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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
wait a second.

so in theory the best performance car is a dragster.

0-??? in like 2 seconds. 1/4 mile in 6 or less i forget.

???-15 in just a few (parachutes)

handle like they are on rails when going straight 😀

No the best car is the one that goes the fastest on an everyday basis.

Drag racers and other silly redneck machinery I do not like. Those are just shells with engines in them.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: brigden
Because Ferrari is a brand. They need to sell product at the right price point to remain competitive and profitable. A company like Pagani manufacture very few cars and sell them at a very high price. On the other hand, Ferrari manufactures and sells thousands of cars.

Exactly, they are not focused on performance, they are focused on making money.

They're not here to impress anyone with stats, they want to impress with looks and the nameplate.

Not quite.

They need to sell specific models to a specific target market. People that want performance and the Ferrari name. They also sell cars that appeal to the individual that wants the ultimate machine, but one that is still a vehicle one can use frequently.

They aren't the world's best performing vehicles, but to say they aren't focused on performance is lunacy.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Xanis
Are you joking? So what you're saying is that a V-12 is NO about performance? That the fact that the Enzo is basically a street-legal race production car, is NOT about performance? That Ferrari has numerous victories at LeMans and other races, is NOT about performance? Put down the bong please.

V12s are NOT about performance, I used to own one. I had a 1994 Jaguar XJS Coupe. V12 engine. It was not, in any way, about performance.

Nice, comparing a V12 from a Jaguar to the V12 in an Enzo.
 
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Xanis
Are you joking? So what you're saying is that a V-12 is NO about performance? That the fact that the Enzo is basically a street-legal race production car, is NOT about performance? That Ferrari has numerous victories at LeMans and other races, is NOT about performance? Put down the bong please.

V12s are NOT about performance, I used to own one. I had a 1994 Jaguar XJS Coupe. V12 engine. It was not, in any way, about performance.

Nice, comparing a V12 from a Jaguar to the V12 in an Enzo.

It's still a twelve cylinder engine. Xanis implied all V12s were meant for sports car-like performance.

I implied, just because you have a V12, doesn't mean you car can move.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Xanis
Are you joking? So what you're saying is that a V-12 is NO about performance? That the fact that the Enzo is basically a street-legal race production car, is NOT about performance? That Ferrari has numerous victories at LeMans and other races, is NOT about performance? Put down the bong please.

V12s are NOT about performance, I used to own one. I had a 1994 Jaguar XJS Coupe. V12 engine. It was not, in any way, about performance.

Nice, comparing a V12 from a Jaguar to the V12 in an Enzo.

It's still a twelve cylinder engine. Xanis implied all V12s were meant for sports car-like performance.

I implied, just because you have a V12, doesn't mean you car can move.

Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.
 
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.

If you think the F430 is a super car, you know nothing about cars.

A Ferrari salesman wouldn't even go as far to tell you it's a super car.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.

If you think the F430 is a super car, you know nothing about cars.

A Ferrari salesman wouldn't even go as far to tell you it's a super car.

I don't know much about cars 😛
 
To JLGatsby:


wow. I really don't know what to write. Your responses are so wayward, so arrogant, so utterly ignorant that it seems that you are not an engineer at heart.

To know what a supercar is, you need not think like only an engineer, but also like a poet as well.

Supercars, at least in my humble and debatedly limited opinion, are about the unclassifiable. That spirit, that challenge, that style.


Lingenfelter died in what appeared to be a 600-800hp Cavalier. He was an exception. Such effort, and heart, and musscle was put into his machines that when they rolled off the line, they were the epitome of beauty, the epitome of musscle, and debately, the essence of a supercar. They were so ridiculous, so utterly insane, and yet so suave looking that they deserved to be ordained by no other name than Ligenfelters.


