Pale Moon vs FX

[R0H1T]

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.


Are you serious?

I don't think he is unless we're talking about 99% of'em being blank pages cause I don't see how FF or any other browser would cope with such stuff not to mention it'll require something like 64 or 128GB of RAM :whiste:

 

[Berryracer]

One thing you aren't taking into account is the ux changes Firefox is making, and Palemoon isn't. There's many people that don't like the changes, and there needs to be a browser for people who can read, and understand how a menu works. I'm hoping someone makes a fork for GNU/Linux, but if not, I'll likely be switching to Seamonkey.

exactly, another reason why I stick to Pale Moon, with each FF update, I am scred to see what new interface changes they might bring in, with Pale Moon it's always the same awesome retro FF interface but with a blue color

 

[code65536]

This has got nothing to with it being palemoon, its more likely due to a new installation which doesn't bloat the user profile &/or turning off the HDD cache completely which I believe is a default setting for palemoon. I've used x64 builds for FF since they were first released a few years & the difference between any custom firefox build & the latest nightly(or aurora) is negligibly minor not to mention the thing that'll help a lot more is something like this ~ SpeedyFox 2

Yes, the places database (history, bookmarks, etc.) can get pretty big. Comparisons should be made with the same profile on both.

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.

when I have a couple thousand tabs open.



Are you serious?

Absolutely. To each their own. I've seen my browser eat as much as 8GB of RAM. I browse the web in a breadth-first fashion rather than a depth-first option. I rarely click on links; I almost always middle-click on a link. I also made an addon that lets me middle-click on form submission buttons so forms are submitted as new tabs (actually really useful). The end result, after a year or two of use, is a gradual buildup of tabs (it's not like I opened all of them in a single session).

sounds to me like code65536 is a fanboy and it would not matter whaT OS you used even if you used the Sierra Nevada OS

Yes, I'm quite partial to Firefox and am upfront about it. So what? At least my posts are coherent (we're talking about browsers, not OSes, and I won't even try to take a stab at whatever the heck you meant by Sierra Nevada).

One thing you aren't taking into account is the ux changes Firefox is making, and Palemoon isn't.

Pale Moon adopts the changes that Firefox adopts and only diverge in ways that don't involve much, if any, change to the source. Take, for example, killing the old (and arguably more useful) "Toolkit" download manager? That happened on Firefox (and not everyone was happy about it), and it happened on Pale Moon. The addon/extension system exists in Firefox to let users change the UX experience, because not everyone is going to agree on what the best UX design is; I'm not happy with the way Firefox works out of the box, and I don't see Pale Moon as being any better.

I'm not saying that PM is bad (it is the easiest way to get 64-bit support without resorting to nightlies), and the fact that it is basically Firefox with tweaks on the periphery means that it's just as good. If they want to recompile and repackage Firefox, sure, go ahead. I won't mind having a 64-bit build not based on a nightly. But don't try to pass it off as something much more different that is rebelling against the clueless idiots at Mozilla; if they really think that poorly of the code, why the heck are they using it?

 

[Virgorising]

I don't think he is unless we're talking about 99% of'em being blank pages cause I don't see how FF or any other browser would cope with such stuff not to mention it'll require something like 64 or 128GB of RAM :whiste:

Common, he was doin creative, dramatic license dancing!

We can celebrate that within any area without sacrificing content and hard data. Some genius surgeons crack wise in the OR....it helps them.

Cut slack, babe! Or, were U being sardonic??? Cause, believe it not, I think I do not know.:| I think I need to use compressed air to blow the dust off my antena today.:$

 

[lxskllr]

Pale Moon adopts the changes that Firefox adopts and only diverge in ways that don't involve much, if any, change to the source. Take, for example, killing the old (and arguably more useful) "Toolkit" download manager? That happened on Firefox (and not everyone was happy about it), and it happened on Pale Moon. The addon/extension system exists in Firefox to let users change the UX experience, because not everyone is going to agree on what the best UX design is; I'm not happy with the way Firefox works out of the box, and I don't see Pale Moon as being any better.

So far that's been the case, but I believe they've gone on record saying they aren't adopting Australis. Some features shouldn't be left to addons. Firefox's strength is it's customization ability. Take that away, and it's just another browser.

 

[Virgorising]

Yes, the places database (history, bookmarks, etc.) can get pretty big. Comparisons should be made with the same profile on both.



Absolutely. To each their own. I've seen my browser eat as much as 8GB of RAM. I browse the web in a breadth-first fashion rather than a depth-first option. I rarely click on links; I almost always middle-click on a link. I also made an addon that lets me middle-click on form submission buttons so forms are submitted as new tabs (actually really useful). The end result, after a year or two of use, is a gradual buildup of tabs (it's not like I opened all of them in a single session).



Yes, I'm quite partial to Firefox and am upfront about it. So what? At least my posts are coherent (we're talking about browsers, not OSes, and I won't even try to take a stab at whatever the heck you meant by Sierra Nevada).



