P4 2.80E and P4C800 not booting

[FunkyFogie]

I bought a P4C800 to try Pentium after years of AMD worship (?) then bought a P4 2.80E.
Crucial PC3200 mem 256 x2 in dual mem mode. Asus Fx5700 (V9570 TD)
Used Heatsing Intel supplied in box. Maxtor Sata 80mb x 2 Drives
On first boot there is nothing on monitor at all, the bios does not display.
Vioce on boot proclaims "System failed due to CPU oveclocking"
I have not overclocked (yet) and all is standard.
Anyone help please

 

[myocardia]

Either your motherboard is bad or you are trying to power your system with an underpowered psu. See if you can borrow a bigger psu (power supply). If it still does it, you need to send back the mobo.

 

[Acanthus]

You may need to flash the bios to support the prescott CPU. It was not natively supported on the release of the motherboard.

On top of that you could be using a power supply too weak for the system.

 

[FunkyFogie]

Thank you for the responce (both posts ))
I am using a Thermaltake PSU Silent Purepower 480 watt.
The case is the Xaser III and is recommended for the P4.
It must be the Mboard is at fault then.

Is there any way I can be certain of this as to return it not faulty has another financial increase.
The MB info states it is Prescott ready (Revision 1.03) and how do I flash the bios if there is no input the the system. Within 15 seconds the post message tells me the system failed due to CPU overclocking and stops.

Sorry to seem dumb but in many years of building I have never had this happen.

Thanks again

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: FunkyFogie
Thank you for the responce (both posts ))
I am using a Thermaltake PSU Silent Purepower 480 watt.
The case is the Xaser III and is recommended for the P4.
It must be the Mboard is at fault then.

Is there any way I can be certain of this as to return it not faulty has another financial increase.
The MB info states it is Prescott ready (Revision 1.03) and how do I flash the bios if there is no input the the system. Within 15 seconds the post message tells me the system failed due to CPU overclocking and stops.

Sorry to seem dumb but in many years of building I have never had this happen.

Thanks again

If it says its prescott ready it should have a bios that fully supports prescott out of the box.

RMA it.

 

[FunkyFogie]

I contacted ASUS Tech support but have had no response accept to say they had my email.
I think I will take your advice and contact the retail outlet.
Problem (there always s one) I am terminaly ill and bought the board August 2003 planning the build.
Was taken very ill and shelved project until after Christmas when I bought the P4 in March 2004. This was from the Retail outlet (Dabs Direct UK). I was ill again and attempted to build system a week ago.
That is when it all went silly and faid to boot.
The board was expensive so I hope they will accept my reasons and assist.

Let you know how it turns out and thanks for the help.

 

[jhurst]

Go with ABIT next time! JK, the Asus' are good boards, just RMA and try again.

 

[FunkyFogie]

I have used Asus for 10 years and been happy with reliability and functions, a bit pricey but good stuff.
This is the first P4 board I have used and usually go for AMD Athlon.
I have contacted Dabs Direct for a RMA and await thier decision, for a board costing £151 I would expect better.
Watch this space :0)

 

[Big Lar]

Have you tried removing the HS/Fan, and Reseating the CPU yet? Sometimes thats all it takes, I had the same thing happen with that board, and that took care of it. Of course, no power to the board as usual when messing inside the box

 

[FunkyFogie]

I have not tried that so far but it sounds feasable.
I will try it later and let you know, I hope it works as it would solve a load of agro.
Cheers )

 

[ericgl]

I have had problems with 2 i875P boards (one Abit, one DFI) running the Prescott even with the updated bios. This may well be a known issue (others on the Abit forum reported the same problem). If so, either the retailer or Asus should make it right. If necessary contact Asus and see if they will cross ship a replacement board.

 

[FunkyFogie]

I have contacted Asus user support and await a reply. They emailed that a reply shoud be with me within 48 hours, lets see what they offer ?
I explained the whole fiasco and detailed the P4 2.80E as on the Retail box in case of confusion.
They state in the manual that the board supports the CPU but I read that later boards (P4P800s-SE) has a large endorsement for the Prescott. This what Asus boast as supporting the Prescott CPU

Chipset Model Name
Intel 875P P4C800-E Deluxe P4C800 Deluxe P4C800
Intel 865PE P4P800 Deluxe P4P800
Intel 848P P4P800S-E Deluxe P4P800S P4P800S SE
Intel 865P P4P8X P4P8X SE
Intel 865G P4P800-VM
SiS 655TX P4S800D-E Deluxe (Coming Soon!)
SiS 655FX P4S800D
SiS 648FX P4S800
SiS 661FX P4S800-MX
VIA PT800 P4V800-X
ATI Radeon 9100 IGP P4R800-VM P4R800-V (Coming Soon!)


?The Intel® Prescott-based Pentium® 4 processors will feature an 800MHz front side bus
and a 1MB L2 cache. See http://www.intel.com for more information.

 

[Big Lar]

There is where the communication problem begins. If you are quoting off the Asus website, then yes, those boards do support the Prescott, what is missing in that, is that those boards will run the Prescott, but only with certain bios. The P4c needs bios 1015, if I am not mistaken. You can see what bios your board has, as it is stamped on the bios chip, which is located at the front lower of your board.

 

[FunkyFogie]

I understand what you are saying and agree. Perhaps I should not have bought a Prescott but I try to get as future proof as I can when I can afford to.
I checked the Flash Rom and this is what is written there.

Line by line is states:

P4C87
1008
B032
GM P15

the problem is, I cant usee the rom update as the system will not allow me to enter the Bios or Dos
There is no graphical output (the monitor has a No Signal panel floating on the screen)
The post report voice statd the system has failed due to CPU overclocking and shuts down
The only way is perhaps to get another Flash rom from Asus (or whoever??????) I have never needed one before so do not know where to get one.