Ferrari is a very different animal, but similar. Ferrari is about passion. Ferrari is about over the top brilliance in an undeniably gorgeous package. Civility at 200mph is what I would call it. Riding on a fireball while still being able to drink tea or get a blowjob from your loving wife (watch out for the back end slipping right from under you during that one...😉 I am talking about the rear axle mind you😉 ) When you realize what they have done, how they constantly pushed the limits of style and substance never keeling over at one benchmark but heading head first in to all, you start to understand what they represent.

Dude, that ****** douche at the dealer is that, a fvking douche.

The essence of Ferrari are not something a saleman probably knows anything about. Perhaps the owner of the dealer or even perhaps, jsut maybe the buyer, but no one else in that establishment.


I could go on rambling about this and that, but I will try my best to sum it up quickly.


Ferrari, hell even the old Alfa's(the REALLY OLD ones😛), , Ford GT40s, Lambourgini's (originated because of a ferrari employee....), Lingenfelter's,and Pagani's are the definition of supercars.


****
Of course these days Alfa's are rev limited to 80mph and meet your local Fuel emmissions requirement..😱
****

All of these cars are beatable by 800hp Chevies, but shows why these remain the best of the very best.

Simple unaccompanied brute force or aunaccompanied artistic with leave anything else remaining sub-par

It is these cars that drove greats like Shelby to do what they did. This man, in a fvking barn mind you, unseated a legend all because he wanted to tune his own engine. These machines are the epitome of human creation. Creative aspects of all the fields are there for all to see and for all to wonder over.

Maybe this discussion is futile because it is a personal state of mind that allows for a such a definition, but to me a supercar is something that demonstrates longevity, pride, success, arrogance, determination, joy, love and, most importantly, pleasure.


Suck it all down bitch.:laugh:







^---I just couldn't stand back idly as he called my red heartthrobs by any other name besides their god given ones😱


😀

 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.

If you think the F430 is a super car, you know nothing about cars.

A Ferrari salesman wouldn't even go as far to tell you it's a super car.

I have to laugh at that statement that is all. Just the fact that it's coming from a noob (and probably a 14yr old kid).
 
Originally posted by: czech09
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.

If you think the F430 is a super car, you know nothing about cars.

A Ferrari salesman wouldn't even go as far to tell you it's a super car.

I have to laugh at that statement that is all. Just the fact that it's coming from a noob (and probably a 14yr old kid).

Noob at what? Because I registered at a later date, all the sudden I'm a "noob"?

I am in my twenties.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: czech09
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Now that you've clarified that, I think your views on Ferarri not being a supercar company is a bit far fetched. I loved the Enzo and no matter what anyone says, the F430 is a supercar IMO.

If you think the F430 is a super car, you know nothing about cars.

A Ferrari salesman wouldn't even go as far to tell you it's a super car.

I have to laugh at that statement that is all. Just the fact that it's coming from a noob (and probably a 14yr old kid).

Noob at what? Because I registered at a later date, all the sudden I'm a "noob"?

By all means forgive him.

He meant that he is laughing because your comments sound so ignorant and pompish, even fvking bombastic🙂
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
By all means forgive him.

He meant that he is laughing because your comments sound so ignorant and pompish, even fvking bombastic🙂

He's just jealous. 😀
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
By all means forgive him.

He meant that he is laughing because your comments sound so ignorant and pompish, even fvking bombastic🙂

He's just jealous. 😀

It's all good since you end up like Tony Montana😉
 
Pagani has one car that has basically all of the companies focus.

Ferrari has many production cars and quite a few other facets of automobile industry to focus on.

They both make beautiful cars.
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
To JLGatsby:


wow. I really don't know what to write. Your responses are so wayward, so arrogant, so utterly ignorant that it seems that you are not an engineer at heart.

To know what a supercar is, you need not think like only an engineer, but also like a poet as well.

Supercars, at least in my humble and debatedly limited opinion, are about the unclassifiable. That spirit, that challenge, that style.