Pale Moon adopts the changes that Firefox adopts and only diverge in ways that don't involve much, if any, change to the source. Take, for example, killing the old (and arguably more useful) "Toolkit" download manager? That happened on Firefox (and not everyone was happy about it), and it happened on Pale Moon. The addon/extension system exists in Firefox to let users change the UX experience, because not everyone is going to agree on what the best UX design is; I'm not happy with the way Firefox works out of the box, and I don't see Pale Moon as being any better.

I'm not saying that PM is bad (it is the easiest way to get 64-bit support without resorting to nightlies), and the fact that it is basically Firefox with tweaks on the periphery means that it's just as good. If they want to recompile and repackage Firefox, sure, go ahead. I won't mind having a 64-bit build not based on a nightly. But don't try to pass it off as something much more different that is rebelling against the clueless idiots at Mozilla; if they really think that poorly of the code, why the heck are they using it?

All points taken, and, in accurate delineation, yr last paragraph especially. Some of these data work back to why, after delving I put up the links I did. But pls morph yr endocrine system out of defensive over drive. I was also going to edit "OS" to "browser".

The poster was playing a bit with Sierra Nevada....no law against that, it helps everything when it is not gratuitous.

Yesterday, I was a mouseclick away from uninstalling my stalwart FX.....but then, it felt entirely premature. It's a journey of organic progression when done right.()

 

[code65536]

So far that's been the case, but I believe they've gone on record saying they aren't adopting Australis. Some features shouldn't be left to addons. Firefox's strength is it's customization ability. Take that away, and it's just another browser.

I'm not thrilled by Australis, either. Particularly having the app take over the draw of the minimize/restore/close window buttons; I don't like programs that take over OS elements and am very much in favor of a program appearing as "native" as possible.

That said, if Firefox does adopt it, I don't know how Pale Moon will try to pull off un-adopting it, since it would be a very substantial change.

Also, Australis hasn't shown up in the nightlies yet (at least, not the one I downloaded a week or two ago, which is v27), so there is no way it's going to make it into v25. Assuming it will make it into Firefox at all. There have been a number of proposed UI changes that were approved by the UX team but did not make it. I remember one that made it as far as the nightly builds, but was later scrapped after negative user reactions (they do listen).

with Pale Moon it's always the same awesome retro FF interface but with a blue color

You can get that same look in Firefox, too.
1) Change the browser.tabsOnTop user preference to move the tab bar below the address bar.
2) In the toolbar customization, the back/forward buttons are merged with the address bar only if there are no buttons between them. Stop and refresh are merged into the address bar if they are placed immediately after the address bar. So to get the old-style toolbar look, all you have to do is open the toolbar customization dialog and drag the buttons around.
3) Turn on the bookmarks bar for that list of clickable links/buttons.

This is what I mean by their UX changes being almost entirely changes in configuration.

 

[lxskllr]

Also, Australis hasn't shown up in the nightlies yet (at least, not the one I downloaded a week or two ago, which is v27), so there is no way it's going to make it into v25. Assuming it will make it into Firefox at all. There have been a number of proposed UI changes that were approved by the UX team but did not make it. I remember one that made it as far as the nightly builds, but was later scrapped after negative user reactions (they do listen).

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal. The only thing holding it back is performance regressions. I've been following it fairly closely so I'll know when to pin Iceweasel on release. They say an addon will be available on release to revert the changes, but I need to check it out before I commit to it.

http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/24/firefoxs-australis-design-wont-ship-march-2014/

 

[code65536]

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal. The only thing holding it back is performance regressions. I've been following it fairly closely so I'll know when to pin Iceweasel on release. They say an addon will be available on release to revert the changes, but I need to check it out before I commit to it.

http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/24/firefoxs-australis-design-wont-ship-march-2014/

I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see when (if?) it hits Nightly and how people react. They do pay attention, and they'll cave if enough people give (well-reasoned) complaints, especially if you do so in their NNTP newsgroups (nntp://news.mozilla.org/).

 

[Virgorising]

So far that's been the case, but I believe they've gone on record saying they aren't adopting Australis. Some features shouldn't be left to addons. Firefox's strength is it's customization ability. Take that away, and it's just another browser.

Is there ANY browser about which U would not say that? One which truly distinguishes itself from all others? Serious question.

 

[Berryracer]

To me, Australis is a Chrome wanna be Firefox

 

[lxskllr]

Is there ANY browser about which U would not say that? One which truly distinguishes itself from all others? Serious question.

What do you mean? Most browsers are locked down. You use it their way, or you don't use it at all. The old Opera(RIP) and Firefox were the main exceptions. Seamonkey can tweaked out too, but it doesn't get as much attention as Firefox, so you don't have the addon support.

