P4 2.4 or Athlon XP2400?

[WHipLAsh13]

P4 without question. There is alot of success overclocking the 2.4 to atleast 2.8. Even not overclocked its just as fast, if not faster than the 2400+. I know there will be people who disagree with me but Intel > AMD in stability and temperature. Pretty much a no brainer from where I am sitting. Plus its slightly cheaper in price.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
P4 without question. There is alot of success overclocking the 2.4 to atleast 2.8. Even not overclocked its just as fast, if not faster than the 2400+. I know there will be people who disagree with me but Intel > AMD in stability and temperature. Pretty much a no brainer from where I am sitting. Plus its slightly cheaper in price.

that's way off.

 

[morfeu]

XP2400 with Nforce 2...

it should be enough for me

 

Originally posted by: Spicedaddy
P4

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Yield how is that "way off"?

 

[SuperSix]

P4...

I'm over the fan noise...

If you do go nForce, I would wait a bit...

 

[JBT]

AMD and NForce no question about it.

 

[Macro2]

2400+ nforce2 dual DDR is equal to a P4 2800 on single DDR. Even on games. On regular benchmarks, where they aren't running some Intel optomised app in the background, it will spank it pretty good.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
P4 without question. There is alot of success overclocking the 2.4 to atleast 2.8. Even not overclocked its just as fast, if not faster than the 2400+. I know there will be people who disagree with me but Intel > AMD in stability and temperature. Pretty much a no brainer from where I am sitting. Plus its slightly cheaper in price.

that's way off.

No it's not.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: Macro2
2400+ nforce2 dual DDR is equal to a P4 2800 on single DDR. Even on games. On regular benchmarks, where they aren't running some Intel optomised app in the background, it will spank it pretty good.

benches?

 

[CrazySaint]

Fanboys, gotta love 'em.

 

[SexyK]

First of all, I have no idea why anyone would say that the AMD soultion hasa longer upgrade path. That's just rediculous. That 845PE board will probably go well beyond 4.0GHz with the option of Hyperthreading on newer chips. The future of Barton is questionable at best, since most performance users will, in theory, going over to hammer as opposed to barton. You're almost gaurenteed being able to throw a 1MB L2 cache Prescott into the Intel board in the future.

MTAX also said he'll be doing a fair amount of video/graphics editing, which is well suited to an Intel platform, espicially if you're using SSE ehanced apps.

And no matter what anyone claims, the average P4 is a better overclocker than the average XP right now, hands down. The OC is easier, and possible with the retail heatsink.

I don't care what you buy, it's your choice, but i recommend some research into what specific apps you'll be using and how they perform on each platform before jumping on one bandwagon. I personally think the Intel platform has a lot of advantages over the AMD platform right now, but that doesn't matter, it's your choice, whatever you think serves your purposes better is right for you.

-kramer

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: SexyK
First of all, I have no idea why anyone would say that the AMD soultion hasa longer upgrade path. That's just rediculous. That 845PE board will probably go well beyond 4.0GHz with the option of Hyperthreading on newer chips.

If you have anything to back that up with, I'd be very interested in seeing it. Everything I've heard about it is that Prescott for sure will need new motherboards, and that anything over 3GHz would be iffy on some of the current boards (I've actually got conflicting info on that part).

The future of Barton is questionable at best, since most performance users will, in theory, going over to hammer as opposed to barton. You're almost gaurenteed being able to throw a 1MB L2 cache Prescott into the Intel board in the future.

-kramer

Again, everything I've heard is that AMD will be continuing the Athlon line, with the Barton, at least until the end of 2003, and this is from AMD themselves.

As for P4s being better overclockers on average than XPs, I'll have to agree there.

 

[elwood03]

I was under the impression that the the next gen P4s are going to need the Springdale chipset (I think that's the one) and it sounds like Bartons will run on the nForce 2. I say the athlon gives you an upgrade path and the P4 doesn't.

