs

JEDIYoda

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So where are those people from other threads who said without a doubt UNESCO will do just fine without the support of the US???


http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-membership-threatening-unesco-programs-104444398.html

PARIS (AP) — The Palestinians can raise their flag alongside those of 194 full-fledged nations at UNESCO after signing a document Wednesday finally giving them a voice within the vast U.N. system — bringing pride across the Arab world yet hobbling the agency's pro-democracy projects around the globe.

Last month's decision by the Paris-based U.N. education and cultural organization to give Palestine membership triggered an immediate funding cutoff by the U.S. that will force UNESCO to scale down literacy and development programs in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan or the new nation of South Sudan.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki will be signing the so-called instrument of accession Wednesday in London where UNESCO was created after World War II. The Palestinian flag can then go up at UNESCO, but a date wasn't immediately known.

For some, the U.S. funds cutoff is counterproductive and risks scrambling the message America tries to project to the world. UNESCO works to turn child soldiers into unarmed schoolkids, teach Muslims about the Holocaust and ensure clean drinking water in volatile regions — far from Israel and the territories the Palestinians want to call their nation.

After pounding at the doors of the United Nations in New York for full recognition, the Palestinians sought coveted U.N. access through the back door, requesting membership in UNESCO.-- sneaky Palestinians!!

The funding crisis started immediately after the Oct. 31 vote that made Palestine a member of UNESCO, with two U.S. laws kicking in to stop the flow of U.S. funds for the organization. The United States contributes $80 million annually in dues — 22 percent of UNESCO's overall budget — and its 2011 contribution was not yet in when the laws took effect, immediately throwing UNESCO into crisis mode. Extra U.S. funds for special projects are also halted.

The U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization is working to fill the money gap, even resorting to a newly created "click online and donate" site for individuals who might care to chip in. Appeals have gone out to member nations.

With the vote to admit Palestine, "some consider UNESCO as a hero, some as a villain," UNESCO Deputy Director-General Getachew Engida said.

"We're all caught in this cross-fire, unfortunately, and it is too bad. I'm an African and I feel the pain," said Engida, who is an Ethiopian.

UNESCO may be best known in the public mind for its program to protect the cultures of the world via its Heritage sites. But its core mission also includes life-sustaining activities like helping to eradicate poverty or ensure clean water as well as teaching girls to read and promoting freedom of expression and human rights. All these are essential elements of nation-building, and engendering a climate of peace and are in the public eye as the Arab Spring unfolds in painful fits of violence and hope in North Africa and the Middle East.

A grim reality is already setting in for many nations — including those which voted for Palestinian membership — particularly in projects where the United States was directly implicated.

A case in point is Iraq, where several projects are compromised and one may not see the light of day — just as the United States completes its troop pullout by year's end.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had promised $900,000 for the first phase of a project to strengthen Iraq's National Water Council, joining $500,000 in Iraqi funds to set up a database to track water supplies. Without the U.S. funds, the project is at risk, officials say.

Another $1 million in U.S. funds have been suspended for a project to promote public confidence in Iraq's judiciary system through training to make the country's Higher Judicial Council more transparent, and accessible. Since the contract was signed on Sept. 23, before the vote to accept Palestine to UNESCO, the final outcome is not yet clear.

South Sudan, which became an independent nation in July after decades of civil war with Sudan, is getting a bittersweet welcome to the organization it joined last month.

UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova had pledged that that the organization "will stand with the people of South Sudan to strengthen their education system and support the training of teachers and education professionals."

But plans to help create the country's first Ministry of Education, a 10-year project by UNESCO's International Institute for Education Planning, is among those that may suffer without the U.S. funds.

"This is a country starting from scratch and it needs all the help it can get," said Engida, UNESCO's deputy chief.

In a nation of 8 million, more than 1 million primary school-age children in South Sudan are out of school, among them returning refugees. UNESCO is also looking to support disarmament and integration into society of child soldiers.

Officials has warned that the U.S. move jeopardizes programs in America's core interests.

"In my personal view, I don't think that withholding funds is in the interest of the United States," Engida said. "UNESCO works in close cooperation with the U.S. administration ... to advance on common shared values, on democracy, good governance, freedom of the press, education for all."

