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HMMMM!!!! NO.....
The winchesters would be like the 600 series and the newcastles would be the 500series....So basically that would be the xps then.,..And sorry but overclocking an Xp even the best will not beat an FX55 in mosdt things....My 2.4c@3.5 in most of the non vid card dependent apps I have ran was faster then that overpriced monstrousity call the p4 7.3EE and the best 600series....
I agree we need to see how the 64bit code works oput, but you need to drop the intel fanboy shite and realize the prescott was one step forward and 2 steps back....
The northwood to the Prescott was a major core change...pipeline was lengthened by almost 150%,64 bit code added, SSE3 was added and l2 cache...With just the later it would be like a newcastle single channel m,em controller to winnies dual channel. No real change to the core...However cause of the 64bit code added and the pipeline it is more an architectural change (though they didn't change the p4 name) those like the XP to A64....
Intel has been anemic and pathetic to say the least the last year IMO.....More an more has time goes along I see my move to AMD was worth i...Intel failed me with their stupid-arse decisions, flawed vision of ramped mhz, and producing a chip that at same speed was worse then the preceding chip....
DrMrLordX
Lifer
Intel is treading water. I'm hoping they'll start releasing some interesting products later this year. The 6xx series P4s, while better than the 5xx series, are hardly worthy of note.
AMD's new Socket 754 Semprons on the 90 nm process, however, are certainly interesting. If only Avalon had a better board, we might know more about them by now.
AMD's new Socket 754 Semprons on the 90 nm process, however, are certainly interesting. If only Avalon had a better board, we might know more about them by now.
LTC8K6
Lifer
Well, we just disagree, Duvie. I think AMD hasn't gone very far in the last year and a half, either. They started off faster than Intel though, and have kept about the same lead.
No need for name calling, especially when I have posted many times that I am building an A64 system due to Intel's attitude about the throttling of the 3.6 and 3.8 LGA775 chips.
The more AMD users call me an Intel fanboy for giving my opinions, the more I wonder if I want to be an AMD user.....
AMD users around here are beginning to sound like Apple users. Looking down their noses at Intel users.....
It's a good thing I don't associate AMD with it's wannabe salesmen......
No need for name calling, especially when I have posted many times that I am building an A64 system due to Intel's attitude about the throttling of the 3.6 and 3.8 LGA775 chips.
The more AMD users call me an Intel fanboy for giving my opinions, the more I wonder if I want to be an AMD user.....
AMD users around here are beginning to sound like Apple users. Looking down their noses at Intel users.....
It's a good thing I don't associate AMD with it's wannabe salesmen......
?.. And Willamette, Northwood, P4E and 600 all have increasing cache size, "so there is no doubt that they are successive improvements".
My point is that this is not necessarily immediately visable in software performance. Benchmarks sometimes need to be tweaked to show off the improvement. And they are, which proves that the benchmark itself is designed to show off a particular CPU. For example, P4B and P4C performance is identical on SysMark2002, IIRC (or it was PCMark, or it was 2001?) but then on 2003, P4C performs better. Code selection has changed to incorporate more code that benefits from a faster FSB.
Sure benchies are selling P4s. You're applying a too wide thinking here, "Joe", brand name recognition and all that. You forget where at least some of the brandname recognition trickles down from.
A very wide variety of male computer users, from gangsta rappers to businessmen take some pride in their hardware gear, whether it's cars, sound or PC's. Their info source is glossy PC rags or 'gear' magazines. It might surprise you, but according to the most "serious" (business pretensions, actually most shallow) Intel P4 is still faster than AMD64.
Then there's a second wider circle that listens in on this "savvy" group.
Sure, Intel have their widescale marketing and AMD have their 'grapevine' circular pattern, spreading from hardcore gamers. But Intel have their grapevine pattern too, and it's much larger and wider. It's an important part of Intel marketing. And it is based on benchies. Not a lot of benchies, mind you, just a few select. Emphasis is not so much Intel vs. X, really. It's more latest from Intel, like P4EE.
i dont give a shite...build whatever!!!
You just sem to be the mouthpiece for all Intel conversations in here...sort of the spin doctor!!!!
The FX55 is a far cy above the A64 2800+-3200+ clawhammer that came out in both raw performance and in ocing ability...early on most could not even get 150-200mhz oc's out of them to hold...Now all A64's winnies had dual memory controllers....
Remember both companies when in the lead tend to slow down to only match what the other is doing. NO point in amd continuing to ramp up when they can maximize profit and stll win with a much older chip then Intels offerings.....Until Intel can start taking some of the crown back nothing will really be introduced....
Thank you Duive
How do "they" look down at Intel users when on average AMD costs less ? and on average get better performance ?
yeilds sound great at the moment, 2.6 Ghz is what most ppl are getting and thats great stuff, since there stock speeds are only 1.8Ghz (3000+) .
Apple users ?
LTC8K6
Lifer
Duvie, I'd hate to see how much you'd say if you did give a sh*t! 😀
I was going to build whatever I wanted to anyway, but thanks for your support.
I like Intel and AMD, and have recommended both P4's and A64's to folks here according to what they wanted to do.
I will continue to do so.......
I was going to build whatever I wanted to anyway, but thanks for your support.
I like Intel and AMD, and have recommended both P4's and A64's to folks here according to what they wanted to do.
I will continue to do so.......
Zebo
Elite Member
Lets pretend...
I like see some intel fans to switch performance places. Act like the A64 is from Intel and P4 is from AMD.. You guys would be ripping AMD's P4 a new one... talking bout how slow, ineffceint, hot, Mhz gimmick, two years late with 64 Bit + C&Q + nX bit the POS is..only good at one set of benchmarks etc.. I can hear it now..🙂
I like see some intel fans to switch performance places. Act like the A64 is from Intel and P4 is from AMD.. You guys would be ripping AMD's P4 a new one... talking bout how slow, ineffceint, hot, Mhz gimmick, two years late with 64 Bit + C&Q + nX bit the POS is..only good at one set of benchmarks etc.. I can hear it now..🙂
C&Q? fan-thermal throttling is built into the 9xx series motherboards.
2 years late with 64 bit? THERE IS STILL NO OS! I said when the 64s came out that intel would have a solution by the time there was an OS.
AMD is hitting the EXACT SAME clock wall intel is. Notice the insane heat and power requirements on the highest CPUs compared to their next step down.
Zebo
Elite Member
http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228&mode=thread
AMD rates high. Intel rates low. Just look at any power graph done in the last week 3.7EE vs 55. They should be within 10W of one another they way they are "rated" but it's more like 50W diff.
imported_Hi
Platinum Member
crap to the infinite power of suckage
Oh why on earht intel would copy features from his "inferior" competition? That is what I mean, Isn't intel the superpowerfull company with no need of copying features from AMD?? They didn't copy MMXE, or 3Dnow or 3Dnow+, they copied the "the useless features" from AMD (words of intel, not exactly but that was what intel meant).
A besides why pay more when you have the same features with more performance and less heat?
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