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Pagani Zonda F...

overst33r

overst33r

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I am dissapointed in ferrari...all the experience they have and they still cannot make the fastest car around a track. Pagani is a manufacturer that came out of nowhere a few years ago and now makes the quickest (track) supercar, Zonda F, in the world according to TopGear power lap times here

I am confused...maybe it was just a difference in driving skill or weather...but i don't get it.

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thanks to alien42
 
Yeah I've heard some good stuff about the Zonda. Well, at least it was the best car you could buy in Gran Turismo 3....
 
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Dude...you did NOT jsut write that😕


F40.....F40!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: mariok2006
I am dissapointed in ferrari...all the experience they have and they still cannot make the fastest car around a track. Pagani is a manufacturer that came out of nowhere a few years ago and now makes the quickest (track) supercar, Zonda F, in the world according to TopGear power lap times here

I am confused...maybe it was just a difference in driving skill or weather...but i don't get it.
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Pagani didn't just came out of no where - he was similiar to Porsche, who worked for other car companies for all his life and finally have the ability to create his own perfection.

F40 was the last creationi made by Enzo Ferrari befoe he died. In fact Enzo Ferrari started the whole supercar trend with his F40.
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Dude...you did NOT jsut write that😕


F40.....F40!!!!!!!
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F40? Wake me up when we get there.

These days, if you're not pushing 250mph, you're not focused on performance.

And F40, which is slower than an F50, which is slower than an Enzo, barely touches 205.
 
I agree that Ferrari's line of vehicles is not really targeted at "supercar" status. There are some exceptions, such as the F40 and the Enzo. Pagani has been around for a long while, mostly producing racing cars for LeMans and other races. They've also been putting out production cars for a while as well. They've been around for a while, you just didn't know it.

Edit: You want a real supercar? Try the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 - Quad-turbo and 1000bhp.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.

Originally posted by: Xanis
I agree that Ferrari's line of vehicles is not really targeted at "supercar" status. There are some exceptions, such as the F40 and the Enzo. Pagani has been around for a while, mostly producing racing cars for LeMans and the like. It just wasn't until a few years ago that they made a production car. They've been around for a while, you just didn't know it.
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the enzo is targeted at the supercar level. the little mighty f430 can play with 10 or even 12 cylinder supercars. To me that's very amazing.

and it would be a more equal comparsion if we compare the ferrari fx with the zonda.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Actually, Enzo originally started selling the cars to support his racing teams. He was racing in Alfa's back in the '20s. To this day, Formula 1 is more important to the company than the performance of their road cars. Also the Zonda does not have the signature Ferrari exhaust sound. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Yep. Actually, Enzo originally started selling the cars to support his racing teams. He was racing in Alfa's back in the '20s. To this day, Formula 1 is more important to the company than the performance of their road cars. Also the Zonda does not have the signature Ferrari exhaust sound. 😉
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I'm talking about their production cars, not F1 cars.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Ferrari spends $300 million in F1 every year... all for looks. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.
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Then why are no Ferraris doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds?

Why are no Ferraris doing 250mph+?

Why are no Ferraris putting out 1000hp+?

Ferrari is NOT about performance.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I'd also say a Ferrari is a "value" (cheap) sports car.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
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Yep. Actually, Enzo originally started selling the cars to support his racing teams. He was racing in Alfa's back in the '20s. To this day, Formula 1 is more important to the company than the performance of their road cars. Also the Zonda does not have the signature Ferrari exhaust sound. 😉
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I'm talking about their production cars, not F1 cars.
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oh yes, the enzo isn't there for performance. THey dominated the supercar industry for 2-3 years for nothing. ALso ferrari created the track version fx all just for looks.

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
Click to expand...

Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.
Click to expand...

Then why are no Ferraris doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds?

Why are no Ferraris doing 250mph+?

Why are no Ferraris putting out 1000hp+?

Ferrari is NOT about performance.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I'd also say a Ferrari is a "value" (cheap) sports car.
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Because power and top speed isn't everything, my young foolish apprentice.
 
