Pakistani Judge Orders Blinding by Acid

[DragonMasterAlex]

Oh yes, JP, I do forget: America is the worst, most barbarous nation in the world, it's just that the rampant suffering and brutality in the streets is covered up by the media.

:roll:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Oh yes, JP, I do forget: America is the worst, most barbarous nation in the world, it's just that the rampant suffering and brutality in the streets is covered up by the media.

:roll:

Of course, I forgot that men in the US don't brutalize their women. That only happens in Muslim countries.

 

[kage69]

Hey they are our valued ally in the region.

Ask me if I give a fvck.

Our 'allies' routinely talk sh!t about us, I'm not about to pass up some reciprocity.

 

[kage69]

Of course, I forgot that men in the US don't brutalize their women. That only happens in Muslim countries.

Brutalize? Yes, American women sadly are still subject to domestic violence, but in all fairness it's NEVER been socially acceptable to maim a woman with carbolic acid over an argument or sexual rejection. Don't know about you, but I see a huge difference.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There are two facts to the sentence that warrant consideration. One is that the punishment is brutal and done in public. The other is that where such forms of justice are swift, consistent and sure, the crime rate is almost non existent. There won't be any communal blindings by impulsive boys of their girlfriends where these kids are from for a long long time. Think of it as preemptive war on misogyny.

I must agree with that logic.

The crime committed by this jerk and his brothers was unspeakably cruel. I wouldn't have a problem with all 3 of them being publicly blinded as a reminder that people caught doing this type thing will be forced to account for their actions.

In the USA the man would be given probation and be sent to "anger management" classes. Some things are better handled in a barbaric nature.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well the issue for me, Crazyfool, is whether such punishment is barbaric. If the reality of such punishments as are present in Islamic law leads to a practically crime free society and the almost nonexistant need to carry out such punishment, isn't that less barbaric than a society which pretends to a higher nobility but is riddled with crime. These are profound and difficult issues and I wanted to raise the issue.

 

[DealMonkey]

Who are we to call the Pakistanis barbaric or "savages?" In the U.S., we kill people for all kinds of reasons. Usually, we just kill you if you kill someone else. Stooping down to the killers level for sure. Oh, and then there's the unintended death sentences where we sentence you to 5 yrs or 10 yrs or perhaps just 6 months ... but when you go to prison, you're killed by gang members. Or perhaps, more insidiously, you're raped by bubbas who just happen to have AIDS. How about that? You've been given a death sentence when all you should have done was 6 months. Sick.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Who are we to call the Pakistanis barbaric or "savages?" In the U.S., we kill people for all kinds of reasons. Usually, we just kill you if you kill someone else. Stooping down to the killers level for sure. Oh, and then there's the unintended death sentences where we sentence you to 5 yrs or 10 yrs or perhaps just 6 months ... but when you go to prison, you're killed by gang members. Or perhaps, more insidiously, you're raped by bubbas who just happen to have AIDS. How about that? You've been given a death sentence when all you should have done was 6 months. Sick.

Uh, actually in the US capital punishment can only be assessed if you are convicted of murder with aggravating circumstances.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: kage69

Of course, I forgot that men in the US don't brutalize their women. That only happens in Muslim countries.

Brutalize? Yes, American women sadly are still subject to domestic violence, but in all fairness it's NEVER been socially acceptable to maim a woman with carbolic acid over an argument or sexual rejection. Don't know about you, but I see a huge difference.

If it was socially acceptable, why are the people responsible being punished?

 

[Bleep]

Uh, actually in the US capital punishment can only be assessed if you are convicted of murder with aggravating circumstances.

This is a false statement. Their are several federal crimes that are death penalty elgable anong those are Treason and Kidnapping.

Bleep

 

[ReiAyanami]

altho performing it at a sports stadium is barbaric.

as compared to playing sports in which 300lbs men smash into each

although i don't see how its particularly cruel as the punishment is exactly equal to what the man did.

 

[kage69]

If it was socially acceptable, why are the people responsible being punished?

It's the violence against women that is socially accepted over there, whereas the medium used is subject to debate. Women in some parts of Pakistan are generally assaulted more or ostracized for reporting rapes, mutilation, or beatings. Perhaps international outcry over these things is having an affect. I believe those that participated in that 'court' ordered gang rape of that one girl awhile ago were themselves later punished.

When I was eleven I saw our Pakistani gardener Mustaffa slap the hell out of his new wife, repeatedly. My mother was so upset she couldn't look at him for days, and repeatedly pressured my dad to fire him. He did end up having a talk with him, saying to the effect, 'If you're going to live on my property (they occupied a seperate, smaller abode behind our villa) there will be no more of that.' A short time later, a burglar entered our house one night and made off with some of my mom's jewelry and 800 riyals my dad had in a cigar box. Mustaffa quit soon after and left the country for Karachi. While we had no proof he robbed us, my dad thought he was furious over being told how to treat his wife and did suspect him of the theft.

 

[kage69]

as compared to playing sports in which 300lbs men smash into each

Waitasec, you're comparing pro football with people getting dragged out into stadium and blinded for life with acid? I'm not saying the bastard didn't deserve it, that just seems like a pretty weak comparison.
The Taliban carried out some pretty horrible punishments in stadiums too (women getting popped with AKs in front of their families, men getting their throats cut by their actual brothers) is that somehow comparable to 300lb men tackling eachother, with the occasional light injury?

 

[nutxo]

Gives a new twist to "eye for an eye"

that phrase is referring to harming an unborn child and is no longer relevant since we have become enlightened to the fact that a fetus is not truly a life as opposed to a person.

 

[JImmyK]

This is a VERY difficult concept for people to understand but you CAN NOT! compare countries ESPECIALLY ones that are as discordant as Pakistan and America. Your comparing a 3rd world nation thats been around for about 50-60 years? to the elite force of this millienia? the pinnacle of a basic form of sub-utopia? You just cant do that.

Having lived in both countries and many others inbetween I have come to realize that we may be on one planet BUT each country LITERALLY is a different world all together.

Pakistan needs a more swifter system of justice for its current state of being. In time I am sure things will change but for now it is what must be done, but is hardly practiced by any.

You cant read about other countries in books and magazines it is just not enough, you have to live in a place, you have to see it, you have to feel it.