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: elwood03
I was under the impression that the the next gen P4s are going to need the Springdale chipset (I think that's the one) and it sounds like Bartons will run on the nForce 2. I say the athlon gives you an upgrade path and the P4 doesn't.

Yep, the Prescott P4s will either run at 600MHz or 800MHz FSB and will require a Springdale board to run in spec.

 

[xylem]

To add fuel to the flame, I think perhaps you should run a midrange Via chip. If by some act of engineering genius you manage to overclock it to 15ghz, it should own both of those other systems in most applications, AND you'll have some money left over for coffee and doughnuts.

Seriously, you could build either system and I think you'll be pretty happy with performance. I'd suggest Intel in this case if you plan to overclock and can easily enough get a C1, or AMD if you don't or can't and would rather, monetarily, vote for the underdog.

 

[Davegod]

I'd generally think 2400+ with nForce2 but since your video editing, marginal preference for the P4 - though either would probs be totally fine and good.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: MTAX
I'm grading my Athlon 1.2ghz. My budget alows for either a P4 2.4/Asus 845PE or an Athlon 2400 and Asus nForce2. Most important to me is compatibility and stability, next is speed, then upgradability in terms of CPU path. Which would you choose?

I think either solution would meet your needs nicely.

NewEgg.com has the P4 for about $10 cheaper than the XP2400+...

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Spicedaddy

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13
P4 without question. There is alot of success overclocking the 2.4 to atleast 2.8. Even not overclocked its just as fast, if not faster than the 2400+. I know there will be people who disagree with me but Intel > AMD in stability and temperature. Pretty much a no brainer from where I am sitting. Plus its slightly cheaper in price.

that's way off.

No it's not.

yes it is.. stability and temperature? AMD CPU's do not run as hot as they used to. and what's this horse sh!t about stability? they're not unstable, so how can intel have the edge for stability? plus, the 2400+ can also clock to 2800+ levels... the 2400+ at stock speeds is easily faster than the p4 2.4. that i know for sure. as i now have experience with p4 systems, they are definitely over-rated.

 

[jasonsRX7]

Originally posted by: Yield
the 2400+ at stock speeds is easily faster than the p4 2.4

It's really not. Faster in some things, yes. By a large enough margin to make it "easily" faster? No, it's not. Nor is the Intel "easily" faster in the benchmarks it wins.

The point is that the two perform closely enough to not let just the benchmark numbers make your decision for you. The thing I liked most about my nforce board was nvidias unified driver which made it incredibly fast and easy to setup and update the system. The thing I liked least about it was having to have such a loud fan to cool the processor (XP2100). Since I've gotten the P4, I've removed all but one of my case fans and it still runs 14c cooler than my Athlon did. The system is also extremely quiet now. Maybe the new Athlons run cooler, but I doubt they're *that* much cooler.

I can tell you Premier now renders much faster. I went back and rendered some projects that used to run around 18 to 23 FPS. The P4 renders the same projects at 28 to 38 FPS. Granted I'm comparing an Athlon 2100 to a P4 2.4.

As far as stability, Athlon systems built around the nforce chipset aren't unstable at all, but that's not to say it hasn't had its problems. For a long time, many people were having BkSOD problems which Nvidia fixed in the 2.0 drivers.

So really, back when the Athlons were substantially cheaper than their counterpart P4's, it made a lot of sense to save the money, get an Athlon, and deal with the minor inconvieniences such as cooling and noise. Now that the higher end Athlons are as much if not more than a comparable P4, it makes it a much harder decision. I'm not abandoning AMD in favor of Intel, I simply purchased something that gives me what I want. I certainly will buy AMD again sometime, the next time they release a product that lures me in just like the XP 2100, TB 1400, and Athlon 500 I used to own did. (Hammer anyone?)

 

[LaxMan]

man I just wish I had could get ither one! lol my vote goes to the athlon BTW