The Enzo isn't a race car- its still a street car at it's core. It's not very difficult to create a more extreme race-ready vehicle that would hand the Enzo it's ass, you just have to be willing to give up creature comforts. Not to say the Pagani does or doesn't, just the fact that the Enzo is very fast on the track compared to other street cars, but not so special against dedicated track cars.

Also the top gear track is an overgrown kart track- much of the Enzo's ballyhooed performace comes from its aerodynamics which would only begin to shine at a full road course with some high speed sections. I wouldn't be surprised to see the tables turned at another course.

And then there is also the 1.8million USD FXX race-prepped Enzo-based car from Ferrari.

 
wow, you take performance like a lot of people take cocaine.

straight down the line.

there are no curves in your peformance just a line.

you honestly need to shut the hell up.

who cares if it doesnt do 250, it will corner faster and be able to keep up in the curves.

it doesnt need 1000+ hp, they have aerodynamics on their side and weight.

 
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
oh yes, the enzo isn't there for performance. THey dominated the supercar industry for 2-3 years for nothing. ALso ferrari created the track version fx all just for looks.
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If an outside company can tune your cars to go faster, you are not doing a very good job at maximizing performance.

Norwood of Dallas, Texas can make a Ferrari put out 1800hp and go 280mph (which wasn't even it's top speed, they only stopped there because of car's structure was becoming weak).
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
Click to expand...

Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.
Click to expand...

Then why are no Ferraris doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds?

Why are no Ferraris doing 250mph+?

Why are no Ferraris putting out 1000hp+?

Ferrari is NOT about performance.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I'd also say a Ferrari is a "value" (cheap) sports car.
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Oh brother, another Mr. I Know It All post. Car threads really are the worst around here. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
Click to expand...

When I see the F430, I see a company using racing technology to create the most passionate driving experience one can get out of a car, not technology for the sake of technology, or brute speed for the sake of brute speed.
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
oh yes, the enzo isn't there for performance. THey dominated the supercar industry for 2-3 years for nothing. ALso ferrari created the track version fx all just for looks.
Click to expand...

If an outside company can tune your cars to go faster, you are not doing a very good job at maximizing performance.

Norwood of Dallas, Texas can make a Ferrari put out 1800hp and go 280mph (which wasn't even it's top speed, they only stopped there because of car's structure).
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gimme a Zonda and some time and i will be able to maximize its performance.

honestly SHUT YOUR MORONIC MOUTH, you are now the stupidest "car" person i have ever heard talk, yea, you just beat out JulesMaximus because he atleast can back his stuff up and has good points every once in a while
 
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
I don't think Ferrari is meant to be a super car company. They make sports cars They do not make extreme cars.

You cannot compare a Ferrari to say, a McLaren.

Ferrari is more for style than performance.
Click to expand...

Ferrari is all about performance. People just don't make a big deal out of their victories because they are suppose to be the best. But people make a big deal out of other's victories over Ferrari because they are truely rare occasions.
Click to expand...

Then why are no Ferraris doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds?

Why are no Ferraris doing 250mph+?

Why are no Ferraris putting out 1000hp+?

Ferrari is NOT about performance.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I'd also say a Ferrari is a "value" (cheap) sports car.
Click to expand...


I already explained this to you above, which you just dismissed because you are either dense or misunderstood me. They are not concerned about having the fastest production cars, people will buy them irregardless. I guess your view on performance is slightly skewed or something, because Ferraris are constantly lauded for their handling, acceleration and fit/finish. I'm sure they really don't care if you don't think they are about performance as you are not the target market.
 
Originally posted by: dawheat
When I see the F430, I see a company using racing technology to create the most passionate driving experience one can get out of a car, not technology for the sake of technology, or brute speed for the sake of brute speed.
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You sound like a salesman trying to justify the price.

The F430, of all cars, is a sports car meant for everyday driving. It is meant to be comfortable. It's just a money maker, not an experiment in performance.
 
Originally posted by: RiDE

Oh brother, another Mr. I Know It All post. Car threads really are the worst around here. :roll:
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because some people around here think they know cars but all they do is compare the hp #s and make a conclusion.
 
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