Even without its largesse, the United States remains a welcome member. It was voted to UNESCO's executive board 48 hours after pulling out its money.

While the click-to-donate program aimed at the public has reportedly brought in paltry sums, some nations are digging into their pockets, notably Indonesia with a pledge Tuesday of $10 million and Gabon with an early pledge of $2 million, according to UNESCO spokeswoman Sue Williams.

Engida says he remains optimistic.

"I still believe in the sense of humanity."
 

Braznor

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Jedi, you must realize by now the futility of imparting good sense to those who refuse to see the writing on the wall. They are letting a serpent into the house with the hopes of trying to tame its venomous nature, but you and me knows thats not possible, but try telling that to the ostriches who would prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than face reality.

It is just like the way the world deluded itself into believe the Arab spring will bring democracy and liberalness to the Middle East.
 

theeedude

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I bet you were fapping as you typed this drivel. Why don't you, JohnOShithead, and Lemon Law go check into a hotel and make hate babies.

Why don't you read your own posts before accusing someone else of being a hater?
 

Whiskey16

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Nice attempt at a spin there, JEDIYoda, to place fault for UNESCO funding shortcuts upon the just and legal diplomatic efforts of Palestine and UN bodies.

Withholding due funds is the responsibility of the state committing to such action.

JEDIYoda's spin is to place blame upon Palestinians. That's of little surprise in consideration to blatant bigotry (akin to German views of people to the East who were to be supplanted by those Germans who were deemed more worthy and deserving...Israel has chose its sadly ironic path) upon Palestinians/Arabs with supporting Israel's denial to a universal right of self-determination and sovereignty from the occupying and colonising rule of Israel.

UNESCO projects being cut due to a state opting to refuse payments of its committed dues? Those people and states suffering from such cuts will retain a much deserved angst toward the USA.

A balance of a diplomatic and even strategic lose-lose for the USA while the state of Israel wickedly grins on while going forth with high crimes of aggression.

It's time to put an end to the disproportionate and unjust pull Israel has upon many states/politicians in this world. I am ashamed of my country, where during questions upon Palestinian asperations at the United Nations our Minister of Foreign affairs felt correct in standing within the House of Commons while wearing an Israeli flag/Maple Leaf label pin. Whom does this government serve and why? For misplaced religious beliefs? Courting an influential electoral base in southern Ontario through to Montreal? It truly comes out and down to bigotry upon Palestinians who happen to be Arab and are mostly Muslim. Government that give Israel carte blanche for aggression while demeaning Palestinian grievances are certainly not diplomatically respecting that of law and balanced international diplomacy.
 

Whiskey16

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They are letting a serpent into the house with the hopes of trying to tame its venomous nature, but you and me knows thats not possible, ...
As per forums rules, I thought that hate speech was remained banned in this forum?

Arabs/MuslimsPalestinians are uncivlised "serpents"?

An enabling step for high crimes including that of genocide is to dehumanise an entire people. The Germans attempted the very same upon Jews and Slavs with similar propoganda declaring them to be vermin and grounds for removal. Similar through to Rwandan Hutu rule chasticing Tutsis as cockroaches.

An accepted member again displaying an all too expected commonality of this society of AnandTech to that of Stormfront.
 

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Nice attempt at a spin there, JEDIYoda, to place fault for UNESCO funding shortcuts upon the just and legal diplomatic efforts of Palestine and UN bodies.

Withholding due funds is the responsibility of the state committing to such action.

JEDIYoda's spin is to place blame upon Palestinians. That's of little surprise in consideration to blatant bigotry (akin to German views of people to the East who were to be supplanted by those Germans who were deemed more worthy and deserving...Israel has chose its sadly ironic path) upon Palestinians/Arabs with supporting Israel's denial to a universal right of self-determination and sovereignty from the occupying and colonising rule of Israel.

UNESCO projects being cut due to a state opting to refuse payments of its committed dues? Those people and states suffering from such cuts will retain a much deserved angst toward the USA.

A balance of a diplomatic and even strategic lose-lose for the USA while the state of Israel wickedly grins on while going forth with high crimes of aggression.