I will check the Bios updates on the Asus downloads later to see what the 1015 version includes.
Perhaps I will need earlier versions first or is that 1015 the complete updates in one.

Thanks for the posting

 

[Big Lar]

You can flash directly to 1015, I am not completely certain, but I think 1014 May support it as well, you'll have to check on that.
Best way to get the deed done, would be to borrow a cpu,(northwood), and boot from that, and flash to a supporting bios of Prescott. If that can't be done, then perhaps if the board were taken to a shop, and they could flash it for you, as I am pretty sure, that asus is fairly slow on sending things.
Always a pleasure to help when and if I can

 

[FunkyFogie]

It could be a bit of a problem flashing the rom or borrowing a Northwood CPU but I will certainly try )
Bios version 1014 looks as if it will support but 1015 may be better
I find it difficult getting around because of my disability so woud you advise going the flash rom way or pushing the retailer to RMA the board and supply a later revision (could have problems convincing them of a fault if it is just a matter of a non supported bios)
I am not sure what woud be the best for the future.
Could it possibly be another fault that a bios upgrade would not cure?
I am sure the PSU is man enough and I have checked all jumpers and cables until I see them in my sleep )


This is what the CPU support on Asus site claims



The following table shows the support for CPU / Motherboard and P4 2.80E

Motherboard Since PCB Since BIOS Memo
P4C800 ALL 1014
P4C800 Deluxe ALL 1014
P4C800-E Deluxe ALL 1014
P4G800-V ALL 1006
P4P800 ALL 1014
P4P800 Deluxe ALL 1014
P4P800 SE ALL ALL
P4P800-E Deluxe ALL ALL
P4P800S ALL 1004
P4P800S SE ALL 1004
P4P800S-E Deluxe ALL 1004
P4P800-VM ALL 1008
P4P8X ALL 1014 If you would like to overclock FSB to 800MHz on P4P8X, please use the DDR400 memory in our QVL.
P4P8X SE ALL 1002 If you would like to overclock FSB to 800MHz on P4P8X, please use the DDR400 memory in our QVL.
P4R800-V Deluxe ALL 1004
P4R800-VM ALL 1002
P4S800 ALL 1006
P4S800D ALL 1005
P4S800D-E Deluxe ALL 1002
P4S800-MX 1.02 1005
P4V800-X 2.00 1004
PSCH-L 1.04 009
PSCHSR-I 1.04 1002

 

[Big Lar]

Well, in your instance, I think the retailer way won't help much, as they don't flash the bios, so more than likely a no go there. You could ask for a new bios chip for your board from asus, tho I believe they charge for a new 1.
It is of course "possible" that it is not the board, However, as your bios version does not support Prescott, I would have to Heavily lean to that being the cause.
Perhaps returning the Cpu for a Northwood, might just be a better workaround for you.

 

[FunkyFogie]

Well! Food for thought

You have given me lots to think about and I will take a couple of days until I decide, not a lot can be done until the start of the week.
I go along with your thinking and will try to resolve the Bios problem first.
Returning the CPU is a non starter as the retalier only refunds on fault (or replaces items)
I will have a search around mates to see if they have a Northwood to borrow.

One thing before you go, Thermal material for HS to CPU. There was nothing in the retail box so I used Artic Silver (Just a small amount) as I had no Thermal pads and the local PC emporium did not know what I was talking about
AMD states that one should NEVER use Thermal paste and only use pads (they give a list of recommended ones) What is the ruling on P4 Prescott CPU.
I have taken the HS/Fan off to reseat the CPU and cleaned the surface of paste.
Should I get the thermal pads to refit the HS/Fan.
I have a Thermaltake P4 HS/Fan that is recommended for OC. Would you advise using it instead of stock item or should stick with supplied unit.

Once again, thank you and all other posters for the help and kindness shown to a new member.

 

[Big Lar]

For the Intel Cpu's, use the Paste, just make sure that you don't get it on anything other than the top of the cpu, as some, including some Artic Silver do conduct electricity. I personally would go with the Thermaltake HS/Fan, as it is probably better than the stock HS/Fan.
With the Artic Silver, the key is to spread it in a Very thin layer, too much is a bad thing.

 

[FunkyFogie]

Wish me luck please and hope I get my system up and working soon, time is not on my side
I have downloaded Bios Version 1016 and the new bios update tool

1. Do not use old version Afudos.exe to flash BIOS.Must use new Afudos
(2.07) to flash BIOS.
2. Using ASUSLiveUpdate to flash BIOS,you need to upgrade ASUSLiveupdate to v 5.22.02 or later before flash BIOS.
3. Fix Prescott Locked CPU cant run to highest frequency.
4. Updata Intel RAID BIOS v3.54.
5. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
6. Fix the issue that Logitech QuickCam under Win98

I have other paths to explore but am going with your Bios update and Northwood loan to get things off the ground.
Hope to talk again mate

 

[Big Lar]

Before you go and flash to 1016, try 1014 first, I remember something to the effect of 1016 putting a cap on how much you can raise the voltage on the board, if in fact any. Good luck, and post here what happened

 

[FunkyFogie]

Big Lar, if you are there mate (or anyone else interested.
A small update

Still no responce from dealer I bought P4C800 from, no refusal or anything.
They could have at least replied to my request of help.
ASUS on the other hand HAVE replied. They emailed me and stated they think I have a faulty motherboard and recommended getting in touch with Dabs Direct and tell them I have contacted ASUS and have been advised to ask for a replacement motherboard.

I did this and included the text of the email from ASUS but they (Dabs) have still not responded.

Ball in thier court now

 

[Big Lar]

Great.... I hope it goes well for you