it has already been said before but here i go again:
the P4 may be able to reach 3ghz and be a bit faster than AMD but if you look at prices you see that P4 cost twice as much!
here are prices from my local parts place (Canadian currancy)
AMD-OEM ATHLON XP 2000+ SOCKET A $525.00
INTEL® PENTIUM® 4 PGA478 RETAIL P4 2.2 GHZ $1,085.00
one is retail and one is OEM but still, WTF man? what kind of crap is intel trying to pull?
the P4 may be able to reach 3ghz and be a bit faster than AMD but if you look at prices you see that P4 cost twice as much!
here are prices from my local parts place (Canadian currancy)
AMD-OEM ATHLON XP 2000+ SOCKET A $525.00
INTEL® PENTIUM® 4 PGA478 RETAIL P4 2.2 GHZ $1,085.00
one is retail and one is OEM but still, WTF man? what kind of crap is intel trying to pull?
NonTechGuy: Supply and demand. If you want the AMD chip, buy it. Companies like Dell pay a premium for Intel chips when they first come out, so there aren't as many on the market as AMD. Also, there are some demand for quieter and slightly more stable systems, not to mention the brand name.
Trust me, Intel knows what they are doing..trying to maximize shareholder profits.
Trust me, Intel knows what they are doing..trying to maximize shareholder profits.
<< doesn't look like AMD can compete when the P4 goes to 3, 4 , 5+ ghz >>
Thats okay. My 1.4GHz T-birdy is fast enough for me for now. I don't feel the need to be at the sharpest point of the technology needle all the time at the cost of paying exponentially high price. 2x for 10% more perforce, 4x for 20% more.
Kinda scary to think that a few months ago a 1.4GHz T-bird WAS the pinnacle of technology but now is just "pretty fast" and an XP @ 1.33GHz or faster is close to becoming the standard fare for consumer machines.
if you want bragging rights to a bunch of non-tech people and you don't actually do anything with your computer, you get a P4
if you want bragging rights to tech people and you want to look smart by getting the best bang for the buck you get an AMD
if you want bragging rights to tech people and you want to look smart by getting the best bang for the buck you get an AMD
<< More like $650 for a Northwood 2.2ghz. Hehe, talk about rip-off processors! >>
At that price wouldnt you be better off running a Dual Athlon MP setup. Curious minds wanna know...
FreAk
I just can't get past my AMD phobia...I'll pay the extra cash...call it a pet peeve (or stupid, take your pick).
Intel OEM P4 2.2 ==> $553
AMD OEM XP 2000+ ==> $284
You can take your pick of either a SIS 735 or VIA KT266A motherboard and also get a GeForce3 TI 200 card to go along with the XP 2000+ and still it would be cheaper or the same price as just the P4 at 2.2.
Why go Intel again? I forgot already.
AMD OEM XP 2000+ ==> $284
You can take your pick of either a SIS 735 or VIA KT266A motherboard and also get a GeForce3 TI 200 card to go along with the XP 2000+ and still it would be cheaper or the same price as just the P4 at 2.2.
Why go Intel again? I forgot already.
<< Don't be too hard on the guy, he prolly thinks Windows ME rox. >>
Are you suggesting that it doesn't :Q?!?!?!
LOL! The first mistake here was putting a thread like this in a overwhelmingly AMD forum!
<< why would anyone need 3 ghz anyway? >>
Damned..........seems it wasn't that long ago that exact same sentence was written but 1 ghz was in place of 3 ghz.........
As for the price, well, it seems high as hell for a proc., but, $553 (which is what they can be had for, not $650) isn't that much more than original 700Mhz procs. when they debuted. I don't particularly like it, but, to be honest, AMD is going to have to raise also if they want to secure their bottom line. As was mentioned above, investors like seeing their product used and in demand, but, more than anything, they like divedends and bottom line. AMD was downgraded to a "sell" a few weeks ago much to my dismay as I own some shares. This came as AMD actually gained a little marketshare which makes it even more disturbing! I know everyone like prices to be as low as they can be, but, the market can do terrible things to a company whose performance financially is lacking and right now, because of their price structure, AMD is. How long will the "Major" investors stand for this????? Not long the way it sounds.........AMD shipped more product in Q3 & Q4, but made drasticly less money than Intel in those quarters just in the proccessor market and ended up with an annual report in the red. While 2001 was bad for both companies, Intel actually showed a respectable profit in the same sector AMD showed lossses! Something has to be done to correct this and the only viable solution will be raising prices somewhat and having less price cuts on older product. I'm not saying AMD needs to move as high as Intel, but, they need to prop up their bottom line or they could be in real trouble down the road! Many anyalists now see AMD merging or being bought in the next 12 months and to be honest, I'd rather not see this as it most often ends up hurting the product and both companies........
