PA Liquor Board pulls controversial ad

[soccerballtux]

exactly how not?

in the middle of the night, A petty thief is walking from car to car, checking the unlocked ones for change, wallets, purses, & loose items of value. Simply locking your doors will serve as a deterrant to most thieves.
No... not every one, but most.

likewise, you must take reasonable actions to make sure that you are not an easy target for rape.

1)be in a group of responsible adults you can trust
2)dont drink too much, maintain your sobriety
3)be aware of your surroundings, ensure no one has oppotunity to slip something in your drink
4)dont go anywhere alone with someone you dont know

being plastered while being a girl is more like leaving the door wide open with lights on and widescreen TV in the middle of the living room, unplugged from the wall and wrapped in a moving blanket strapped to a dolly.

 

[cybrsage]

The ad's problem was that it is not clear as to what happened. The ad should have had her sitting on her bed at home, head in her hands, with a thought bubble over her head saying "How many men did I sleep with last night without protection? I was so drunk I cannot remember...what am I going to do now?"

 

[soccerballtux]

Not sure what the problem is with this Ad. I think the OP's defense of the Ad is rather nuts though. The Ad is not implying the "Victim" is at fault, just that it's taking a huge risk at becoming victimized.

the ad does not read "I didn't want to do it, but I couldn't say no" which would be much more effective and wouldn't have been controversial for it would simply be highlighting the results of poor decisions.

edit: actually that's kinda silly too. Better would be the next morning, "I wanted to last night, but now I regret it"

 

[cybrsage]

exactly how not?

in the middle of the night, A petty thief is walking from car to car, checking the unlocked ones for change, wallets, purses, & loose items of value. Simply locking your doors will serve as a deterrant to most thieves.
No... not every one, but most.

likewise, you must take reasonable actions to make sure that you are not an easy target for rape.

1)be in a group of responsible adults you can trust
2)dont drink too much, maintain your sobriety
3)be aware of your surroundings, ensure no one has oppotunity to slip something in your drink
4)dont go anywhere alone with someone you dont know

I think that list can be far shorter if you make it just one item:

1)shoot anyone who looks like a potential threat

Personal responsibility demands a proactive response to any potentially dangerous person.

HIGH FIVE!!












EDIT: I just realized people might think I was being serious...I am not. The actions of the predator is not the fault of the victem.

 

[Oyeve]

Why blame the booze?this is a stupid ad.

 

[feralkid]

being plastered while being a girl is more like leaving the door wide open with lights on and widescreen TV in the middle of the living room, unplugged from the wall and wrapped in a moving blanket strapped to a dolly.

Only in the eyes of a rapist.

 

[actuarial]

If I leave my door unlocked, and my house is robbed... I am also at fault, not just the guy who robbed me. This is common sense!!

So how much of the prison sentence are you going to serve then, considering you are partly at fault for the crime?

I hope if your daughter is ever raped you don't remind her about her culpability.

 

[soccerballtux]

Only in the eyes of a rapist.

so in other words you weren't in a frat in college
very naive

 

[sandorski]

the ad does not read "I didn't want to do it, but I couldn't say no" which would be much more effective and wouldn't have been controversial for it would simply be highlighting the results of poor decisions.

edit: actually that's kinda silly too. Better would be the next morning, "I wanted to last night, but now I regret it"

Good point and more accurate too.

 

[cybrsage]

so in other words you weren't in a frat in college
very naive

You were part of a rapist fraternity in college?

 

[cybrsage]

Being drunk increases your chances of having a criminal victemize you, just like not locking your door increases the chances of having a criminal victemize you.

Neither one makes you responsible, in any way, for the criminal actions forced upon you.

 

[feralkid]

so in other words you weren't in a frat in college
very naive

Is that where you learned to rape?

 

[0roo0roo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__XCWUd8FFjQ/TFLkFFz4jlI/AAAAAAAAKwo/OIVzrYLUNHI/s1600/PetaNYCmeat1.jpg
nsfw

ass assault?

boobs

all i see is porn, but then you confuse me

 

[Triumph]

i love the guy with the I HEART SLUTS shirt. What does that mean, he loves to rape sluts? Or does he support slut's rights? I'm not quite sure.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Ah ATOT never fails to go the "What? she was asking for it" route.

 

[Number1]

i love the guy with the I HEART SLUTS shirt. What does that mean, he loves to rape sluts? Or does he support slut's rights? I'm not quite sure.

Probably in support of the slutwalk movement.

/firstworldproblems.

 

[waggy]

whoa.

so if i leave my door unlocked and someone comes in steals all my stuff kills and rapes my wife i share the blame? that's some fucked up logic.

 

[Number1]

whoa.

so if i leave my door unlocked and someone comes in steals all my stuff kills and rapes my wife i share the blame? that's some fucked up logic.

Had you locked your door, would it have happened? I know I would feel guilty.

In the sense of the law, no, you're not responsible but it doesn't mean you could not have prevented it.

I stopped at a bar one cold winter evening on a military base to have a quick beer many years ago. I left the car running outside because it was cold. Somebody drove off with it. (true story)

Was it my fault that it got stolen?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Had you locked your door, would it have happened?

Had he burned down his house the day before, would it have happened?

Guess we should all burn down our houses lest we get robbed.

 

[mattpegher]

Regardless of the OP's position on this ad, from a public safety position I see the need to bring up this issue. In the Medical field we realize the correlation between risk and predictable outcomes. Seatbelts, baby car seats, airbags. As the Advanced trauma and life support manual states, these events are predictable and preventable. Just like any other disease, prevention should be a major tool to mitigate the consequences.
The PLCB is trying to highlight a known risk with education. IMHO, many rapes could be prevented with such education programs. Unfortunately the argument gets muddied by the blame issue. Listen, if you get chlamydia, I dont care if you slept with a slut or got it off your wife who cheats, treat the damn thing. Same thing here we need a series of adds that get women to wake up and take notice of the risk. It might not be PC but dammit if we dont someone will suffer.

 

[feralkid]

 

[shortylickens]

I dont believe rape is ever justified.
Outside of rape however, women deserve to be treated as they act (or maybe slightly better if you're a proper gentleman).
And most young American women behave quite poorly these days.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I believe the term is Personal Responsibility.

I'm going to nuke your house, and say hey 'well it's his fault, he didn't have a 500 foot thick concrete barrier dome around his house'.

 

[cybrsage]

I dont believe rape is ever justified.
Outside of rape however, women deserve to be treated as they act (or maybe slightly better if you're a proper gentleman).
And most young American women behave quite poorly these days.

Correct, you dress the way you want people to see you. If you dress like a criminal, you should expect people to see you as a criminal and act accourdingly around you. If you dress like a slut, same thing.

None of this means it is ok to perform criminal acts against you, though.

 

[Doomguy]

Correct, you dress the way you want people to see you. If you dress like a criminal, you should expect people to see you as a criminal and act accourdingly around you. If you dress like a slut, same thing.

None of this means it is ok to perform criminal acts against you, though.

Dress like a criminal? What does that even mean? I wasn't aware of a criminal dress code or "slut" dress code.

Slut is a word that needs to die -- because it implies that female promiscuity is bad thing.