Pakistan should conduct surgical strikes inside Afghanistan

[The Green Bean]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...n.militants/index.html

So much for blaming Pakistan for granting safe haven to the taliban. NATO and USAF are equally helpless in preventing cross border attacks from their side of the border. This is intolerable and we should fire missiles across the border.

 

[Taejin]

You are pathetic

 

[Whitecloak]

the irony. who is paying you to post the beloved patriot propaganda here?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Whitecloak
the irony. who is paying you to post the beloved patriot propaganda here?

Let me see if I can get my arms around that one, when whitecloak posts US propaganda or distortions, its fair, but when TheGreenBean can't share a news event and post an opinion perhaps shared by 200 million people, whitecloak dons the censorship hat and starts saying holier than thou.

But if you think about the event posted, its simply means the native people in the region aided by foreign fighters are simply fighting back against any military because they are tired of competing armies making their homeland into a shooting gallery. And Gee, they don't respect any borders drawn by foreign map makers. What total frauds, cheaters, and poltroons, they really should be content to fight back fairly with the planes and tanks they don't have. Or contentedly stand as a blessed rain of bombs come down.

And if the Taliban has enough popular support, a combined Nato and Pakistani army with perfect command and control is simply not going to be even 1/4 big enough to ever control either Afghanistan or the tribal areas of Pakistan.

The irony of it all, the Pakistani army and Nato tarred with the same brush. Guess it makes us allies after all.

 

[StageLeft]

I can't see the link on BlackBerry but GB lives in Pakistan. Fwiw I think his alterior viewpoints are often worth consideration, since many of us are otherwise substantially influened by domestic forces. If nothing else he humanizes Pakistan, since it can be so easy to objectify these nations with which we so often demonize.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...n.militants/index.html

So much for blaming Pakistan for granting safe haven to the taliban. NATO and USAF are equally helpless in preventing cross border attacks from their side of the border. This is intolerable and we should fire missiles across the border.

Please do so. Take out those locations where the militants are located.

And this is what many people have been expecting of PAkistan. To actively seek out the militants.
It is being shown that they will attack anywhere, therefore they should not be granted safe haven.

Now that Pakistan is seeing the results of toleration, they are starting to have a different view of what they are allowing.


Let Pakistan sweep in trom one side and NATO from the other and they militants can be crushed in a vice.
It becomes a win win both both PAkistan and NATO.

 

[palehorse]

Do you think we'd argue against such strikes?! Hell no! It sounds great to me! It's about damn time your military starts to do something proactive besides sitting in their bases launching indiscriminate artillery shells into the hills.

Then again, unlike Pakistan, all you really need to do is give us the coordinates, and any Taliban we find at the locations are as good as dead! (What happens when we provide Pakistan with coordinates for AQ or Taliban bases? Those bases "mysteriously" relocate within hours... profound difference, I'd say)

But yeah, it's nice to see your guys getting motivated to really fight... are you planning to sign up and help TGB?

 

[tvarad]

For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

 

[brownzilla786]

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Do you think we'd argue against such strikes?! Hell no! It sounds great to me! It's about damn time your military starts to do something proactive besides sitting in their bases launching indiscriminate artillery shells into the hills.

Then again, unlike Pakistan, all you really need to do is give us the coordinates, and any Taliban we find at the locations are as good as dead! (What happens when we provide Pakistan with coordinates for AQ or Taliban bases? Those bases "mysteriously" relocate within hours... profound difference, I'd say)

But yeah, it's nice to see your guys getting motivated to really fight... are you planning to sign up and help TGB?

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Wonderful plan, just the way to get 100% of the people in Afghanistan and Pakistan to support the Tailban. Because it would only create even more anarchy and almost 100% of the Nato and Pakistani military retaliation would fall on civilians while making the whole region into a shooting gallery.

Get a clue, the Taliban is a reactionary idea and a ideological cure for Western abuses, and as such, the only way to defeat an idea is present a better and more viable idea. We have failed because we have not even started to implement those
ideas or make them viable, and we are playing into the Taliban's characterization of us by trying to kill our way out of the problem.

