Paging DESCARTES!!!!!! Need wine info............

redgtxdi

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So I found a case of wine in the garage that I didn't know was there. Unfortunately, I remember getting it & it was from 2 years ago!

No problem in a mild climate, however it was regularly over 100' F quite a few days for the last coulpe summers.

Wine box was full of about a half-dozen whites and half-dozen reds......(Zins, Merlots, Chardonnays, etc. etc.)

Are the wines still OK?? Does it matter?? Reds OK, Whites toast?? Whites OK, Reds toast?

Just curious. I wouldn't mind crackin' 'em open if they're still OK.

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At that sort of temperature I would expect to see wine leaking around the corks - or some of the corks pushed out of the bottles. They are almost certainly heat damaged (both whites and reds) BUT you can still drink them. If they taste OK drink them up - if they don't then pour them down the sink. Even if they taste bad they will not harm you (well no more than any other wine if you drink too much of it) so go ahead and open them up....

 

redgtxdi

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Done! (We'll see how quick Descartes is on a Friday...... :p )



Also, I don't recall seeing any leakage at the corks, but I'll check 'em out well once I get home & then maybe I'll even take some pics.

Who knows..........maybe this thread will teach us sumfin'.........Naaaahhhhhhhhhh..... :D
 

redgtxdi

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Originally posted by: CaffeineAndStuff
Even if they taste bad they will not harm you (well no more than any other wine if you drink too much of it)


You can drink too much?? :confused:


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spidey07

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Originally posted by: CaffeineAndStuff
At that sort of temperature I would expect to see wine leaking around the corks - or some of the corks pushed out of the bottles. They are almost certainly heat damaged (both whites and reds) BUT you can still drink them. If they taste OK drink them up - if they don't then pour them down the sink. Even if they taste bad they will not harm you (well no more than any other wine if you drink too much of it) so go ahead and open them up....

Agreed. You'll see some leakage into the cork. The temp could have excelerated the process.

You'll never know until you open one up, let it breathe a good long while and taste it. If nothing else, use it for a dressing and cook with it.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Done! (We'll see how quick Descartes is on a Friday...... :p )



Also, I don't recall seeing any leakage at the corks, but I'll check 'em out well once I get home & then maybe I'll even take some pics.

Who knows..........maybe this thread will teach us sumfin'.........Naaaahhhhhhhhhh..... :D

Not too quick apparently; Friday's are nights to spend the evening with conversation and wine :) Had a few interesting Chilean bottles night.

Anyway, onto your question. The bottles are likely in bad shape. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you stored them upright, so leaks aren't likely to be a problem. I'm also assuming that these are natural corks (as opposed to synthetics or screwcaps), so the cork alone likely gives you the following potential problems:

1) It's oxidized. This occurs in bottles with too low an SO2 content and/or simply too much oxygen. A dry cork doesn't have a proper seal, so more oxygen can interact with the ethanol in the wine over any period of time. When oxygen strips away an oxygen molecule of ethanol you have acetyldehyde (I think... I forget exactly), and that will make the wine taste sharp; in addition, the fruit will be entirely muted. In short, it will be undrinkable.

2) Aceto-bacter contamination. You'll know this immediately because it will smell like vinegar. Don't think you can pour it over your salads though; a "wild" (i.e. not innoculated under controlled conditions) vinegar isn't exactly palatable.

3) Corked. This could happen regardless of storage conditions for the most part, but the bottles could be corked. Google around for "corked wine" and you'll find more information. You'll know this pretty quickly because it smells like a damp basement, wet newspaper, etc.

Ok, for the most part, the above two issues occur only with cork failures. If you're storing upright and/or you have a non-natural cork closure, you've minimized the potential for these problems.

Finally, the next few problems could have occurred as a result of the storage conditions.

3) Sulfur/Mercaptan problems. If they are unfiltered wines there's a chance of there being latent yeast, and on rare occasions this yeast will continue to ferment under some conditions. When yeast are stressed (i.e. they're in a nutritional deficit, mainly lack of nitrogen, high temperature) they release by-products in larger quantities. One by-product is sulfur, so if it smells like rotten eggs you'll know this immediately. This is a slim, slim chance as 99% of wines are either filtered or the yeast is spent. Just thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

4) Maderized. This isn't the Portuguese Madeira either, but it might taste similar. It will probably smell like dried fruits and taste like almonds. Sometimes a carmel flavor is apparent. Sometimes it actually tastes good, but one thing is certain: It won't taste anything like it's supposed to :)

That's about it. I'd be willing to bet the bottles aren't worth drinking, but you might as well at least sample them and learn a little more about the faults that you can find in wines. That in itself can be an interesting experience.

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redgtxdi

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Thanks!


I forgot to mention that I checked the bottles and while they all look as good as new, I'll still be curious about the wine itself.

What kinda' ticks me off is that I remember there was some 2001 Petite Sirah (with which I'm totally unfamiliar) that I was supposed to report on & now it might be ruined.........grrrrr.

Well, there are 3 bottles so maybe a chance.

There's also a May Wine in there. Wanted to try that one too. Oh well........we'll see.

I'll post back when I've cracked a bottle open.