It's time to put an end to the disproportionate and unjust pull Israel has upon many states/politicians in this world. I am ashamed of my country, where during questions upon Palestinian asperations at the United Nations our Minister of Foreign affairs felt correct in standing within the House of Commons while wearing an Israeli flag/Maple Leaf label pin. Whom does this government serve and why? For misplaced religious beliefs? Courting an influential electoral base in southern Ontario through to Montreal? It truly comes out and down to bigotry upon Palestinians who happen to be Arab and are mostly Muslim. Government that give Israel carte blanche for aggression while demeaning Palestinian grievances are certainly not diplomatically respecting that of law and balanced international diplomacy.

Aggression against Israel is acceptable and encouraged in your mind. Justifiable. But for Israel to respond is wrong. If the Palestinians and their supporters feel that they are not held responsible for their actions, why should Israel not have the same conditions. Equality for all.

It must be ok for bigotry against Palestinians by Arabs though. Just not by anyone else.

On the topic, UNESCO knew that the US was obligated by it's law to cut off funds if the Palestinians were granted recognition. They (UNESCO) made the choice to make a political statement and jeapordize funding.

It is shame that such grandstanding had to happen at the cost to valuable programs
 
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What's the big deal? The USA clearly has a law on the books that UNESCO is well aware of but decided to ignore at their own peril. Time for a dose of reality.
 

Nebor

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As per forums rules, I thought that hate speech was remained banned in this forum?

Arabs/MuslimsPalestinians are uncivlised "serpents"?

An enabling step for high crimes including that of genocide is to dehumanise an entire people. The Germans attempted the very same upon Jews and Slavs with similar propoganda declaring them to be vermin and grounds for removal. Similar through to Rwandan Hutu rule chasticing Tutsis as cockroaches.

An accepted member again displaying an all too expected commonality of this society of AnandTech to that of Stormfront.

I'm baffled at why you hang out in this cesspool that offends you even more than the actions of your own government.

Serpents are helpful animals that eliminate pests, even though their fangs might frighten some. I'd say the Israelis are the serpents.
 

Whiskey16

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Aggression against Israel is acceptable and encouraged in your mind. Justifiable.
I challenge you to quote me. I do not appreciate one attributing incorrect views upon me.

Legal lobbying, diplomatic avenues, civil boycotts upon Israeli companies profiting from colonised land, and through to domestic civil opposition to occupation forces are most certainly not "aggression against Israel." Such are the protests sanctioning with rights to self-determination and sovereignty against Israeli military occupation, civilian colonisation, and thereby criminal annexation of external territory.

If the Palestinians and their supporters feel that they are not held responsible for their actions...
If you are attempting to mischaracterise me, and in doing so stating a lie.

That is uncool, EagleKeeper, and to resort to such lying is demonstration of one who has lost the argument.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Nice attempt at a spin there, JEDIYoda, to place fault for UNESCO funding shortcuts upon the just and legal diplomatic efforts of Palestine and UN bodies.

Withholding due funds is the responsibility of the state committing to such action.

JEDIYoda's spin is to place blame upon Palestinians. That's of little surprise in consideration to blatant bigotry (akin to German views of people to the East who were to be supplanted by those Germans who were deemed more worthy and deserving...Israel has chose its sadly ironic path) upon Palestinians/Arabs with supporting Israel's denial to a universal right of self-determination and sovereignty from the occupying and colonising rule of Israel.

UNESCO projects being cut due to a state opting to refuse payments of its committed dues? Those people and states suffering from such cuts will retain a much deserved angst toward the USA.

A balance of a diplomatic and even strategic lose-lose for the USA while the state of Israel wickedly grins on while going forth with high crimes of aggression.

It's time to put an end to the disproportionate and unjust pull Israel has upon many states/politicians in this world. I am ashamed of my country, where during questions upon Palestinian asperations at the United Nations our Minister of Foreign affairs felt correct in standing within the House of Commons while wearing an Israeli flag/Maple Leaf label pin. Whom does this government serve and why? For misplaced religious beliefs? Courting an influential electoral base in southern Ontario through to Montreal? It truly comes out and down to bigotry upon Palestinians who happen to be Arab and are mostly Muslim. Government that give Israel carte blanche for aggression while demeaning Palestinian grievances are certainly not diplomatically respecting that of law and balanced international diplomacy.