What those people above all want is an orderly society, and what we have given them is corruption, chaos, and a broken government for seven years now. And in areas under Taliban control, they at least know that some sort of justice prevails. And the rich and more corrupt don't get richer in a system where everything works by bribes. Can't pay the bribe money, and you own nothing.

Yes I agree, the Taliban do not fit into a modern world, but they better fit the world of the Afghans and those in the Pakistani tribal regions than Nato does. But cheer up, the world Nato has created in Afghanistan allows Nato to function militarily, but it makes political progress or social progress impossible. And also explains why our military leadership does not have these grim realities on their radar screen, but in the ideological battle for hearts and minds, our understanding compass is pointed 180 degrees off of true North and has been for seven years running.

Its why we in Nato and the USA are losing, and there is something very wrong with that picture. And its been my thesis, for four years running now on P&N, until we get our radar screens focused on what we need to do to win, we will keep failing. Petraeus has said it quite clearly, we can't kill our way out of the problem. But that statement does little to implement anything, but it does show how wrong many on this forum are.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse
Do you think we'd argue against such strikes?! Hell no! It sounds great to me! It's about damn time your military starts to do something proactive besides sitting in their bases launching indiscriminate artillery shells into the hills.

Then again, unlike Pakistan, all you really need to do is give us the coordinates, and any Taliban we find at the locations are as good as dead! (What happens when we provide Pakistan with coordinates for AQ or Taliban bases? Those bases "mysteriously" relocate within hours... profound difference, I'd say)

But yeah, it's nice to see your guys getting motivated to really fight... are you planning to sign up and help TGB?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wonderful plan, just the way to get 100% of the people in Afghanistan and Pakistan to support the Tailban. Because it would only create even more anarchy and almost 100% of the Nato and Pakistani military retaliation would fall on civilians while making the whole region into a shooting gallery.

Get a clue, the Taliban is a reactionary idea and a ideological cure for Western abuses, and as such, the only way to defeat an idea is present a better and more viable idea. We have failed because we have not even started to implement those
ideas or make them viable, and we are playing into the Taliban's characterization of us by trying to kill our way out of the problem.

What those people above all want is an orderly society, and what we have given them is corruption, chaos, and a broken government for seven years now. And in areas under Taliban control, they at least know that some sort of justice prevails. And the rich and more corrupt don't get richer in a system where everything works by bribes. Can't pay the bribe money, and you own nothing.

Yes I agree, the Taliban do not fit into a modern world, but they better fit the world of the Afghans and those in the Pakistani tribal regions than Nato does. But cheer up, the world Nato has created in Afghanistan allows Nato to function militarily, but it makes political progress or social progress impossible. And also explains why our military leadership does not have these grim realities on their radar screen, but in the ideological battle for hearts and minds, our understanding compass is pointed 180 degrees off of true North and has been for seven years running.

Its why we in Nato and the USA are losing, and there is something very wrong with that picture. And its been my thesis, for four years running now on P&N, until we get our radar screens focused on what we need to do to win, we will keep failing. Petraeus has said it quite clearly, we can't kill our way out of the problem. But that statement does little to implement anything, but it does show how wrong many on this forum are.

Lemon Law,
Bribery is a way of life in that part of the world. Bribery is part of the American world too, only people at the lower level rarely see it (see the Blagoyevich case). Actually, In fact, bribery to get things done is much better than religious ideology which provides a false sense of stability by stifling almost anything that's considered normal human behavior. A civilized world's driving force is commerce, not religion.

As for the Taliban fitting better with that part of the world, it's like saying that the gangs of East L.A. form a better fit in that city where civilian government has just not been effective.

Patreaus has said that Afghanistan and Pakistan are the same problem. I agree with him on that. Pakistan has to be fixed along with Afghanistan. The only question is whether they will be able to wean it's generals off the drugs of instigating violence and instability in the area so that they can maintain their hold on that wretched country.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...n.militants/index.html

So much for blaming Pakistan for granting safe haven to the taliban. NATO and USAF are equally helpless in preventing cross border attacks from their side of the border. This is intolerable and we should fire missiles across the border.

Pakistan can't even come up with enough money to pay for toilet paper. Throwing rocks across the border is not going to accomplish anything.