Lingenfelter died in what appeared to be a 600-800hp Cavalier. He was an exception. Such effort, and heart, and musscle was put into his machines that when they rolled off the line, they were the epitome of beauty, the epitome of musscle, and debately, the essence of a supercar. They were so ridiculous, so utterly insane, and yet so suave looking that they deserved to be ordained by no other name than Ligenfelters.


Ferrari is a very different animal, but similar. Ferrari is about passion. Ferrari is about over the top brilliance in an undeniably gorgeous package. Civility at 200mph is what I would call it. Riding on a fireball while still being able to drink tea or get a blowjob from your loving wife (watch out for the back end slipping right from under you during that one...😉 I am talking about the rear axle mind you😉 ) When you realize what they have done, how they constantly pushed the limits of style and substance never keeling over at one benchmark but heading head first in to all, you start to understand what they represent.

Dude, that ****** douche at the dealer is that, a fvking douche.

The essence of Ferrari are not something a saleman probably knows anything about. Perhaps the owner of the dealer or even perhaps, jsut maybe the buyer, but no one else in that establishment.


I could go on rambling about this and that, but I will try my best to sum it up quickly.


Ferrari, hell even the old Alfa's(the REALLY OLD ones😛), , Ford GT40s, Lambourgini's (originated because of a ferrari employee....), Lingenfelter's,and Pagani's are the definition of supercars.


****
Of course these days Alfa's are rev limited to 80mph and meet your local Fuel emmissions requirement..😱
****

All of these cars are beatable by 800hp Chevies, but shows why these remain the best of the very best.

Simple unaccompanied brute force or aunaccompanied artistic with leave anything else remaining sub-par

It is these cars that drove greats like Shelby to do what they did. This man, in a fvking barn mind you, unseated a legend all because he wanted to tune his own engine. These machines are the epitome of human creation. Creative aspects of all the fields are there for all to see and for all to wonder over.

Maybe this discussion is futile because it is a personal state of mind that allows for a such a definition, but to me a supercar is something that demonstrates longevity, pride, success, arrogance, determination, joy, love and, most importantly, pleasure.


Suck it all down bitch.:laugh:







^---I just couldn't stand back idly as he called my red heartthrobs by any other name besides their god given ones😱


😀

10/10
 
Originally posted by: zoiks
You guys are all full of crap.

Ford Fiesta all the way. Wooohoooo.

dude.....we are so stonmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnanananananannnnnnned out right now!


dude...who fvkign ate my potato chip that looked like George Lopez?! :|

OH NOW IT'S ON:|
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.

Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.

Then why are no Ferraris doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds?

Why are no Ferraris doing 250mph+?

Why are no Ferraris putting out 1000hp+?

Ferrari is NOT about performance.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I'd also say a Ferrari is a "value" (cheap) sports car.
Are you just being facetious or do you actually believe that? I hope you're trying to be funny, even though it isn't working.

There are very few, if any, production cars that meet your requirements. The only one I can think of off hand is the Bugatti Veyron, and that car is a beast.

So I guess the only car company focused on performance is Bugatti?
Right-o pal.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Xanis
Are you joking? So what you're saying is that a V-12 is NO about performance? That the fact that the Enzo is basically a street-legal race production car, is NOT about performance? That Ferrari has numerous victories at LeMans and other races, is NOT about performance? Put down the bong please.

V12s are NOT about performance
Interesting.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: five40
Umm. How many of you guys actually own these cars? How many of you have even driven any of these cars? I don't get how you guys get all worked up over crap you don't have. Does it really matter if Ferarri is a supercar maker or a whatever?

I've ridden in a Ferrari 360 Spider and a 512M.

When I am rich, I will own many sports cars and extreme performance vehicles.

But for now, my Infiniti QX4 will do.

Just do us a favor and stop posting. You have no credibility whatsoever, your knowledge of cars is pathetic, and the best performing car in your terms is one that just goes straight. Your claims and reasons to why you believe what you believe is ridiculous and ignorant. You have no basic knowledge of what Ferrari really is and fortunately, you'll never maximize the potential of any of them.
 
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