A friend of mine is building a new rig, E6300/6400 based. which board is better for this? P5B-E or DS3? most likely I will recommend him get the D9 RAMs since he's gonna OC. I even saw S3 selling little cheaper than DS3, some say no diff.
P5B-E or DS3?
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The only thing different between the DS3 and the S3 is the DS3 uses all solid capacitors.
According to the P965 board article done by Anand, the P5B-E is a better overclocker.
According to the P965 board article done by Anand, the P5B-E is a better overclocker.
yeah but I am still concerned by bios limitation on the mch volatge and vdimm...even if it wasn't an issue in therte testing....
PLus Both Mark and I were able to attain 500fsb on our S3 mobos...if DS3 is supposed to be solid capacitors they shoudl do as well...
However the S3 and its 25 dollar less price tag verus the DS3 is hard to overlook...
Throw in the fact the S3 is 45-50+ dollars cheaper then the P5b-e I know which I would try....I care not to support Asus and there mentality to bend us over when it comes to their pricing.
Fact is you still are not even guaranteed a 3.5+ghz oc on your E6300 and E6400...If you get an E6300 you may lean towards the Asus mobo if you have some high-end memory modules that can run 1000ddr2 on 2.1v or less. If you get E6400 with the 8x multi you dont even need to worry about it cause you likely will tap out at 455-460 range which the DS3 (on mine) and S3 (on my 2 buddies) did just fine....
You got your S3 to 500FSB?! That's really good considering its price.
A quick question regarding S3's ram voltage, I am recommending my friend on D9 chips for OC, so he needs like 2.2V on it. Does S3 able to do that much on RAM voltage? and would you guys recommend going with D9 RAMs on this board?
A quick question regarding S3's ram voltage, I am recommending my friend on D9 chips for OC, so he needs like 2.2V on it. Does S3 able to do that much on RAM voltage? and would you guys recommend going with D9 RAMs on this board?
On question of overpay/overcharge, I personally would dish out the extra cash for DFI but not Asus just cause DFIs very cool boards to own. Now that I got a Antec Lanboy, I would appreciate flashy board designs like DFIs,
On question of overpay/overcharge, I personally would dish out the extra cash for DFI but not Asus just cause DFIs very cool boards to own. Now that I got a Antec Lanboy, I would appreciate flashy board designs like DFIs,
This doesn't seem a valid comparison to me at all. DFI almost guarantees you a top-performing product that offers all the features an enthusiest would want. ASUS might mean that, or it might meen a budget part with integrated video.
sounds like S3s got plenty OCing options on all aspects. So is there a reason for me to recommend DS3 over S3? I do hear some forum talking about the better capacitors in DS3 will allow better running of Quad in the future.
Yeah...pretty much for the reasons you stated....The book may be out until we see more first hand reports, however I am hoping by that point that Nvidia may have some nice enthusiast boards out by then..
n7
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Or maybe Asus fans are just smart enough to avoid recommending the bugfest that is the DS3.
I am well aware that Asus is generally a ripoff, but considering the number of issues out there with DS3 users, i somehow don't think you have any grounds to say Asus is a poor choice.
Not saying there aren't issues with Asus either though, as lately i keep seeing all kinds of threads with ppl having trouble with thier P5B-Ds.
DS3 you are probably right....The S3 is the C2 version of the DS3 and doesn't seem to have same issues...I would take the S3 for 50+ dollars less anyday....The asus mobo in every product line are generally a ripoff...i am not saying Gigabyte is better, but there is generally a better maker making it cheaper...PPL like wearing Asus badges like some sort of honor.
You are right Asus has many problems and has had for years in all of their products...My MSI Neo2 board generally oc'd much better at the time of my 3000+ then any Asus mobo that didn't have to have countless hardmods to it.
I will give you one thing...I would rather have an asus mobo for this E6600, but I wont pay the premium (it is what it is!!!) to get perhaps another 100-200mhz out of this chip...
The DS3 is pretty bug ridden. The S3 is a better mobo for less price, hrm let me think which is better.
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Aside from the relatively low vdimm voltage(2.2, 2.1?), how come I never see the Biostar Tforce recommended? It goes for only around $105-$110, and Anand got his to 500FSB. It uses a different IDE controller than the other guys, which doesn't have some of the compatibility problems others are having, it doesn't have the 450FSB D9 memory wall that the DS3 has, and it's much cheaper than the Asus, albeit lacks features such as firewire and optical out (otherwise has the same features generally speaking).
Just curious. Granted, with the voltage limit, you're not going to be getting 1000+mhz 4-4-4 overclocks @ 500FSB, but with loosened timings I don't see a problem. I haven't checked their latest BIOS, so I don't know if any of their voltage or FSB values have increased lately (Anand said they were working on it).
Just curious. Granted, with the voltage limit, you're not going to be getting 1000+mhz 4-4-4 overclocks @ 500FSB, but with loosened timings I don't see a problem. I haven't checked their latest BIOS, so I don't know if any of their voltage or FSB values have increased lately (Anand said they were working on it).
n7
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Key word is history.
Meaning past, not current.
I have two Asus mobo presently sitting in my two systems beside me here, so don't think i am biased, but seriously, Asus is far from being "solid" these days, or especially the last few years.
They have more than their fair share of issues.
n7
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Neo2 :heart:
It was an awesome mobo for its time
I don't really understand why there are so many issues with the DS3 really.
The one that would kill me is having issues with D9 RAM past 450 though lol.
The scarey thing is that the DS3 was a major contender on my list of possible mobos for C2D when i was deciding on mine, & man, that issue would have pissed me off more than anything.
Oddly enough, i have had basically no issues with my P5B-D.
I can hit 500 so easily, no excessive voltage either.
One bump to vFSB & vNB to keep it stable, but nothing extra even needed for vSB or vICH.
Other people can't even get to 500 with voltages maxed, & are having strange PCI-e running @ 1x or 4x issues, which again, i've had no issues with.
I must say that i have been incredibly impressed with my P5B-D, even though @ $265 CND, it was the most expensive mobo i've ever bought.
I just hope mine doesn't develop any of the issues others are reporting...
thanks guys, it seems P5B-E and S3 both decent, with S3 been on the cheaper. Since I recommended my friend on getting D9 RAMs, DS3 will have to be dropped due to it's 450 D9 wall. However, I'm still undecided on P5B-E vs. S3. But considering S3 is adequate for his needs I don't think he needs to shell out that extra 30 bucks for P5B-E.
The P5B-E comes with a bracket for two extra USB ports and also firewire support. If your friend doesn't need those then the S3 will probably be fine for $40 less.
Don't forget though, that Asus motherboards are "Rock Solid" and "Heart Warming"
Don't forget though, that Asus motherboards are "Rock Solid" and "Heart Warming"
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