 

[Lemon law]

Then maybe Ozoned can explain what happened to all the multi billion dollars of GWB bribe money in the form of military aid to Pakistan. Believe it or not, it went to bulk up the Pakistani military.

Go ahead, blame Pakistan for its role in helping to create the Taliban, its about as effective as blaming the first idiot who imported cute little bunny rabbits into Australia, as those same bunny rabbits multiplied exponentially and overran an entire continent.

And no Tvarad, " Bribery is a way of life in that part of the world." exists as only a part of your distorted revisionist history fantasy, if there is one thing the Taliban excelled at, and the single reason they rose to power, is the fact they did not tolerate a bribery pay to play.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

Such emotion... such passion! But, you won't lay down your life to eradicate terrorism in your own backyard?!

That just about says it all...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

Hey, explain to us why your intelligence is helping the CIA/US army kill these rabid assholes in your country?


"Although the airstrikes have caused protests in Pakistan, intelligence exchanges between Islamabad and the CIA appear to have greatly improved since the sacking in September of Lieutenant-General Nadeem Taj, the head of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...sia/article5484941.ece



Your own country is feeding us the intel on these strikes. Our assets on the ground are not that good. It is inside info.



How does that make you feel?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

Hey, explain to us why your intelligence is helping the CIA/US army kill these rabid assholes in your country?


"Although the airstrikes have caused protests in Pakistan, intelligence exchanges between Islamabad and the CIA appear to have greatly improved since the sacking in September of Lieutenant-General Nadeem Taj, the head of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...sia/article5484941.ece



Your own country is feeding us the intel on these strikes. Our assets on the ground are not that good. It is inside info.



How does that make you feel?

Honestly? I used to be angered by USA strikes about a year ago against these "terrorists." But after the Marriot bombings and countless other events plaguing us like terrorists blowing up pipelines and what not; I'm happy that they do it. I think my army isn't doing enough. WTH? They spend billions on defense and let terrorists control areas on the Northwest!

However India is a totally different matter. The militancy in Kashmir is homegrown. Ask the Kashmiris; in both sides of the border; they hate Indian control over their land. Look at the crimes the Indian government and army is committing there. Yet nobody seems to care; just like in Palestine. However a recent article suggested that the Kashmiris are now adopting a non-violent approach now. Instead of using guns; they are coming out to the streets in their thousands. This is a bigger threat to Indian control because it gives them no basis for revenge. So what do they do? Fire at unarmed protesters. Popular belief is that India made such a big deal of the Mumbai attacks was to divert attention from Kashmir.

Funny thing is they have rejected our calls for going to the Security council and UN for a resolution on Kashmir. Now they are running in circles trying to get us listed as a terrorist state - like that will ever happen! :roll: Anyways once they go to the UN; they will be forced to listen to it on the Kashmir issue and Water Treaties as well. So let's see what happens.

And India is anything but liberal when it comes to treating minorities. It's brutalities would put Saddam to shame. The Gujrat riots and massacre against muslims were state sponsored with government officials boasting the number of muslims they killed. - it's all on youtube nowadays. The Kashmir massacres are likewise. And in regards to jobs. Biases are everywhere.

And the Indian media! It's worse than Fox. I mean seriously. You don't call upon your countrymen to be angry at a nuclear armed neighbor within hours of an attack. The pressing issue was minimizing casualties and the media were beating war drums.

America should know that if India attacks us in any way; the Afghan war will be all but lost.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

I hate that s**tty country because of the way it's siphoned off the immense energy of the sub-continent for such destructive causes. And I don't have to do anything about it, you're right. Because Pakistan will implode from within.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: brownzilla786

Originally posted by: tvarad
For decades, Pakistan has had no respect for the borders of it's neighbors. It is high time it got a taste of it's own medicine. And frankly, I think Pakistan should be dismantled and it's constituent parts either handed over to Afghanistan, India or made free to be independent states.

Gee what a great idea! Give land to India, the Pakistani peoples mortal enemy and give land to Afghanistan, a country that is worth a clump of dirt. Great things will happen then😕

Of course it's a great idea. Countries with strong ethnic constituencies need loose federalism to work. Pakistan simply has not been able to achieve it. Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP are Punjabi colonies and are better off being cut loose from Punjab. That would probably be the first step towards resolving the Pakistani imbroglio that is causing so many headaches in places where it's name should not even come up.

