P4 Emergency Edition is now <1000!!!

[Sunner]

Yeah, but even that 1.3 GHz I-2 will probably run you quite a bit more than $2K.

 

[Schadenfroh]

lol, probbably cause only about 3 people bought one

 

[FishTankX]

http://store.yahoo.com/tonyh/init214ghz1c.html

 

[Sunner]

Damn, quite a bit cheaper than around here, a 1.5 GHz'er is $8.300, of course
Still, that's ~50% more than the EE, and the EE still has it beat slightly in SpecFP and by quite a bit in SpecINT.

But of course, this is a rather hypothetical discussion, seeing as they'll be running completely different software and all, but still, it would be interesting which one would do better in stuff like Q3

 

[Pariah]

When you factor in the $6,500 entry fee for a lowend Itanium 2 system just to get your hands on a motherboard, the 2 platforms are no where near competetively priced vs each other.

 

[FishTankX]

The Itanium will destroy the P4 in anything branch intensive. Or in anything making full use of 64 bit programing.

 

[littlebitstrouds]

We're comparing a stock car to the new Toyota Camry

 

[FishTankX]

The P4EE is an enthusiast X86 CPU, an Itanium is a workhorse workstation CPU. They do intersect in the ultra high workstation market, though.

 

[txxxx]

To take advantage of an Itanium, you'd need software that could take advantage of its parallel execution based architecture, otherwise it goes to waste.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Pariah
When you factor in the $6,500 entry fee for a lowend Itanium 2 system just to get your hands on a motherboard, the 2 platforms are no where near competetively priced vs each other.

Actually, the entry level is about $3000 for a complete LV Itanium II system.

Originally posted by: Sunner

Damn, quite a bit cheaper than around here, a 1.5 GHz'er is $8.300, of course
Still, that's ~50% more than the EE, and the EE still has it beat slightly in SpecFP and by quite a bit in SpecINT.

The 1.5Ghz has 6MB of cache. The die is huge in comparison with the 1.5MB cache ones, and thus the yield is quite a bit lower. I'm pretty sure the 1.4Ghz/1.5MB will beat the 3.2-EE in SpecFP.

 

[Rectalfier]

Originally posted by: nick1985
@ newegg

stock up on them while you can! :beer:

Yeah stock them up, it'a so cheap now. What is this a price special on potato chips? I outta slap you.

 

[Pariah]

Not sure where you're shopping, but HP had the cheapest Itanium 2 system I could find. $5,730 for a 1GHz 1.5MB Itanium 2. A 1.5GHz 6MB system starts at $11,380.

Dell's cheapest 1GHz system (PowerEdge 3250) is almost $8000. The only 1.5GHz 6MB result on the above linked SPEC website was a Dell PowerEdge 3250. Price? How about $20,815 with no OS, no monitor, not even a mouse.

IBM had nothing lower than $20,000, though I only used their wizard which may be inaccurate.

 

[NokiaDude]

Maybe I can get one after three months at my soon to be job at the local theater.....

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Not sure where you're shopping, but HP had the cheapest Itanium 2 system I could find. $5,730 for a 1GHz 1.5MB Itanium 2. A 1.5GHz 6MB system starts at $11,380.

Look under HP's ZX2000 workstation. The minimum price has been raised since the last I checked (from ~$3200 to $3800). It's a complete 900Mhz/1.5MB system, but for an extra $240, you can upgrade it to a 1.4Ghz/1.5MB system. A reasonably outfitted system comes out to around the $5000 mark.

Not cheap at all, but still better comparatively against competing Unix Iron.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Pariah
The only 1.5GHz 6MB result on the above linked SPEC website was a Dell PowerEdge 3250. Price? How about $20,815 with no OS, no monitor, not even a mouse.

add some paperclips to get it above $20,816 for free shipping.

 

[Pariah]

Those are quite a bit cheaper. $3900 for a 900MHz. I thought it was odd that the 1GHz CPU was $390 cheaper. So I looked on Intel's site for pricing and all it did was confuse me more. Anyone want to explain this one to me:

1.4GHz 1.5MB (.13) $1,172
1.0GHz 1.5MB (.18) $2,247
900MHz 1.5MB (.18) $1,338
1.0GHz 1.5MB (.18) $744

What's with the deal with two 1GHz models, one 3 times the cost of the other? And why would you buy a 900MHz when a 1.4GHz on a smaller process is $150 cheaper?

http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

 

[BoberFett]

Perhaps the expensive 900 and 1000 Mhz Itaniums are discontinued models that are incompatible in SMP systems with the newer 1000 and 1400?

 

[ViRGE]

Definately SMP issues, as Intel charges more for Itaniums that can go in bigger configurations, so the identical Itaniums you see there actually have different limits in how many of them can be in an SMP system. I also wouldn't be surprised if the .13 Itanium isn't verified for big clusters(>16) yet, explaining that price difference.

 

[Pariah]

HP is selling 1.5GHz Superdomes which only come in a .13, so lack of scaleability is definitely not the reason. The 1.3GHz (.13 only) which is available in all the HP mid/high range systems at $1338 list is the same price as the 900MHz and far cheaper than the more expensive 1GHz version. I don't think Intel lists the price of CPU's on their official price list that are discontinued.

Forgot to mention that the 1.3GHz version also comes with twice the cache (3MB). The 1.4GHz with 4MB costs the same as the 1GHz model. Intel really must not want to sell any of the lowend ones any mre.

 

[jhu]

i was able to get my itanium to $3062 from hp.

 

[nick1985]

lets keep arguing about the itanium since thats what this thread was about.

 

[Markfw]

Speaking of the P4EE, did anybody ever get a certified rating of the thermal output of this thing ? Anybody out there have one ? The only article I read about the subject, said (during the product review) that it was 137 watts thermal and they could definitely tell , since it was so hot in the room, even with airconditioning !

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Those are quite a bit cheaper. $3900 for a 900MHz. I thought it was odd that the 1GHz CPU was $390 cheaper. So I looked on Intel's site for pricing and all it did was confuse me more. Anyone want to explain this one to me:

1.4GHz 1.5MB (.13) $1,172
1.0GHz 1.5MB (.18) $2,247
900MHz 1.5MB (.18) $1,338
1.0GHz 1.5MB (.18) $744

What's with the deal with two 1GHz models, one 3 times the cost of the other? And why would you buy a 900MHz when a 1.4GHz on a smaller process is $150 cheaper?

http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

That reason is quite simple. If you'll notice, the .18 micron Itanium II's are much more expensive than the .13 micron Itanium II's. The die size is larger and they are more expensive to manufacture. That is the sole reason why they are more expensive. It has nothing to do with SMP or not. All Itanium chips can do up to 128 way.

I would wager that some older motherboards wouldnt support the .13micron design, but thats far fetched. Obviously, from the performance briefs, theres nothing better about the .18micron version compared to the .13micron. I believe the last entry (1.0Ghz 1.5MB (.18) $744) is a typo. It should be .13 micron.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Speaking of the P4EE, did anybody ever get a certified rating of the thermal output of this thing ? Anybody out there have one ? The only article I read about the subject, said (during the product review) that it was 137 watts thermal and they could definitely tell , since it was so hot in the room, even with airconditioning !

haha, thats the stuff

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: nick1985
lets keep arguing about the itanium since thats what this thread was about.

Not even sure why the subject changed. It's not as if the Itanium is going to make a decent gaming machine, the most likely market for the EE.