Palestinian jailed for rape after claiming to be Jewish

[PeshakJang]

I'm fairly certain they only do flogging for fornication, which of course is awful, but it's a good bit short of execution. Besides, while Saudi Arabia is near Israel, it doesn't quite neighbor Israel, let alone constitute "most of Israel's neighboring countries."

Syria? And yes, women have been executed for being raped. Pay attention.

When you are reaching for excuses to defend bigotry and injustice.

You are obviously the one excusing it. We've proven that, you have done nothing but dodge questions. Tell me why so many experts agree with our claims, yet you can't answer one simple question.

 

[SandEagle]

wait, did he say he was Jewish? sounds like he told her that his name was Daniel and she assumed that he was Jewish

 

[kylebisme]

Syria? And yes, women have been executed for being raped.

I'm fairly certain not in Syria, though I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if you can provide a credible source to back your claim.

You are obviously the one excusing it.

What are you accusing me of excusing specifically?

Tell me why so many experts agree with our claims...

Show me the experts which agree with your claims.

...yet you can't answer one simple question.

I can answer many questions, simple and otherwise, but I often ignore idiotic questions which have no basis in reality.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm fairly certain they only do flogging for fornication, which of course is awful, but it's a good bit short of execution. Besides, while Saudi Arabia is near Israel, it doesn't quite neighbor Israel, let alone constitute "most of Israel's neighboring countries."

So the guy living three doors down isn't my neighbor, he just lives near me?

 

[PeshakJang]

I'm fairly certain not in Syria, though I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if you can provide a credible source to back your claim.


What are you accusing me of excusing specifically?


Show me the experts which agree with your claims.


I can answer many questions, simple and otherwise, but I often ignore idiotic questions which have no basis in reality.

If you can't search for the answers yourself, then I am not going to help you.

The experts agree with me, and you can't answer my questions.

Keep denying the truth. I've won this argument.

 

[kylebisme]

So the guy living three doors down isn't my neighbor, he just lives near me?

Yeah, he is your neighbor, but his property isn't neighboring yours.

 

[kylebisme]

If you can't search for the answers yourself, then I am not going to help you.

The experts agree with me, and you can't answer my questions.

Keep denying the truth. I've won this argument.

You made claims which you've proven yourself unable to support, that is the truth here.

 

[linkgoron]

Extremely stupid.
Can't believe he got jail time (or anything for that matter) for this.

 

[khon]

So its now a crime to lie about yourself to hook up with a girl ? In that case they'd better start arresting everyone who's ever had a onenight stand.

Fucking ridiculous.

And seriously, just how racist is this bitch ?

 

[PeshakJang]

You made claims which you've proven yourself unable to support, that is the truth here.

I've supported all my arguments with hard facts that neither you nor anybody else have been able to refute. You can't accept that because you've already accepted blindly what has been fed to you. Open your eyes and start asking questions.

I've won this argument. That's the truth. Go play outside little child.

 

[MotF Bane]

Yeah, he is your neighbor, but his property isn't neighboring yours.

lmao

 

[kylebisme]

I've supported all my arguments with hard facts that neither you nor anybody else have been able to refute.

You've not presented any evidence to refute, just spouted nonsense out your rear.

lmao

Yeah, grammar is hilarious.

 

[Craig234]

You're right. In most of Israel's neighboring countries, the woman would have been executed by now.

That's a whole different matter - the conservative religious views, rather than bigotry.

I'm not saying they're not worse - to play the pointless game of comparing wrongful rape conviction to wrongful execution - but it's not the same sort of racial bigotry.

Indeed, if American Christians followed their own bible as literally when it doesn't suit them as the Muslims you mention, there would have to be a lot more stonings here. But they only do that when it does suit them - or even make up things the bible doesn't say to further suit their bigotry. There are enough such bigots here today that some states would imprison gays for gay sex, if the constitution allowed (and a few who would execute them 'because the bible says to').

Hm, doesn't the Christian bible say something about not allowing divorce and stoning adulterers?

Two wrongs don't make a right, that neighbors who are too conservative do terrible things in the name of religious fundamentalism are a rebuttal to Israeli bigotry.

But people with YOUR bigotry can't resist just that bad logic - 'defending' Israeli bigotry with an attack on the neighbors, as if it has any cleansing effect.

It's a bigotry fallacy, how when you don't know what else to say in attacks on those who you are biased in favor of, that if you just repeat the attacks on who you are bigoted against, it makes you 'feel better'. "Oh, that's right, we really hate the Muslims, so let's not forget the big picture and be concerned about Israel. Let's whitewash our side's wrongs and unite in our hatred of the Muslims". That's a very wrong view, allowing you to continue your own bigotry and make excuses for wrongs.

It's the same mentality that used to let injustices against blacks go unpunished - the bigotry against the blacks just outweighed any concern about wrongdoing by whites.

You don't REALLY want to let those dirty black people be the cause for a good WHITE person to go to prison, do you?

Your attack on Muslims - however accurate or inaccurate - has no place in this discussion when used for that sort of bigoted appeal to ignore/minimize Israeli wrongs.

