P4 Isn't Ready for AMD

[Maximus22]

Have you seen those benchmarks at Aces? P4 is slower than the P3 in most cases. What do you think is going to happen to Intel when AMD finally gets its dual processor and DDR chipsets out. Personally I think hat Intel will lose A LOT of business.

 

[squirrel dog]

Maximum Pc has a good article about the p4 in this months issue.Maybe you should check it out.

 

[Remedy]

Maximum PC is Maximum BS and you know it!

 

[steelthorn]

Maximum PC is the best computer mag out there!

 

[Modus]

Maximum PC is substandard single-ply toilet paper.

Modus

 

[Dark4ng3l]

the p4 wil suck if these are real.

 

[pdo]

last month MaximumPC recommend a CeleronII over a Duron. Let's see what they're gonna say this months.

 

[sandorski]

Maximum PC used to be the best computer mag, especially when it was called Boot, but times have changed and MaxPC has faltered.

 

[utopia]

MaxPC dont even know what CPU stands for!

 

[RagingGuardian]

Maximum PC thinks the C2 can outperform the Duron. They'd also think that P4 is the coming of God.

 

[LXi]

Modus: Did you read that Celeron vs Duron article? That was a load of bullshit.

 

[OS]

Isn't the P4 hardware not yet finalized? It might be premature to say the P4 can't hang cause back when firingsquad had early athlon benchmarks, they weren't very good either. Obviously that's quite a contrast to now.

 

[thorin]

Ok I'll admitt I don't even read it, but where do you come up with these oh so insightful comments?

"Maximum PC is substandard single-ply toilet paper. Modus "

Thorin

 

[RagingGuardian]

Being a Maximum PC subscriber I'd have to agree with Modus. The entire staff seems to be either extremely biased or lack the technical knowledge to do their jobs correctly. Take it as you may. Thank God I didn't spend a dime for the subscription.

 

[Shudder]

CPU - Computer Pentium Unit

With everything I try to go with the averages. If 99 reviews say the Duron kills a Celeron, that 1 that disagrees can lick my sack.

We'll see when the P4 gets here. It WILL sell simply because to the consumer "It has a faster meguh-hurts"

 

[lowtech1]

Will see what the P4 can do when it ships. And, if Intel can tweak its process before the shipping dead line...I doubted that it would gain much more than the current bench.

Intel couldn?t have dropped the P4 price before ship if it is a great performer. Personally I doubted that Intel P4 is a true rocket, because Intel have the habit of pricing their new release close to $1000 or more. Intel low introducing price and P4 price drop indicated that AMD is whipping Intel a$$.

 

[Rigoletto]

Hey shudder the MHz ain't meaningless.

 

[Jonny]

Its actually too bad, I didn't have plans to buy one if it was good, but it all brings prices down.

But really, would intel ever realease this thing if the performance is exactly the same (if not worse) than the p3??

 

[bernse]

They released the P2, didn't they? A overclocked Pentium MMX was serious competition for a similarily clocked P2, if memory serves.

 

[OS]

actually, yes. I believe pentium MMXs when running 100 mhz bus were about equivalent in speed to P2s of the same clock rate. However, the P2 had a more scalable architecture (cache at 1/2 cpu speed vs bus speed) and the FPU was a bit faster.

 

[HaVoC]

Berne, I don't think so. Maybe only in 16-bit integer apps.

The jump from P55 core to the P6 core was HUGE. P6 is a much more advanced deeply-pipelined superscalar core than the Pentium.

Clock for clock, the PII with the 512k backside cache had a significant performance advantage over an equally clocked P5 MMX, especially in FPU intensive apps. I think your are confusing this with the PII vs the Pentium Pro where the PPro COULD be faster in certain cache intensive apps clock-for-clock since it has full-speed integrated cache.

 

[Rent]

Anyone remember the revised Celeron A performing almost exactly on par w/Pentium 2s?

 

[OS]

Havoc

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=160

It's actually kind of close, considering that Pentiums have their cache running at bus speed. Plus the P2 has a 10 mhz advantage. On a super socket 7 motherboard + 1mb of cache + 100 mhz bus, the Pentium MMX is roughly the same performance as a P2 at equal clock speed.

 

[bernse]

Thanks for the link. I know a guy personally that got his hands on a Intel engineering sample of a Pentium 266MMX (not a P2). He said it was a great little chip.. prefered it over his P2. He still has it too I believe.

 

[HaVoC]

At the time, applications were not very well optimized for the PII architecture. Also, with the older half-speed cache configuration may very well have lost out to the P5 in instructions-per-clock. The deeper pipelines of the P6 core allowed for the higher clock rates we see today that would not be possible with the P5 core. I think that's the idea behind Willamette, lower IPC traded for MUCH higher clock scaling.