The current setup favors only one set of people: the generalissimos who run Pakistan who are predominantly Punjabi.

You really hate Pakistan don't you. Too bad you can't do anything about it. So fuck off. I'd lay down my life before I became part of India or Afghanistan.

Hey, explain to us why your intelligence is helping the CIA/US army kill these rabid assholes in your country?


"Although the airstrikes have caused protests in Pakistan, intelligence exchanges between Islamabad and the CIA appear to have greatly improved since the sacking in September of Lieutenant-General Nadeem Taj, the head of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...sia/article5484941.ece



Your own country is feeding us the intel on these strikes. Our assets on the ground are not that good. It is inside info.



How does that make you feel?

Honestly? I used to be angered by USA strikes about a year ago against these "terrorists." But after the Marriot bombings and countless other events plaguing us like terrorists blowing up pipelines and what not; I'm happy that they do it. I think my army isn't doing enough. WTH? They spend billions on defense and let terrorists control areas on the Northwest!

However India is a totally different matter. The militancy in Kashmir is homegrown. Ask the Kashmiris; in both sides of the border; they hate Indian control over their land. Look at the crimes the Indian government and army is committing there. Yet nobody seems to care; just like in Palestine. However a recent article suggested that the Kashmiris are now adopting a non-violent approach now. Instead of using guns; they are coming out to the streets in their thousands. This is a bigger threat to Indian control because it gives them no basis for revenge. So what do they do? Fire at unarmed protesters. Popular belief is that India made such a big deal of the Mumbai attacks was to divert attention from Kashmir.

Funny thing is they have rejected our calls for going to the Security council and UN for a resolution on Kashmir. Now they are running in circles trying to get us listed as a terrorist state - like that will ever happen! :roll: Anyways once they go to the UN; they will be forced to listen to it on the Kashmir issue and Water Treaties as well. So let's see what happens.

And India is anything but liberal when it comes to treating minorities. It's brutalities would put Saddam to shame. The Gujrat riots and massacre against muslims were state sponsored with government officials boasting the number of muslims they killed. - it's all on youtube nowadays. The Kashmir massacres are likewise. And in regards to jobs. Biases are everywhere.

And the Indian media! It's worse than Fox. I mean seriously. You don't call upon your countrymen to be angry at a nuclear armed neighbor within hours of an attack. The pressing issue was minimizing casualties and the media were beating war drums.

America should know that if India attacks us in any way; the Afghan war will be all but lost.

Everyone except Pakistanis know that Kashmir is a lost cause for them. In fact, Pakistan itself is a lost cause that's surviving on the begging bowl. All you can teach Kashmiris is how to hold the begging bowl in front of the IMF and other world bodies. Why on earth would they want to have anything to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis?

As for Indian Muslims, those who work hard, persevere and work within the system are getting ahead in life. Come over to my average middle-class neighborhood and I'll show you a couple of Muslim bungalows with a couple of Mercs parked in the garage.

It's only a whiney-cat vestige that thinks itself above any sort of secular society that is creating so many problems for fellow Muslims, not just in India but throughout the world. It's credibility is now basically zero just like yours. Which should be great for mainstream Muslims.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: tvarad
I hate that s**tty country because of the way it's siphoned off the immense energy of the sub-continent for such destructive causes. And I don't have to do anything about it, you're right. Because Pakistan will implode from within.

India's progress is tied to Pakistan's. India has made enemies on all sides and better cooperation between everybody can only benefit each of them. If India wants to become an economic superpower it has to act like one. I'm afraid that Indian propaganda has poisoned the world let alone its own citizens.

Tvarad; you can't do anything to Pakistan. So look; and despair.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Everyone except Pakistanis know that Kashmir is a lost cause for them. In fact, Pakistan itself is a lost cause that's surviving on the begging bowl. All you can teach Kashmiris is how to hold the begging bowl in front of the IMF and other world bodies. Why on earth would they want to have anything to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis?

As for Indian Muslims, those who work hard, persevere and work within the system are getting ahead in life. Come over to my average middle-class neighborhood and I'll show you a couple of Muslim bungalows with a couple of Mercs parked in the garage.