Are you sure your not using the same Shrooms as your brother...Lemon law??

Think about what you said......
JEDIYoda's spin is to place blame upon Palestinians.

My spin??? Umm no.......
I would venture to say that all parties concerned knew ahead of time what the consequences of going ahead with the addition of the Palestinians to UNESCO.....
With that said if it is not the Palestinians fault......then who......
 

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Whiskey

Were the Arabs and Palestinians justified in attack Israel as a state in '48. How about in '67 and '73.

What about Palestinian actions at Munich.

Where was the condemnation?

RPG against school bus. OK?

You condemn Israel and feel the world so should.
But where is the condemnation against the others.
 

Orignal Earl

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I condemn Pals who shoot rpgs at school buses.
I condemn Israelis who drop cluster bombs on children.

I win.
 

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I condemn Pals who shoot rpgs at school buses.
I condemn Israelis who drop cluster bombs on children.

I win.

Are the cluster bombs targeted aT children or at those tbat hide behind children.

What is the intended target?
 

Orignal Earl

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Are the cluster bombs targeted aT children or at those tbat hide behind children.

What is the intended target?

When you drop cluster bombs, you know shit is going to happen long after the militants have moved on.

I missed your Israeli condemnation threads.
Could you point them out to me, it looks like you are being a hypocrite to Whiskey
 

EagleKeeper

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I freely condemn those that hide behind children. Identify where the IDF does so.

Rare cases exist where civilians only are targets. Those I have mo problem condemning no rather what the force is.

When combatants use children to act as cover or deterent, that is wrong!
 

cybrsage

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UNESCO requires ALL members to abide by some simple rules, which the Palestinians do not abide by currently. Therefor the Palestinians will either have to start protecting Synagogues and STOP teaching their children that Jews are evil (it is in their textbooks) AND provide equal education to women or UNESCO will have to kick them out. Or, more likely, UNESCO will ignore its own rules.

It is all found in their constitution and charter:

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0014/001471/147115e.pdf
 

cybrsage

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I freely condemn those that hide behind children. Identify where the IDF does so.

Rare cases exist where civilians only are targets. Those I have mo problem condemning no rather what the force is.

When combatants use children to act as cover or deterent, that is wrong!

The big difference between the few times Israelis have done this and the many times the Palestinians have done this is that the Israelis prosecute those who do while the Palestinians do nothing.
 

Orignal Earl

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I freely condemn those that hide behind children. Identify where the IDF does so.

Rare cases exist where civilians only are targets. Those I have mo problem condemning no rather what the force is.

When combatants use children to act as cover or deterent, that is wrong!

The same hand that controls the IDF controls where the settlers are allowed to dig in.
Settler family's have children.

The way you guys carry on, Israel entire is a warzone and is under constant attack.
Why would anyone move their family into a warzone
Are all Jews moving to Israel, putting their children on the front lines?
 

cybrsage

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What's the big deal? The USA clearly has a law on the books that UNESCO is well aware of but decided to ignore at their own peril. Time for a dose of reality.

I think they were surprised we actually followed our law instead of ignoring it.
 

cybrsage

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The same hand that controls the IDF controls where the settlers are allowed to dig in.
Settler family's have children.

The way you guys carry on, Israel entire is a warzone and is under constant attack.
Why would anyone move their family into a warzone
Are all Jews moving to Israel, putting their children on the front lines?

Many are, yes. More and more every year. Of course, the vast majority of them are moving from nations where being a Jew means constant discrimination.

Also, it is the ancestral land of the Jews. When you go through history and tally up who owned that land the longest, the top two are the Jews and the Egyptians (I included any time the land payed tribute as being owned by the nation to whom tribute was paid). The Egyptians, however, gave up their right to the land when they agreed Israel should exist there.

Israel is not only the ancestral homeland of the Jews, but the spiritual one as well. Nothing is more important than one's god, if one actually believes in said god.