<< why would anyone need 3 ghz anyway? >>
Damned..........seems it wasn't that long ago that exact same sentence was written but 1 ghz was in place of 3 ghz.........
As for the price, well, it seems high as hell for a proc., but, $553 (which is what they can be had for, not $650) isn't that much more than original 700Mhz procs. when they debuted. I don't particularly like it, but, to be honest, AMD is going to have to raise also if they want to secure their bottom line. As was mentioned above, investors like seeing their product used and in demand, but, more than anything, they like divedends and bottom line. AMD was downgraded to a "sell" a few weeks ago much to my dismay as I own some shares. This came as AMD actually gained a little marketshare which makes it even more disturbing! I know everyone like prices to be as low as they can be, but, the market can do terrible things to a company whose performance financially is lacking and right now, because of their price structure, AMD is. How long will the "Major" investors stand for this????? Not long the way it sounds.........AMD shipped more product in Q3 & Q4, but made drasticly less money than Intel in those quarters just in the proccessor market and ended up with an annual report in the red. While 2001 was bad for both companies, Intel actually showed a respectable profit in the same sector AMD showed lossses! Something has to be done to correct this and the only viable solution will be raising prices somewhat and having less price cuts on older product. I'm not saying AMD needs to move as high as Intel, but, they need to prop up their bottom line or they could be in real trouble down the road! Many anyalists now see AMD merging or being bought in the next 12 months and to be honest, I'd rather not see this as it most often ends up hurting the product and both companies........
Every 100MHz tacked onto the P4's clock speed exponentially adds price... that P4 3.0 is probably like $1500 (it would be, if it was retail)
I'm not ever switching "back" to Intel unless their prices come down and their proprietary Intel hardware goes down, like RAMBUS and Intel only chipsets. Not that they "suck", but if you want a P4, you HAVE to have this stuff, which I think is h0rse sh!t.
I'm not ever switching "back" to Intel unless their prices come down and their proprietary Intel hardware goes down, like RAMBUS and Intel only chipsets. Not that they "suck", but if you want a P4, you HAVE to have this stuff, which I think is h0rse sh!t.
<< Every 100MHz tacked onto the P4's clock speed exponentially adds price... that P4 3.0 is probably like $1500 (it would be, if it was retail)
I'm not ever switching "back" to Intel unless their prices come down and their proprietary Intel hardware goes down, like RAMBUS and Intel only chipsets. Not that they "suck", but if you want a P4, you HAVE to have this stuff, which I think is h0rse sh!t. >>
Hmmm, just an FYI........RDRAM is about the same or lower than most name brand DDRRAM right now and a lot of the P4 mobos are as cheap or cheaper than Athlon mobos..........
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<< LOL! The first mistake here was putting a thread like this in a overwhelmingly AMD forum!
<< why would anyone need 3 ghz anyway? >>
Damned..........seems it wasn't that long ago that exact same sentence was written but 1 ghz was in place of 3 ghz.........
>>You're right. But right now, I don't care what app youre running, 3ghz is not necessary. Hell I don't even need all of my 1.4 ghz. For that much money, it's just silly, IMO. Sure, down the road there will be applications and such which may require 3ghz, but by that time, they won't cost $530.
My point is, right now, there is nothing you could run that would justify $530 for a processor. Of course, just my 2 cents.
<<
<< LOL! The first mistake here was putting a thread like this in a overwhelmingly AMD forum!
<< why would anyone need 3 ghz anyway? >>
Damned..........seems it wasn't that long ago that exact same sentence was written but 1 ghz was in place of 3 ghz.........
