P4EE 3.4GHz Gallatin & Intel 865PE MOBO 180$

[EliteRetard]

Link @ Geeks.com

I looked around, from what I can tell the P4 3.4EE is roughly equivelent to an AMD 64 4000+ (single core). I couldnt find any information on the MOBO, other than whats on the website so this may or may not be hot. I think you could grab a 939 setup similar to this for around the same price, but I still thought it was worth a mention. Id think itd be hot if I could get just the chip at half that...I got an old 2.6 northwood that wouldnt mind an upgrade.

So, uh...there it is. Anyone got any comments/info on this MOBO or the CPU?

 

[BATCH71]

I owned this CPU for quite a while, I recently sold it to my father and it is cruising nicely in his lanmachine

Sweet chip and a steal at that price!

Dave

 

[EliteRetard]

Yeah I keep going back and forth over it...I kinda want the chip but dont really need the MOBO. No idea what the board is worth, but no more than 50-60$ would be my guess. Not sure if I want to pay 130$ for the CPU upgrade. Anyonw know if this CPU would work in a P4C800-E Deluxe? I cant remeber now which CPUs itll take. Hows about heat, how much warmer is this going to be over the 2.6 northwood? Would I need an aftermarket cooler?

Corse I guess I could resell the mobo and my 2.6 for 100$ or something...

 

[FDF12389]

Try and get a core 2 combo for 150~200 and then sell your old stuff, even if you have to save alittle over the next few months it will be better for you.

 

[FDF12389]

nvm lost the link

 

[Mir96TA]

O no
Out of Stock
I wanted it CPU)

 

[Smartazz]

I don't think that you need a good mobo for that cpu because those have an unlocked muliplier if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Auric]

They also have a new 3.0E for $80, sporting 1MB L2, SSE3 and good o'erclockability which would be a significant upgrade from ye olde(r) 2.6 Northwood. I have a 3.0E myownself and would have liked to try out the 3.4EE with my current mobo. Selling off the Intel and 3.0E would have made it a negligible cost upgrade but alas they are indeed OOS.

Oh, wait, the Gallatin is on an older larger process and has half the L2 (but does have the additional L3). Not sure it would be worth messin' with for myself. Also, the 3.0E price is high... ewiz has 'em for $68.50.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Gallatin is much better than prescott for Socket 478, its a good processor, the question is whether or not it has an unlocked multiplier or not... Prescott only got decent when it was moved to 775..

 

[craftech]

Seven months ago Geeks had that same motherboard ( D865PEMA) for $46.99. Now they have it for $66.50 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=D865PEMA-WB&cpc=SCH

Seems to be the trend with socket 478 motherboards.

Maybe they have a Slot 1 deal for $899.99

By the way. That motherboard doesn't support Prescott.

John

 

[Lanyap]

The combo is still OOS but the CPU is in stock for $117 - 10% discount + Shipping . They had 65 earlier but are now down to 28 so they are going fast.

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P43400F478&cat=CPU

 

[ImDonly1]

People are buying these bare CPU's on eBay for about $150+ ...

 

[ImDonly1]

They are back in stock about ~350ish.

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P43400F478&cat=CPU

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Lanyap
The combo is still OOS but the CPU is in stock for $117 - 10% discount + Shipping . They had 65 earlier but are now down to 28 so they are going fast.

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P43400F478&cat=CPU

now $119 ... but i got one ... i *jumped*

it is a cheap upgrade for my 2.80c which barely makes 3.31Ghz ... now that i have a AGP x1950p/512M i'll *un-bottleneck* it

i have an Abit Ic7 ... so this baby should also O/C ... maybe 3.8 Ghz if i am lucky

thanks!

 

[hytek369]

Originally posted by: FDF12389
Try and get a core 2 combo for 150~200 and then sell your old stuff, even if you have to save alittle over the next few months it will be better for you.

i agree, isn't a overclocked core 2 duo faster

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: hytek369

Originally posted by: FDF12389
Try and get a core 2 combo for 150~200 and then sell your old stuff, even if you have to save alittle over the next few months it will be better for you.

i agree, isn't a overclocked core 2 duo faster

sure ... but i have an old AGP Abit ic7 with a 2.80c @3.2 Ghz

... the rest of the system is *decent* - x1950p-512mb/1GB PC3500/850w OCz PS and i don't want to *toss* it --or spend BIG bucks for an new pciE video card, RAM, CPU and MB ... for not 'much more' performance.

for $120-$40[for my 2.80c] = $80 for a *cheap* CPU upgrade ...

i can expect to UN-bottleneck my x1950p since my 3.4EE should hit 3.6 or 3.8Ghz pretty easily [i don't think the multiplyer is unlocked ... just up the FSB ... i have plenty of dividers as my RAM is 'only' PC3500]

anyway it is in queue for shipment .... i-bit
... for my a-bit

 

[butch84]

For some reason, that P4EE is tempting for my old rig.... even though a current gen cpu could be had for that price. I have absolutely no need to upgrade my second rig, so I'm going to resist. Must.... resist.... argggggh!

