5 Pac-10 teams went bowling last year, and 3 of them won. Since the Pac-10 had a better bowl record than the ACC or SEC, does that make them better? No one truly knows, since there is no way for every team to play. Also, you can't say the SEC sending more teams to bowls makes them better, since the SEC has more teams. Comparing the two, they both sent the same percentage of teams to bowls.
5 Pac-10 teams went bowling last year, and 3 of them won. Since the Pac-10 had a better bowl record than the ACC or SEC, does that make them better? No one truly knows, since there is no way for every team to play. Also, you can't say the SEC sending more teams to bowls makes them better, since the SEC has more teams. Comparing the two, they both sent the same percentage of teams to bowls.
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Originally posted by: Skiguy411
I was at the UNC game and wow, I had never been so disappointed. Their response vs GT will be huge. People are already calling for Chucks head here around campus. Somone even had an article in the student newspaper calling him a magician.....all show and no substance.
It sucks being a wolfpack fan
5-6 with the best defense in the nation and a stable full of talented running backs last year and losing to their in-state rival 2 years in a row isn't good enough. Other than that one fluke season, he has produced absolutely nothing spectacular. Hell, even O'Cain was the guy who found Rivers.
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: ed21x
we're not talking women's basketball, here
ROFL Ed.
But seriously, you guys are just hating on USC mainly and perhaps a little on Cal.
We had 5 ranked schools in the polls, and you guys are just whining.
There's a reason USC demolished OU last year and if Pac-10 really sucks that bad, how come it's the Pac-10 schools that give USC trouble? Oh and how come Cal was the only school who beat USC in the last 27 games?
the pac-10 schools play usc every year and USC plays a cream puff non-conference schedule. i'm not really sure what happened to OU, it's like the guy dropped that kick return and the whole team deflated instantly. you could see it happen. it was like someone doused the fire.
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Skiguy411
I was at the UNC game and wow, I had never been so disappointed. Their response vs GT will be huge. People are already calling for Chucks head here around campus. Somone even had an article in the student newspaper calling him a magician.....all show and no substance.
It sucks being a wolfpack fan
5-6 with the best defense in the nation and a stable full of talented running backs last year and losing to their in-state rival 2 years in a row isn't good enough. Other than that one fluke season, he has produced absolutely nothing spectacular. Hell, even O'Cain was the guy who found Rivers.
And too bad the fluke season included wins against a bunch of joke teams. Amato is still just 20-22 in the ACC, which is a joke.
Calm down. There is no comparing Amato to O'Cain. Look at all the crap teams that O'Cain lost to.
Look at his winning percentage.. 50% overall. Lots of blowouts. Remember how many times FSU ran up over 50 pts? They actually averaged like 48 ppg against O'Cain's teams.
Amato has lost by over 20 exactly once. We are competitive every time we take the field.
Amato has almost a 63% winning percentage which is comparable to the legendary Dick Sheridan, and under Sheridan, we be zero top 10 teams, and played just as many cupcakes as we do now, maybe even more.
Yes, last year was disappointing, but Amato did go to 4 bowls in 4 years, winning 3. O'Cain only went to 3 his whole time. And lost 2 of them, badly.
This season isn't over yet. You also have to remember that this isn't the same ACC that O'Cain and Sheridan coached in. Much, much tougher.
I've been around when we totally and completely sucked. You probably don't remember the Tom Reed or Monte Kiffin years.
Yes, Chuck needs to win some games, but I feel that if he can keep his staff together for a few years, he will We are right there. We had no business winning as many games as we did his first few years, and that unjustly raised our expectations.
Just be realistic and realize that we've come a long way just in the fact that we now expect to win and are pissed when we don't.
I long for the day when we demand the same from Herb.
Hmm. I must have missed one. Regardless, 5 of 10 is not as good as 6 of 11. The ACC didn't have 12 teams until this year, and the new team, BC, also went to a bowl...ironically they played an ACC team, UNC.
But were those wins because of Rivers or Amato? The more wolfpack football I see, the more I believe it was because of Rivers.
Fluke season? The one season when we had a defense to match our offense?
OOC wins:
New Mexico....bowl team
Texas Tech....bowl team
Navy
E Tenn
Mass.
Notre Dame in the bowl.
So 3 wins against non-bowl teams, and 3 wins against bowl teams.
Good ACC wins:
Clemson
FSU
Losses:
UVA
GT
UMD
All bowl teams.
Maybe it was a fluke, but it's not like we beat all nobodies or lost to nobodies.
Sure lots of them were because of Rivers. But unfortunately, Jay is a huge drop off from Rivers. And both Jay and Marcus were both highly recruited QB's, so it's not like we thought we had crap to replace Philip with.
Look at all the QB troubles FSU has had, and they've had some of the highest rated QB recruits in the country, yet they've basically not had a great one since Weinke.
