I know how much better the A64s are supposed to be for gaming, and there seems to be varying margins in most benchmarks I have read. So my question is, for a S754 3000+ vs. a P4 3.2 478, how much difference am I going to see in games if the system is otherwise identical?
P4 vs. A64 (3.2 vs. 3000+) in Gaming
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Learn to do a search at the hardware forums for reviews...
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-15.html
There is one though....
It appears in the few I looked at the 3.2ghz was faster in opengl games but slower in Direct x games (some by what would be noticebale numbers).....
In some of those apps the northwood was faster then its prescott brother......
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-15.html
There is one though....
It appears in the few I looked at the 3.2ghz was faster in opengl games but slower in Direct x games (some by what would be noticebale numbers).....
In some of those apps the northwood was faster then its prescott brother......
Markfw
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Why are you comparing those two CPU's ? They are not priced alike, and not even rated to be competetors. If you were comparing by price a 3400+ is still $10 less (on newegg) than either of the 2 P4 3.2's I could find. The 3000 is only $139 or $146 !!! The P4's were $228 and $232.
I'm comparing because I have a 3000+ and was offered a trade for a 3.2 P4, and I'm interested in moving back to an ice cube SFF, which is a S478 board, since my Aria runs WAY too hot.
As I implied, I DID read those reviews, and the CPU benches from Tom's were much closer than the CPU benches from Anand main, so I was trying to get some real world opinions.
NP....I dont really game so I cant say......
Go with these rules...
1) Toms sucks more then most.......
2) anything in the under 5% range is probably unnoticeable
3) 5-15% gain range is minimal
4) 10% range is noticeable
5) 15+% is nice
I wouldn't change a rig for 10% or less but if I was buying new I get which one wins whether it was a fraction in one review and a lot in another.....the truth or average is probably somewhere more in the middle..Though I say look at reviews at TechReport, Xbit, also and dont rely on Toms....
Go with these rules...
1) Toms sucks more then most.......
2) anything in the under 5% range is probably unnoticeable
3) 5-15% gain range is minimal
4) 10% range is noticeable
5) 15+% is nice
I wouldn't change a rig for 10% or less but if I was buying new I get which one wins whether it was a fraction in one review and a lot in another.....the truth or average is probably somewhere more in the middle..Though I say look at reviews at TechReport, Xbit, also and dont rely on Toms....
AMD is clearly the best platform for gaming. By choosing Intel right off the bat you are flawed from my point of view.
If you dont OC and like to multitask or encode I would take the trade....For gaming I would stick with the cooler running and probably slightly faster chip....
Elfear
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If you like to oc, I'd think you'd see better gains from the 3000+. A 400MHz oc on the 3000+ is a piece of cake and you'll see better gains than a 400MHz oc on the 3.2C which also isn't too hard. A lot of guys are seeing 2.4-2.6GHz on their 3000+s which would perform pretty close to AMD's top-of-the-line chips. I'm not sure what most 3.2C chips are reaching but I'll bet they're still behind an oced Winchester in gaming.
Kind of depends on the games you play too. Doom3 and FarCry don't seem to gain a lot from a faster cpu (within reason of course) while HL2 sees some nice increases in fps.
Edit: You guys beat me to the punch
Kind of depends on the games you play too. Doom3 and FarCry don't seem to gain a lot from a faster cpu (within reason of course) while HL2 sees some nice increases in fps.
Edit: You guys beat me to the punch
I don't OC, though I guess I could try. In my current case, I get 60C idles with a CNPS7000-cu & AS5. (Like I said, go Aria). So I'd have to change that to bring that into the discussion.
Yeah, the cooling sucks, and it's crowded in there, with a big beefy video card and SB Audigy, I vent out what I can, but there's a reason that people say the Aria cooling is not very good. 
To have like 60c idling on an A64 3000+ is to have no case cooling and probably still the hsf on incorrectly...I do no believe that temp, though I am not calling you a liar....Is this in a SFF box???
I expect this from a prescott in a poorly ventilated box, but even that is high idle for it....
I expect this from a prescott in a poorly ventilated box, but even that is high idle for it....
I was going to say the real world difference is the price, where the 1.8GHz A64 can compete with as much as a 3.6GHz P4 depending upon what game you're playing (in that case it'd be HL2, whereas in Doom 3 its more along the lines of a 3.2GHz P4...).
Real world performance is negligable, but I helped a friend just last night to realize he'd be saving a good $70 on an A64 upgrade over a slower P4 upgrade (for gaming, which is all he really uses a fast computer for). $70 is a fair chunk of cash, especially when he's a student and can't afford the best of everything. Not to mention the extra $70 could be used towards updgrading the potential video card which helps in gaming much more than the CPU...
It is a SFF box, the Antec Aria, with one case fan, which is also the power supply fan, and one poorly laid out cyclone blower. They try to vent it otherwise. I've installed this in two separate Arias, with the generic "white goop" compound, and AS5. Unless I'm setting it up horribly wrong. I used this same 3000+ in a Super Lanboy, with just the case fans and a CNPS7000-AlCu, and using AS5, got ~37C idles when the fans were at full blast.
What board was that chip on??? 37c idle is not bad though considering the newcastle is the 130nm part and according to reviews ran a few degrees more....I would drop kick that SFF box out the door...that is pathetic...that cub is supposed to be pretty good though, right???
In the Aria, it was on an MSI K8MM-ILSR mATX board. In the SLB, it was in a DFI Lanparty UT NF3 board.
The curse of the Aria is that it's supposed to be quiet, so that's an excuse for horrible cooling, I guess.
Last time I had an FIC Ice Cube I got perfectly decent temps on a 2.4 ghz P4, it was just too loud (because of all the glass). But now that I have a shuttle zen as my second PC, noise is much less of a concern.
The curse of the Aria is that it's supposed to be quiet, so that's an excuse for horrible cooling, I guess.
Last time I had an FIC Ice Cube I got perfectly decent temps on a 2.4 ghz P4, it was just too loud (because of all the glass). But now that I have a shuttle zen as my second PC, noise is much less of a concern.
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