 

[PeshakJang]

Your attack on Muslims - however accurate or inaccurate - has no place in this discussion when used for that sort of bigoted appeal to ignore/minimize Israeli wrongs.

Where did I say anything about Muslims? You were the first one to bring it up.

Figures though, I guess your standards don't apply to your own arguments.

 

[Craig234]

wait, did he say he was Jewish? sounds like he told her that his name was Daniel and she assumed that he was Jewish

An interesting parallel is the very common practice many Jews in the US had when anti-Jewish bigotry was stronger, to change their names to sound non-Jewish.

Are they then 'liars' misrepresenting themselves for their own benefit analogous to 'Daniel' here?

The analogy doesn't hold up in one way - the anti-Jewish bigots were more wrong than this woman. Even if she is bigoted, who you have sex with has a lot more latitude for bigotry.

It's one thing to segregate blacks, or for a Jew to be unable to sell his services because he's Jewish, and quite another to not want to have sex with a group.

 

[Craig234]

Where did I say anything about Muslims? You were the first one to bring it up.

Figures though, I guess your standards don't apply to your own arguments.

The 'neighboring countries who would have executed' (real or not) for this are Muslim. Israel doesn't have any such Jewish neighbors, Christian neighbors, Buddhist neighbors.

Are you that bankrupt of intellectual honesty to pretend that your comment wasn't an anti-Muslim slam because you didn't say the word? You make a fool of yourself.

 

[kylebisme]

That's a whole different matter - the conservative religious views...

Actually, it's not even that, as the punishment for fornication in Islam is stated in Qur'an 24:2-3:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.

And again, I'm fairly certain none of the countries neighboring Israel punishes fornication with execution, or any other nation for that matter.

 

[PeshakJang]

Are you that bankrupt of intellectual honesty to pretend that your comment wasn't an anti-Muslim slam because you didn't say the word? You make a fool of yourself.

Maybe it was a slam on their terrible legal system? I thought that is what the original post was about regarding the Israeli judge.

The charge of lack of intellectual honesty, coming from you, is quite hilarious.

I've won this argument. You've established yourself as the fool.

 

[Kappo]

Who are you talking to? I want tolerance for everyone, and hence oppose discriminatory laws and practices, religion-based or otherwise.

You can't support tolerance for Muslims and be anti-discrimination.

Supporting the Muslim faith is pretty much the de facto standard of not supporting tolerance.

 

[Craig234]

Actually, it's not even that, as the punishment for fornication in Islam is stated in Qur'an 24:2-3:


And again, I'm fairly certain none of the countries neighboring Israel punishes fornication with execution, or any other nation for that matter.

Ya, I'm ignoring the accuracy of his claim, to discuss the larger issue that even if he was accurate, his logic is bad and is of the 'don't look at the wrong of Israel, turn a blind eye to it because the Muslims are bad' type of bigotry. His bad logic is the real important issue here, not any errors about the Muslims that are secondary IMO.

To make my own analogy, if someone says "the black looked with lust on a white woman, hang him", is it more important to argue that's wrong, or that he didn't look at her?

 

[kylebisme]

You can't support tolerance for Muslims and be anti-discrimination.

Do you contend that I also can't support tolerance for Jews and and be anti-discrimination? Regardless, you've no place to tell me what I can or can't do.

Supporting the Muslim faith is pretty much the de facto standard of not supporting tolerance.

I don't support discriminatory laws or practices, be they those of Islam or otherwise, as I support tolerance for all people.

 

[Craig234]

You can't support tolerance for Muslims and be anti-discrimination.

Supporting the Muslim faith is pretty much the de facto standard of not supporting tolerance.

You can oppose discrimination against Muslims, while opposing any discrimination Muslims themselves practice.

We face this in our own country with far-right religious groups. If they had the power, they'd silence all kinds of people and practice discrimination - so do we not let them speak?

We do - the right way to beat them is to convince people they're wrong, the wrong way to beat them is to discriminate against them by denying them free speech.

 

[kylebisme]

To make my own analogy, if someone says "the black looked with lust on a white woman, hang him", is it more important to argue that's wrong, or that he didn't look at her?

Actually, his argument is more along the lines of "over in Africa they [something they don't actually do], so there is nothing wrong with treating black people like shit in the US."

 

[Craig234]

Maybe it was a slam on their terrible legal system? I thought that is what the original post was about regarding the Israeli judge.

The charge of lack of intellectual honesty, coming from you, is quite hilarious.

I've won this argument. You've established yourself as the fool.

And their 'terrible legal systems' are intertwined with the Muslim religion and a reflection on Muslim society. You're a liar, and further make a fool of yourself. We're done. You lose.

 

[Craig234]

Actually, his argument is more along the lines of "over in Africa they [something they don't actually do], so there is nothing wrong with treating black people like shit in the US."

Regardless, if you are right, it's more important to say why it's wrong even if he is correct, than to imply 'well, that would be fine if Africans did those things, but they don't.'