>>You're right. But right now, I don't care what app youre running, 3ghz is not necessary. Hell I don't even need all of my 1.4 ghz. For that much money, it's just silly, IMO. Sure, down the road there will be applications and such which may require 3ghz, but by that time, they won't cost $530.
My point is, right now, there is nothing you could run that would justify $530 for a processor. Of course, just my 2 cents. >>
Well, if you look at it that way, there are probably few if any apps. normal users run that can/will use a 1Ghz proc.! LOL!
But, I like trying the new stuff and have 2 of each AMD and Intel and plenty of time on my hands to futz with them........<< Hmmm, just an FYI........RDRAM is about the same or lower than most name brand DDRRAM right now and a lot of the P4 mobos are as cheap or cheaper than Athlon mobos..........
>>Supply and demand my friend, supply and demand. Everyone and their uncle wants a computer with DDR-RAM. Nobody would touch RDRAM with a ten foot pole. Demand increases faster than supply: prices increase.
And besides... Rambus (the company) is a money hungry, thieving monopolist who steals and sues when they can't otherwise compete. Even if the price of RDRAM was halved I still wouldn't buy it!
<<
<< Every 100MHz tacked onto the P4's clock speed exponentially adds price... that P4 3.0 is probably like $1500 (it would be, if it was retail)
I'm not ever switching "back" to Intel unless their prices come down and their proprietary Intel hardware goes down, like RAMBUS and Intel only chipsets. Not that they "suck", but if you want a P4, you HAVE to have this stuff, which I think is h0rse sh!t. >>
Hmmm, just an FYI........RDRAM is about the same or lower than most name brand DDRRAM right now and a lot of the P4 mobos are as cheap or cheaper than Athlon mobos..........
>>Oh boy, where do I start!
Intel:
One stick of Rambus, 128 MB, must be bought in pairs: $34
One stick of Rambus, 256 MB, must be bought in pairs: $70
i845 motherboards that cripple the P4 because they support SDRAM: $78
i850 motherboards: $101
AMD:
One stick of 128 MB DDR: $29
One stick of 256 MB DDR: $55
Via KT266A motherboards that support DDR: $67
SIS 735 motherboards that support DDR: $53
From what I can find AMD is cheaper for everything, not just the CPU.
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<< Every 100MHz tacked onto the P4's clock speed exponentially adds price... that P4 3.0 is probably like $1500 (it would be, if it was retail)
I'm not ever switching "back" to Intel unless their prices come down and their proprietary Intel hardware goes down, like RAMBUS and Intel only chipsets. Not that they "suck", but if you want a P4, you HAVE to have this stuff, which I think is h0rse sh!t. >>
Hmmm, just an FYI........RDRAM is about the same or lower than most name brand DDRRAM right now and a lot of the P4 mobos are as cheap or cheaper than Athlon mobos..........
>>Oh boy, where do I start!
Intel:
One stick of Rambus, 128 MB, must be bought in pairs: $34
One stick of Rambus, 256 MB, must be bought in pairs: $70
i845 motherboards that cripple the P4 because they support SDRAM: $78
i850 motherboards: $101
AMD:
One stick of 128 MB DDR: $29
One stick of 256 MB DDR: $55
Via KT266A motherboards that support DDR: $67
SIS 735 motherboards that support DDR: $53
From what I can find AMD is cheaper for everything, not just the CPU. >>
Well, you could start by comparing name brands as most people buy and as was stated!
LOL!Samsung RDRAM:
80450
Samsung Original RAMBUS 128MB 800MHz Memory : $38.00
80455
Samsung Original RAMBUS 256MB 800MHz Memory : $70.00
Crucial:
256MB $95.99 $86.39 CT3272Z265
128MB $54.99 $49.49 CT1672Z265
As far as the "In-Pairs" thing.........so buy 2X64 = 128 and so on!
As for the mobos...........take the two most popular brands here on A/T..............Asus & Abit............
Abit KR7-RAID: $172.00 + Shipping
Abit TH7II-RAID: $162.00 + shipping
Asus P4T E: $158.00
Asus A7V: $160.00
Sure.............I can find lots of cheap solutions for both like the SiS P4 board......but lets stay with the most popular of each to provide the most accurate results!
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