 

[Virgorising]

What do you mean? Most browsers are locked down. You use it their way, or you don't use it at all. The old Opera(RIP) and Firefox were the main exceptions. Seamonkey can tweaked out too, but it doesn't get as much attention as Firefox, so you don't have the addon support.

I was not THROWING SHADE. I was responding to yr kinda bitter comment, that apart from this and that, FX is "just another browser."

I sincerely wanted to know if there is a browser out there which U find worthier.

It feels as if you find all browsers despotic and precluding stuff you wanna do. Is that right? You feel the writing of the basics is capricious in some way?

(Am I imagining everyone is PMsed and loaded for bear today? R U all RedSox fans?())

 

[lxskllr]

I was not THROWING SHADE. I was responding to yr kinda bitter ***ment, that apart from this and that, FX is "just another browser."

I sincerely wanted to know if there is a browser out there which U find worthier.

No. Firefox, and it's forks like Palemoon are the best. Seamonkey is a fairly distant second. Firefox is the best because it gives the user the power to change it to the user's preference. Take that away, and it's just another browser. It's also good because of the libre licensing, but Chromium is libre, as are other browsers. The distinguishing characteristic is the power to (easily)change.

 

[Virgorising]

No. Firefox, and it's forks like Palemoon are the best. Seamonkey is a fairly distant second. Firefox is the best because it gives the user the power to change it to the user's preference. Take that away, and it's just another browser. It's also good because of the libre licensing, but Chromium is libre, as are other browsers. The distinguishing characteristic is the power to (easily)change.

I appreciate the clarifications. Now, I have had PM for under a day, and I don't yet see how it is less configurable than FX. It seems leaner. I like leaner.

Am I missing something important? If so, I wanna know.

That there is no way I can change its icon, which I hate, is just something petty.
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Edit: O M G http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2446

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Hmm, interesting. thank you for posting that link..
I may have missed the part about the addon to revert changes. Where do they discuss that?

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal. The only thing holding it back is performance regressions. I've been following it fairly closely so I'll know when to pin Iceweasel on release. They say an addon will be available on release to revert the changes, but I need to check it out before I commit to it.

http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/24/firefoxs-australis-design-wont-ship-march-2014/

 

[Virgorising]

Having now learned about Australis....for me, it's a deal breaker. Gratuitous.
Makes me happier I discovered PM here.

 

[Virgorising]

To me, Australis is a Chrome wanna be Firefox

U think it's as intrusive???????

 

[lxskllr]

I may have missed the part about the addon to revert changes. Where do they discuss that?

They haven't. I read it on reddit. One of the devs is doing it as a side project I believe.

 

[Virgorising]

What is confusing me, is....in PM, I click on add-ons and get this:

Thanks for using Firefox and supporting Mozilla's mission!

Is this simply cause when I installed PM, I migrated all my FX settings to it?

 

[Berryracer]

What is confusing me, is....in PM, I click on add-ons and get this:

Thanks for using Firefox and supporting Mozilla's mission!

Is this simply cause when I installed PM, I migrated all my FX settings to it?

I think because that's interlinked with Mozilla's Add-Ons Page so it shows Mozilla

Never noticed this until you said it so no biggie

I am just loving the blistering speed of this browser! it's like there is no loading everything is right there when you click it! Magic

 

[Virgorising]

I think because that's interlinked with Mozilla's Add-Ons Page so it shows Mozilla

Never noticed this until you said it so no biggie

I am just loving the blistering speed of this browser! it's like there is no loading everything is right there when you click it! Magic

Well, I do luv yr enthusiasm.:biggrin:

Plus, I relate(). I am jus tryin to chill more than usual and learn more before I uninstall FX.

 

[Berryracer]

Well, I do luv yr enthusiasm.:biggrin:

Plus, I relate(). I am jus tryin to chill more than usual and learn more before I uninstall FX.

After using Pale Moon for a while then using Firefox, I ran back to Pale Moon I can't stand Firefox anymore, hate its slow browsing speed of webpage loading, hate its interface, hate its stupid data collection by default, and the list goes on

just my 2 cents worth

 

[Virgorising]

After using Pale Moon for a while then using Firefox, I ran back to Pale Moon I can't stand Firefox anymore, hate its slow browsing speed of webpage loading, hate its interface, hate its stupid data collection by default, and the list goes on

just my 2 cents worth

We get FX makes U nauseated!()

Ever consider uninstalling it?

 

[Virgorising]

K....here is the best example of how shallow I can be I can think of: I just discovered there is an uber ,beta enhancement for my beloved LavaFox red! I had to get a special style installer add on called "Stylish 1.3.3" to get it and install it in FX, and it does not work in my new Pale Moon, this FABULOUS new thing, only in FX.

But I am soooo crazy about it, for this enhancement alone, I think I will keep FX but still use PM as my default browser.

Yes! SHALLOW!() I LUV IT, bite me. IS THIS NOT AMAZING??????:biggrin:

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