PA Liquor Board pulls controversial ad

[thraashman]

the ad is correct. im pretty sure every weekend there are many women who used poor judgment on getting shagged and regretted it soon after. If they were not under the influence they would not have put themselves in that situation.

Um, the ad is pretty fucked up. It's saying "women, drink and you should expect to get raped. Men just rape, that's what they do. It's not their fault. You should do everything you can to make you less 'rape friendly' because rape is the woman's fault not the man's". And trying to justify that train of thought is pretty horrible. A woman being drunk and unable to push you off or passed out and unable to say "no" is not a justifcation for rape. And it's not her fault either. It's the fault of the rapist.

 

[sourceninja]

I don't think this has anything to do with fault. It has to do with obvious and easy prevention.

If you don't lock your doors and you are robbed, it's not your fault, but with a little knowledge and self discipline you could have protected your property. It's about personal responsibility.

People that do preventative maintenance on their cars typically have less car trouble. It's about exposure to risk. If you smoke and get cancer, it's not your fault, you might have gotten cancer anyway, but by not smoking you lower your chance of cancer. If you drink until you have no control over yourself, you will have a higher chance of getting into trouble. It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.

 

[feralkid]

I don't think this has anything to do with fault. It has to do with obvious and easy prevention.

If you don't lock your doors and you are robbed, it's not your fault, but with a little knowledge and self discipline you could have protected your property. It's about personal responsibility.

People that do preventative maintenance on their cars typically have less car trouble. It's about exposure to risk. If you smoke and get cancer, it's not your fault, you might have gotten cancer anyway, but by not smoking you lower your chance of cancer. If you drink until you have no control over yourself, you will have a higher chance of getting into trouble. It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.

Perhaps, however OP is claiming it is the victim's fault.

Not sure if he is Pro-Rapist, Burglar or 15th Century Cleric.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I don't think this has anything to do with fault. It has to do with obvious and easy prevention.

It doesn't necessarily have to do with "fault," no, but that was what the OP said.

If you don't lock your doors and you are robbed, it's not your fault, but with a little knowledge and self discipline you could have protected your property. It's about personal responsibility.

Yes, I agree. It's still a good idea to exercise caution in certain circumstances. When another person decides to violate your person or your personal property however, it is that person's choices and actions that caused your injury, and it was not your failure to guard against him that did.

People that do preventative maintenance on their cars typically have less car trouble. It's about exposure to risk. If you smoke and get cancer, it's not your fault, you might have gotten cancer anyway, but by not smoking you lower your chance of cancer. If you drink until you have no control over yourself, you will have a higher chance of getting into trouble. It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.

Actually, I would concede that if you get lung cancer because you smoked for 30 years, it probably was your fault. If you're smashing your hand with a framing hammer, it's your fault that you have broken fingers. Smoking is more like that. In general, however, I agree that your distinction between risk management and deserving blame is a legitimate one.

 

[chucky2]

I remember coming back to the dorm after a day and part of the night hiking, and seeing drunk @ss young women (many obviously under 21), dressed to show off exactly what they wanted to show off, walking alone, through the parking lot and then about an 1/8 mile wooded path - mostly unlit - to get back to their dorm cluster.

I could not imagine WTF was going through their heads in taking a risk like that...I guess not much was going through their head...

 

[gevorg]

If you dress like a slut, talk like a slut, and act like a slut, don't get surprised when you're raped like a slut!

 

[chucky2]

Haha...well obviously them getting raped is not their fault - they should be able to dress however they whenever they want wherever they want, in public - however, doing sh1t like that radically increases your chances of having a rape event occur, and being in a poor position to prevent it should it occur.

Given that the average built woman, much less a drunk woman, is going to be - for the most part - somewhat easily handled by an average built man, WhyTF would any little college girl even do something that dumb?

 

[OutHouse]

Um, the ad is pretty fucked up. It's saying "women, drink and you should expect to get raped. Men just rape, that's what they do. It's not their fault. You should do everything you can to make you less 'rape friendly' because rape is the woman's fault not the man's". And trying to justify that train of thought is pretty horrible. A woman being drunk and unable to push you off or passed out and unable to say "no" is not a justifcation for rape. And it's not her fault either. It's the fault of the rapist.

i dont see the ad the way you do.

i see it from what it says on the ad. impairment due to booze can and does lead to bad decisions. meaning that the booze allowed her to say yes to a shaggin in the club bathroom, compared to if she was sober she would have said no thanks.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If you dress like a slut, talk like a slut, and act like a slut, don't get surprised when you're raped like a slut!