 

[Auric]

Perusing benchmarks, the L3 does help significantly in games. But otherwise it isn't quite up to snuff as it is akin to Northwood so is pretty much maxed out frequency wise, is on big arse 130nm, runs hot, lacks SSE3 and as said has a paltry (half-sized) 8KB L1 and 512KB L2.

I still wouldn't mind trying one out though just for giggles and my only reservation is the "geek special" designation invalidating the 10% discount, if I recall. Also, my 3.0E Prescott happily runs cool 'n' quiet 'n' reliably 'n' quite peppily 'n' prolly has more oc left in it than the 3.6 if desired. Indeed, if I do fail to resist rather than selling the 3.0E to recoup the difference, I'd prolly keep it to put back in when I pass on the system to a family member and sell the 3.4EE instead. Hard to believe those things sold for almost a $1000 three years ago.

apoppin, you do realize you are obligated to follow up with your results?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Auric
Perusing benchmarks, the L3 does help significantly in games. But otherwise it isn't quite up to snuff as it is akin to Northwood so is pretty much maxed out frequency wise, is on big arse 130nm, runs hot, lacks SSE3 and as said has a paltry (half-sized) 8KB L1 and 512KB L2.

I still wouldn't mind trying one out though just for giggles and my only reservation is the "geek special" designation invalidating the 10% discount, if I recall. Also, my 3.0E Prescott happily runs cool 'n' quiet 'n' reliably 'n' quite peppily 'n' prolly has more oc left in it than the 3.6 if desired. Indeed, if I do fail to resist rather than selling the 3.0E to recoup the difference, I'd prolly keep it to put back in when I pass on the system to a family member and sell the 3.4EE instead. Hard to believe those things sold for almost a $1000 three years ago.

apoppin, you do realize you are obligated to follow up with your results?

where do you come up with this?


i had to look to make sure it wasn't Video



i think they sold for well over $1,000
:Q

and my NW also has 512kB L2 and is also "big arse 130nm" ... the Prescott got more L2 is 90nm but ran a lot hotter ... originally

the EE is Gallatin core based on the Intel Xeon ... with the 2MB cache is the "extreme edition" former flagship [which still got whipped by A64, but closer contest]

it is quite a fast proc and the later steppings run cooler than the early ones ... including better O/Cers ... if i am "average lucky" i should get 3.6 to 3.8Ghz handily and possible more with a stable PS and a good voltage boost ... hence the OverKill OCZ [for next year's sli/barcelona] ... plenty of dividers on my MB so the RAM won't hold me back much ... and no 64 bit nonsense 'added'

as to the 10% i wasan't expecting anything on sale to be further discounted ... i have done business with the geeks for a long time now. ... $125 is a *good price* over last month. .... and i think i see 2.80c's going for ~$40.

of course, you'll hear all about it ... i am hoping to take my 3DMark05 score from 8075 to 9K ... doable?

 

[Auric]

Price is $110 now, minus 1.5% fatcash, minus 1.5% CC cash back is aboot $115 shipped (still a "sale" though so 10% still invalid I guess)... but more tempting nonetheless.

Lanyap mentioned a stock of 28 remaining a week ago but now it's 78/100 so they've got tonnes of 'em (okay, pounds of 'em). Makes one wonder who dumped 'em and took the big loss and what price compeeks paid for 'em. Unless they came directly from Intel and they just wrote them off but that would seem unlikely if there is still any replacement market.

eBay is awash with them now too and of course at lower prices with several sellers shamelessly using compgeeks' photo to resell their recent purchase(s).

Anyhoo, you're prolly gonna have one of the fastest AGP systems in existence which will put many a PCIe to shame for much less effort and negligible expense. Bravo


Some interesting articles:

computerpoweruser

gamepc

sSpec SL7CH
Core Voltage = 1.575V & TDP = 102.9W !!! vs. 1.25V-1.4V & 89W for Prescott.

 

[apoppin]

preliminary results:


... i went to PC Club B&M and picked out the TT regular Prescott Cooler [to 3.6Ghz] so i can test my CPU and return or upgrade it easily.