It's only a whiney-cat vestige that thinks itself above any sort of secular society that is creating so many problems for fellow Muslims, not just in India but throughout the world. It's credibility is now basically zero just like yours. Which should be great for mainstream Muslims.

You don't understand economics. The main reason we had to ask for a loan was because we imported too much. Our imports grew faster than our exports. The problem was that the Pakistanis were over-liberal when it came to imports. I could pretty much buy anything I wanted without much duty or taxes.

Our per capita GDP is on almost on par with Inda. You are as poor as we are; so fuck off. My city of Karachi of 15 million has a per capita GDP of $8000 and a total GDP of $270billion. That's anything but poor. Come to my neighborhood and I'll show you my mercs.

Even the average middle-class American doesn't have mercs let alone the Indian middle class. I see a lot more Mercs, BMWs, Porches driving in the rich areas of my city than Colaba, Mumbai if that means anything!

Also; what you say is utter bullshit. I have many muslim friends and family in India who complain of bias. I had previously pointed to a link where they claimed that now they want separate neighborhoods for muslums. My friends and family say they are unable to acquire flats in the rich areas of mumbai because they are muslims. It's all open. They have quotas for mulsims. No more than x% of muslims in this building. You can claim whatever you like. But that's the fact.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad
I hate that s**tty country because of the way it's siphoned off the immense energy of the sub-continent for such destructive causes. And I don't have to do anything about it, you're right. Because Pakistan will implode from within.

India's progress is tied to Pakistan's. India has made enemies on all sides and better cooperation between everybody can only benefit each of them. If India wants to become an economic superpower it has to act like one. I'm afraid that Indian propaganda has poisoned the world let alone its own citizens.

Tvarad; you can't do anything to Pakistan. So look; and despair.

Countries like Pakistan remind me of the Peter Sellers movie, the Mouse That Roared where Peter Sellers leads his tiny bankrupt European Duchy to war against the U.S. so that he could lose and thus qualify for post WWII aid. Pakistan's actions are very similar in that they want to perpetually pimp themselves to the U.S. so that they can siphon off money in the name of "Cold War Ally", "War on Terror Ally" etc..

You ought to respect India because Indians are the only ones who give you any time of day. Everyone else, Americans, Arabs, Afghans, Uighirs you name them are using your backside while you wag your member at us.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: tvarad
Everyone except Pakistanis know that Kashmir is a lost cause for them. In fact, Pakistan itself is a lost cause that's surviving on the begging bowl. All you can teach Kashmiris is how to hold the begging bowl in front of the IMF and other world bodies. Why on earth would they want to have anything to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis?

As for Indian Muslims, those who work hard, persevere and work within the system are getting ahead in life. Come over to my average middle-class neighborhood and I'll show you a couple of Muslim bungalows with a couple of Mercs parked in the garage.

It's only a whiney-cat vestige that thinks itself above any sort of secular society that is creating so many problems for fellow Muslims, not just in India but throughout the world. It's credibility is now basically zero just like yours. Which should be great for mainstream Muslims.

You don't understand economics. The main reason we had to ask for a loan was because we imported too much. Our imports grew faster than our exports. The problem was that the Pakistanis were over-liberal when it came to imports. I could pretty much buy anything I wanted without much duty or taxes.

..

WTF do you guys export? Even the little you exported has now ground to a halt because your compatriots have stunk up your country. Your main export is terrorism.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
....

Our per capita GDP is on almost on par with Inda. You are as poor as we are; so fuck off. My city of Karachi of 15 million has a per capita GDP of $8000 and a total GDP of $270billion. That's anything but poor. Come to my neighborhood and I'll show you my mercs.

Even the average middle-class American doesn't have mercs let alone the Indian middle class. I see a lot more Mercs, BMWs, Porches driving in the rich areas of my city than Colaba, Mumbai if that means anything!

.....

Do they wear white suits, gold chains and bracelets, diamonds in their teeth like pimps in their rides? Because the only way I can think of that Pakistanis make money is to pimp themselves to the Americans, bin Laden, Saudis and everyone else in between. Or steal wholesale like they do Bollywood movies and sell them in the Pakistani market.