Yeah, sluts deserve to be raped! Hooray!

 

[sourceninja]

I still don't see what is wrong in pointing out risky behavior. If my friends paint racist logos on my car, and I knowing that it is a bad idea drive though a gang filled inner city block because it is a shortcut home, and I intern get shot; It might not be my fault that I got shot, but I damn sure have some blame for not taking steps to protect my own safety.

In fact, the more I think about it. I think there is some blame for people who do not take reasonable steps to protect themselves. If you never educate your children to not take candy from strangers, and your kid is abducted by a child rapist who is offering candy, it is your fault.

There will always be criminals. We can't stop that, all we can do is punish them. We can take responsibility for our own safety. To fail to take responsibility for your own safety puts blame on you.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

To fail to take responsibility for your own safety puts blame on you.

The truth of the above holds in certain circumstances, but a person is never to blame for the choices and actions of someone else. You are certainly to blame if you don't exercise precautions when using a food slicer, for example, and cut your finger, but failing to teach your kids to be cautious of strangers did not cause any stranger to abduct your child.

 

[sourceninja]

The truth of the above holds in certain circumstances, but a person is never to blame for the choices and actions of someone else. You are certainly to blame if you don't exercise precautions when using a food slicer, for example, and cut your finger, but failing to teach your kids to be cautious of strangers did not cause any stranger to abduct your child.

It didn't stop the criminals desire and it didn't cause that criminal desire. But failing to teach your kid did result in your kid blindly stumbling to his/her doom. Thus you are responsible.

If I am hit by a drunk driver, that's not my fault. If I knowingly drove without my seat belt and got tossed out the window by said accident, I'm partially to blame for my injuries.

Just because it's rape, doesn't magically remove personal responsibility. She's not responsible for the rape, but she is to blame for putting herself in a situation that was dangerous. Let's say she drank so much she used poor judgement and let her drunk friend driver her home. That friend gets into an accident and she is injured. Is she to blame then? I mean it's not like she choose to ride with a drunk? She just wasn't thinking straight....

Or what if I get drunk and go hang out with my new drinking buddy I just met. Turns out he is a drug dealer and drives us to a drug deal where he shoots two people and we are busted by the cops while trying to flee. Is my poor judgement in drinking a excuse for putting myself in a bad situation?

Does she deserve to be raped? No
Is she to blame for the rape? No
Is she responsible for her own personal safety? Yes


I'm so sick of people thinking they have no responsibility to themselves. If you won't protect yourself, why should anyone else? They are not to blame for the other persons actions. They are to blame for their own actions. Actions that directly contributed to the situation in the first place.

 

[Keeper]

Your statement below is not common sense, it is crazy:
Sure, do your best to minimize problems, but if I forget to lock my door, I am absolutely, 100% not at fault if someone steals something from it.

Last line...BINGO.

 

[sourceninja]

Last line...BINGO.

Let's look at this another way.

Why do people lock their doors? That is the same reason you should have personal responsibility. That was the point of this ad. Not having personal responsibility leads to bad shit happening to you.

I don't think it's possible to dispute that. I also don't see how pointing this out in a visually and emotionally charged way is a bad thing.

 

[dank69]

Let's look at this another way.

Why do people lock their doors? That is the same reason you should have personal responsibility. That was the point of this ad. Not having personal responsibility leads to bad shit happening to you.

I don't think it's possible to dispute that. I also don't see how pointing this out in a visually and emotionally charged way is a bad thing.

Can we just agree that the person committing a crime, no matter what that crime might be, is the only one at fault and move on?

 

[theeedude]

They should change that ad to some really fat legs, and the quote to "He didn't want to do it, but he couldn't say no."

 

[cybrsage]

The ad in question can be viewed here:
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/12/09/202518.jpg




i have a problem with pulling this ad... Often times it is the victim who is exaclty who should shoulder the blame.