Well, booted into BIOS with it and noticed temperatures were down from almost 80c to high 50s .... o/c'd it [FSB > 212 1:1 divider ... an *easy one* to 3.6Ghz and still low 60s]

Ran 3DMark05 ... 9137 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so ... in my identical rig ... no changes *except* from a 2.80c @3.25Ghz at 8075 to a 3.4EE @ 3.6Ghz is *over* 1,000 marks
:Q

i haven tried 3.7 or 3.8 ... i may have to drop the memory divider ... but my upgrade IS significant

i bet i can get over 10,000 if i OC my X1950p/512M also

not bad for AGP ... and imo, a substantial upgrade ... for $80[total]

 

[Auric]

Schweet. For comparison my P3600 & 7600GT (auto OC'd) only manages a 3DM05 of 6500.

But I don't follow the multiplier & divider sitiation... it was running happily at 232, n'est ce pas? Or was that at less than 1:1? So you dropped the FSB to 212 but normalized the ratio to 1:1 to start with?

I never pressed my Prescott 3.0E as it was a upgrade from/replacement for a 2.4C (which suffered the all too common Northwood Sudden Death Syndrome) which ran at 242 FSB so I essentially just plopped in the Prescott and carried on but of course then at 3600 instead of 2900. At the time, Prescott was cheaper than the comparable Northwood as is usually the case when production switches and thus the higher-end of the previous generation holds its value for some time in the upgrade market.

So, my RAM is no problemo as it is rated for 267 but this EE geezer wouldn't make anywhere near 242 (the akin Northwood would not, and the increased cache just adds to the impossibility). So I wonder how much of the potential gain would be lost by a much lower FSB (and thus at best roughly equivalent CPU frequency)? Then also on the media side by fallback from SSE3 to SSE2 (which is particularly used for HD AVC decode)? Also, the aforementioned voltage and TDP increases are frightening as is the related heat.

I suppose I could try it at little risk cost wise but I'm not sure if I'm up to the fiddling at the mo'... recall securing the CNPS7000-AlCu was a bit of a hassle and would not look forward to redoing that again once or twice (in addition to cabling).

You may wanna try ClockGen to more quickly narrow down the ideal FSB from within Windows. Got linky to the heat sink so I know what yer talkin aboot?

 

[apoppin]

final update ... it tops out at exactly 3.7Ghz ... verrrrry nice

which isn't bad considering the very fastest P4 EE topped out at 3.73 ... pretty much the upper *limit* of the architecture ... although some do O/C further with a voltage boost.

mine can't go higher even raising the vcore from 1.55 to 1.60 ... and the memory is still at 1:1 ... within the limits of my PC3500 which makes it over 220FSB - although i DID try 5:4 for higher FSBs over 218.

the temps are almost UNchanged from 3.4Ghz and 3.7Ghz ... a couple of degrees ... so i won't bother with an exotic cooler.

Final result ... only the cpu being changes
my x1950p/512M is at stock speeds--

My 2.80c @ 3.25Ghz [5:4 divider] gets 8075 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.7Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9280 in 3DMark05

My 2.80c @ 3.31Ghz [5:4 divider] got 6550 in 3DMark05 with my 7800GS OC [moderately o/c'd]



worth it ... and i won't need better RAM

the cooler is a cheapie ... ThermalTake TR2-M12 ... all copper & rated for Prescott 3.6Ghz

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin
final update ... it tops out at exactly 3.7Ghz ... verrrrry nice

which isn't bad considering the very fastest P4 EE topped out at 3.73 ... pretty much the upper *limit* of the architecture ... although some do O/C further with a voltage boost.

mine can't go higher even raising the vcore from 1.55 to 1.60 ... and the memory is still at 1:1 ... within the limits of my PC3500 which makes it over 220FSB - although i DID try 5:4 for higher FSBs over 218.

the temps are almost UNchanged from 3.4Ghz and 3.7Ghz ... a couple of degrees ... so i won't bother with an exotic cooler.

Final result ... only the cpu being changes
my x1950p/512M is at stock speeds--

My 2.80c @ 3.25Ghz [5:4 divider] gets 8075 in 3DMark05
my 3.4EE @ 3.7Ghz [1:1 divider] gets 9280 in 3DMark05

My 2.80c @ 3.31Ghz [5:4 divider] got 6550 in 3DMark05 with my 7800GS OC [moderately o/c'd]



worth it ... and i won't need better RAM

the cooler is a cheapie ... ThermalTake TR2-M12 ... all copper & rated for Prescott 3.6Ghz

Is a big increase with that CPU!! I can't wait to get mine which is in the Fedex Central Office near my house!!