Palestinian jailed for rape after claiming to be Jewish

[evident]

pics?

 

[her209]

Both are based on the same type of lie.

LOL keep believing that lie.

 

[kylebisme]

Anecdotal examples of racism rarely suffice to prove anything.

Bigoted laws passed and proposed in legislature are more than anecdotes, and it's far from the only example. The most glaring example is the fact that Israel maintains two separate legal systems for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank.

Incidentally, I found the Israel rape-fraud statute, and it is, exactly as I said, racially neutral:

Code Paragraph 345(a)(2) that defines rape:
הבועל אשה –
בהסכמת האשה, שהושגה במרמה לגבי מיהות העושה או מהות המעשה;
“A male who has sex with a woman with her consent, which was elicited with deceit about the essence of the perpetrator or essence of the act”.

In substance, it isn't terribly different from the California statute i cited above.

Sure it is, as the California statute only refers to the "the essential characteristic of the act" and not "the essence of the perpetrator", nor does the California law discriminate on the basis of sex.

 

[Narmer]

I would be doing life for all the lies I've told to get pussy.

 

[woolfe9999]

Bigoted laws passed and proposed in legislature are more than anecdotes, and it's far from the only example. The most glaring example is the fact that Israel maintains two separate legal systems for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank.


Sure it is, as the California statute only refers to the "the essential characteristic of the act" and not "the essence of the perpetrator", nor does the California law discriminate on the basis of sex.

The California law simply says "fraud in fact." In theory, that can mean that the perpetrator has misrepresented absolutely anything: his age, his financial status, his race, etc. There is no real difference between the two laws in terms of what we have been discussing in this thread.

You're right that the Cal law doesn't discriminate based on sex. Several states in the U.S. still have this archaic discrimination in their rape statutes. It could be that the Israeli code has a separate statute for female/male, female/female/ or male/male rape. Notice that the California law excludes spousal rape which the Israeli law does not. However, in California they added a separate statute for spousal rape, in 1993, because allowing spousal rape was obviously sexist and archaic. Yet we didn't change it until recently.

- wolf

 

[Harabec]

Right, now that everyone got their rage dose, lets get back to the point:
Under Israeli law (which woolfe brought here) faking your identity to have sex is illegal and considered a type of rape. It doesn't care who you are, just the fact that you faked your identity in some way. Got a problem with that, thats another story.

Sorry if the law isn't bigoted as you wanted it to be, tough luck. This is why I called the troll by his name.

 

[kylebisme]

The California law simply says "fraud in fact." In theory...

No, it also states "the essential characteristic of the act", and unlike the Israeli law, it doesn't condone any bigotry over "the essence of the" so-called "perpetrator."

...that can mean that the perpetrator has misrepresented absolutely anything: his age, his financial status, his race, etc.

Are there any examples of Jewish guys being convicted for lying about their "essence" to get sex?

 

[woolfe9999]

No, it also states "the essential characteristic of the act", and unlike the Israeli law, it doesn't condone any bigotry over "the essence of the" so-called "perpetrator."


Are there any examples of Jewish guys being convicted for lying about their "essence" to get sex?

I'm sorry, but you are gravely confused about how to interpret statutes. The California law says "fraud in fact." That covers any misrepresentation whatsoever about who the person is, or anything for that matter. The Israeli statute is trying to be a little more specific, but by its literal language, it does not cover anything that the California statute does not cover, unless a court decides to interpret it that way. I don't know what you think "essence of the perpetrator" (which is a rough translation btw) means, but you seem to be equating it specifically with "race" for some reason. What it means is "lying about who you are," period.

Your second point: I already gave you the al-Jazeera link about this story which cites the example of the Jew who was convincted of getting sex by falsely claiming to be a government official. That falls under the "essence of the perpetrator." As would lying about your marital status, saying you are richer than you are, etc. No, that case did not involve "racial deception." The case at hand is the only such case applying the statute that way in Israeli history.

My points are well substantiated here. You are playing a game of ignoring well proven points and trying to hold on to a grain of something you think you can still challenge to save face in this. And now I'm repeating rather obvious points, so it's now officially getting old.

- wolf

 

[CitizenKain]

Right, now that everyone got their rage dose, lets get back to the point:
Under Israeli law (which woolfe brought here) faking your identity to have sex is illegal and considered a type of rape. It doesn't care who you are, just the fact that you faked your identity in some way. Got a problem with that, thats another story.

Sorry if the law isn't bigoted as you wanted it to be, tough luck. This is why I called the troll by his name.

Wow, people in Israel are giant babies about this. I'm pretty sure the only reason this case came up is because the guy is Palestinian. If the situation was reversed, you wouldn't hear a peep about this case.

 

[kylebisme]

The California law says "fraud in fact." That covers any misrepresentation whatsoever about who the person is, or anything for that matter.

No, only misrepresentations which create a situation:

[Where the victim] was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant of the essential characteristic of the act...

Context is key.

Your second point: I already gave you the al-Jazeera link about this story which cites the example of the Jew who was convincted of getting sex by falsely claiming to be a government official.

Rather, you posted this:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/07/201072191017847251.html

I didn't bother to even click that link since you provided absolutely no explanation as to why you posted it. That said:

The most notable case was in 2008, when Israel's high court of justice upheld the conviction of Zvi Sleiman, a man who impersonated a housing ministry official and promised women apartments and benefits in exchange for sex.