This is probably one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Ranks right up there to when a teacher for the state of Illinois driver safety program told me all car accidents are 100% avoidable by all parties involved....you can stay home and never leave.

The fault lies completely with the criminal. The person performing the illegal/wrong act is the one at fault for the illegal/wrong act being performed.

 

[cybrsage]

They should change that ad to some really fat legs, and the quote to "He didn't want to do it, but he couldn't say no."

THAT would be more like the real world.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It didn't stop the criminals desire and it didn't cause that criminal desire. But failing to teach your kid did result in your kid blindly stumbling to his/her doom. Thus you are responsible.

Preposterous. What you're asserting is that there is a real duty owed to the child to convince them of a particular fear that happens to scare you a whole lot. If that were the case, it would be grounds for a civil suit.

Do you really think that would stand up in court?

If I am hit by a drunk driver, that's not my fault. If I knowingly drove without my seat belt and got tossed out the window by said accident, I'm partially to blame for my injuries.

Failing to wear your seatbelt is illegal, and thus negligent.

Just because it's rape, doesn't magically remove personal responsibility. She's not responsible for the rape, but she is to blame for putting herself in a situation that was dangerous. Let's say she drank so much she used poor judgement and let her drunk friend driver her home. That friend gets into an accident and she is injured. Is she to blame then? I mean it's not like she choose to ride with a drunk? She just wasn't thinking straight....

Did she wreck the car?

Or what if I get drunk and go hang out with my new drinking buddy I just met. Turns out he is a drug dealer and drives us to a drug deal where he shoots two people and we are busted by the cops while trying to flee. Is my poor judgement in drinking a excuse for putting myself in a bad situation?

Criminal acts are negligent acts, but we're not talking about negligent acts. It is not negligent to dress slutty and walk down a dark alley.

Does she deserve to be raped? No
Is she to blame for the rape? No
Is she responsible for her own personal safety? Yes

Did she do something negligent? No.

I'm so sick of people thinking they have no responsibility to themselves. If you won't protect yourself, why should anyone else?

For the rest of us non-sociopaths, we realize it's simply the right thing to do. I suppose you are not among us.

They are not to blame for the other persons actions. They are to blame for their own actions. Actions that directly contributed to the situation in the first place.

I fail to see how dressing sexy and drinkng alcohol "contributes" to getting raped any more than leaving the house or breathing air does -- after all, if she'd just stopped breathing sooner she wouldn't have been raped, now would she? We must stop female respiration!

 

[Triumph]

i dont see the ad the way you do.

i see it from what it says on the ad. impairment due to booze can and does lead to bad decisions. meaning that the booze allowed her to say yes to a shaggin in the club bathroom, compared to if she was sober she would have said no thanks.

I agree 100%.

 

[SilthDraeth]

To be clear, there is a difference between rape, and I got drunk and had sex, and the next day I realized I shouldn't have had sex, and was impaired and couldn't be expected to have made that decision, so I was raped.

I believe that is what some people here are arguing, even though they themselves are not being that clear.

 

[sao123]

The truth of the above holds in certain circumstances, but a person is never to blame for the choices and actions of someone else... ...but failing to teach your kids to be cautious of strangers did not cause any stranger to abduct your child.

Except when teaching them to be cautious could have prevented it.

I fail to see how dressing sexy and drinkng alcohol "contributes" to getting raped any more than leaving the house or breathing air does -- after all, if she'd just stopped breathing sooner she wouldn't have been raped, now would she? We must stop female respiration!

It contributes in the same way that swimming in shark infested waters contributes to being eaten by a shark. If you continue to expose yourself to risk, eventually you are going to have repurcussions... it is inevitable.

 

[feralkid]

Except when teaching them to be cautious could have prevented it.

 

[TheVrolok]

if the event was forseeable and/or preventable...
it is absolutely partly her fault, for not doing what could have been done to prevent it.

What a fucking asshole.

If you dress like a slut, talk like a slut, and act like a slut, don't get surprised when you're raped like a slut!

Can we ban people who say shit like this?


Pardon my language, I've been drinking.

 

[CitizenKain]

If you dress like a slut, talk like a slut, and act like a slut, don't get surprised when you're raped like a slut!

You and sao123 should join a rapist club, you'd fit right in.