But they have been a much deeper team than we have, so they were able to make up for it.
Plus, you have to understand what all the staff turnover has done....no continuity whatsoever.
And that may be Chuck's fault.
But NC State football has never, I repeat, never been in as good a shape as it is right now.
The only reason people are bitching is because we lost to UNC. If we had beaten UNC and lost to GT, there would be almost no outcry.
Let's just wait until the end of the season and see what we've got.
Having Philip helped mask some of our growing pains, and in a way it hurt us by having him start for 4 years instead letting some other guys get some reps.
I love the SEC...except when we have to end up playing Florida, Auburn, and Tennessee in the same year. Which is every year. Dammit.
O'Cain had Torry Holt, and our best receiver of all time before Torry, Eddie Goines.
He also had Jamie Barnette, who held most of the passing records before Philip. I'll take a decent QB paired with an awesome receiver versus an awesome QB with a good receiver any day.
The problem with losing Chow was NOT money....he was from the West Coast, his family was still there, and when he got a chance to go to USC, he did. He was on a 3 year contract, so money wasn't the issue.
The program hasn't gone to hell since Rivers graduated. Chuck is still recruiting well, and we are simply in a transitional period.
Again, having a QB like Rivers who always played and never got hurt actually was bad in the long run, because none of the backups ever got to play much.
Plus, losing staff, particularly offensive coordinators, hasn't helped, either. Although losing no-end-zone-Mazzone wasn't a bad thing.
As far as Herb goes.....what do you mean "what little talent he can bring in"?? Herb has been having top 25 classes or better for 6-7 years!!
He's only been to the NCAA's since he got Hodge. He should have been there 3 years before....we had plenty of talent to do so, but no coaching.
A good coach makes use of what talent he has and coaches to their strengths....he doesn't force the talent to run whatever his favorite system is regardless of whether the talent it suited for that system or not.
Again, I want us to demand the same things from Herb that we are from Chuck.
And Chuck, other than last season, has delivered the goods so far and didn't take 6 years to do it.
Navy, E Tenn, Mass, and even New Mexico (who ranked 100th in Total Offense,and 73rd in Pass Defense) were not spectacular. They lost to Texas Tech 49-0 that year.
And come on, we have had an extremely hard time beating GT at ALL. If we want to be powerhouse, UVA and MD shouldn't be losses. Face it..Rivers made that team, and the other teams he was on, good. Now that he is gone, we are seeing how much of it was from Amato.
And yes, I go to NC State, so I am not bashing it from an outsiders perspective, I am in the marching band. I even went to the Notre Dame bowl game in Jacksonville before I got into State.
That statement is just laughable. Having twice the yards on offense that a top 10 team (VT) had, but losing because of penalties, is a fvcking joke and you know it. Losing to a struggling UNC team just put the icing on the cake.
They pretty much got PWNED by Cal defense. It was our offense that was struggling and thats the ONLY reason why we didnt score any more points.
SEC > *
Period. SEC is consistently among the best of the conferences easily. At any one given time in the poles during the year, you will have 3-4 Teams in the top 20. The only problem I have with the SEC the championship game, which potentially knocks one of the best teams in the country outta the National championship race.
Yeah, I'm a Gator Fan, Yup, we got smashed this week, but UF would take out the best of the Pac 10 on any given day.
^The above statement goes for Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU.
thxkbye
Period. SEC is consistently among the best of the conferences easily. At any one given time in the poles during the year, you will have 3-4 Teams in the top 20. The only problem I have with the SEC the championship game, which potentially knocks one of the best teams in the country outta the National championship race.
Yeah, I'm a Gator Fan, Yup, we got smashed this week, but UF would take out the best of the Pac 10 on any given day.
^The above statement goes for Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU.
thxkbye
Wrong. If you lived through the Kiffin, Reed and O'Cain years you'd know what I mean.
I'm talking overall, not just after one particular game. And how is UNC struggling? They just beat Utah. They lost to GT and Wisconsin, while playing very good defense against Wisconsin.
Tell me again how they are struggling.
Again, name another era when we were had the facilities, as much talent, as many fans, and as much national attention as we do now.
Don't worry, you can't.
The wins will come.
To sit here and go ballistic after one bad stretch, with all the positives that the program has right now is ludicrous.
Nobody wants to beat UNC worse than me. But what will you say if we win the next 2-3 in a row? Then we'll look pretty good.
My whole point is, wait until the season is over before you have a meltdown. We are not a top 15 team yet. We don't have that kind of talent, yet. We will, if we give Chuck the time.
Let's just see what happens.
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It is really too early for computer polls, but Sagarin says:
1) Big 10
2) ACC/Pac 10
4) SEC
5) Big 12
1) Big 10
2) ACC/Pac 10
4) SEC
5) Big 12
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