Such false promises are along the same lines as the "sex therapy" convictions in California, misrepresenting "the essential characteristic of the act."

 

[woolfe9999]

No, only misrepresentations which create a situation:


Context is key.


Rather, you posted this:


I didn't bother to even click that link since you provided absolutely no explanation as to why you posted it. That said:


Such false promises are along the same lines as the "sex therapy" convictions in California, misrepresenting "the essential characteristic of the act."

No, only misrepresentations which create a situation:


Context is king.


Rather, you posted this:


I didn't bother to even click that link since you provided absolutely no explanation as to why you posted it. That said:


Such false promises are along the same lines as the "sex therapy" convictions in California, misrepresenting "essential characteristic of the act."

You're 100% incorrect in your interpretation of the California statute as excluding characteristics of the perpetrator as being part of the how the victim perceives the "act." You should know this based on what I already posted Kyle. The primary application of this statute, by case law, is when the perpetrator impersonates the victim's husband (because it's dark or he's a twin, or the wife hasn't seen her husband in decades, etc.) In other words, it is a fraud in California to obtain sex by falsely claiming to be someone's spouse.

The bottom line is that the Israeli statute says nothing about race, ethnicity or religion. It isn't a "racist" statute because you have arbitrarily decided to define "essence" as "race."

You're 100% wrong. Everything I said in my original post is correct. The controversy here is about about how one Israeli judge has interpreted this statute. Not one article on this subject has cited the statute as being racist, or the real problem. You won't concede the point because you aren't man enough to concede any points, ever. Which is fine. The thread speaks for itself.

That is all.

- wolf

 

[kylebisme]

In other words, it is a fraud in California to obtain sex by falsely claiming to be someone's spouse.

That's because the victim is tricked in to believing "the essential characteristic of the act" is marital sex rather than adultery.

It isn't a "racist" statute because you have arbitrarily decided to define "essence" as "race."

No I didn't, and I wouldn't, as I'm well aware of the fact that there's no scientific basis for dividing humanity into multiple races. Only people corrupted by racist ideologies employ such pseudoscientific distinctions. That said, "the essence of the perpetrator" is an obvious reference to ethnicity.

 

[Kappo]

That's because the victim is tricked in to believing "the essential characteristic of the act" is marital sex rather than adultery.


No I didn't, and I wouldn't, as I'm well aware of the fact that there's no scientific basis for dividing humanity into multiple races. Only people corrupted by racist ideologies employ such pseudoscientific distinctions. That said, "the essence of the perpetrator" is an obvious reference to ethnicity.

You're the kinda guy who reads stuff over and over and over so you can make a parallel with something that isn't there, aren't you? You could probably read instructions for your new microwave and find some sort of racist undertone....

 

[nonlnear]

No I didn't, and I wouldn't, as I'm well aware of the fact that there's no scientific basis for dividing humanity into multiple races. Only people corrupted by racist ideologies employ such pseudoscientific distinctions. That said, "the essence of the perpetrator" is an obvious reference to ethnicity.

Heh, and here I thought it was a euphemism for semen...

 

[SandEagle]

More on this here:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109

According to Kashur, he was exiting a grocery store in downtown Jerusalem around midday when a woman in her late 20s began to talk to him. "I would say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend. I said my name is Dudu because that's how everybody knows me. My wife even calls me that."

His name is Dudu lol

 

[kylebisme]

You're the kinda guy who reads stuff over and over and over so you can make a parallel with something that isn't there, aren't you? You could probably read instructions for your new microwave and find some sort of racist undertone....

No, you're just seeing things which aren't there.

 

[gingermeggs]

Maybe he has a big, oily skinned nose fetish and like lots of bushy, curly and wild pubic hair( the kind that muffs out even in jeans).

 

[gingermeggs]

More on this here:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109

According to Kashur, he was exiting a grocery store in downtown Jerusalem around midday when a woman in her late 20s began to talk to him. "I would say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend. I said my name is Dudu because that's how everybody knows me. My wife even calls me that."

His name is Dudu lol

Wow! you can see why she'd sucker for him,lol
I'd like to see a photo of the bitch involved!

 

[gingermeggs]

Heh, and here I thought it was a euphemism for semen...

Lucky she wasn't attacked by commando's for having a boat full of Palestinian semen!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

A woman meets a strange man in the street and has sex with him soon afterwards and wants us to believe this is how she looks for a serious romantic relationship?

This reminds me of a similar thing that used to happen, especially in the south in the USA,

that of a white female falsely claiming to have been raped by a black man in order to save face with daddy so she wouldn't appear to be the slut everyone else knew she was.

It's like me claiming that I'm a rich playboy in order to get laid, or saying that I'm a famous race car driver, etc. The woman has no one to blame but herself for falling for it. In the future perhaps she might try to get to know men better first before bedding down with them? Did she have a good time? She found a guy to fulFILL her, so what's the problem?

 

[5150Joker]

Maybe he has a big, oily skinned nose fetish and like lots of bushy, curly and wild pubic hair( the kind that muffs out even in jeans).

Mmmm..oily big noses and curly bushy pubes...thats what dreams are made of!