There is a huge difference. You're not making any duplication of the product. That's like saying someone can't sit down on your computer and check their e-mail because they don't own that copy of Windows XP.
There is a huge difference. You're not making any duplication of the product. That's like saying someone can't sit down on your computer and check their e-mail because they don't own that copy of Windows XP.
mugs
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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: mugs
Hah! That one is my favorite.You actually make it THEIR fault!
Oh man. Wow.
I don't make it anything. Imagine trying to sell broadcast radio stations - people would just pick them up for free, that's the nature of radio. That's why they advertise on the radio - it's an appropriate business model.
BTW - I buy software. I'm also a developer, and whenever I can, I give my work away for free.
Yes, imagine someone trying to sell broadcast radio stations... imagine...
Imagine
Imagine
If you meant to refer only to AM and FM radio stations, you misunderstand what the word "broadcast" means.
Who are you to dictate what "business model" a company has to use?
The one they use now is perfectly fine. The law makes it illegal to duplicate copyrighted material for a reason. To justify it because it's so easy to do is idiotic. Why do you feel the need to justify it anyway? Just admit you don't want to spend money on something that you can get for free illegally.I try not to get involved in these threads about copyright anymore, but the things you are saying are so blatantly stupid it's hard to hold back. But hey, whatever lets you sleep at night.
iversonyin
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It would be the same type of distributor that has the rights to make DVD copies. WTF is your point?
It would be like properly purchasing digital music from authorized resellers, which is legal.
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: mugs
Hah! That one is my favorite.
Oh man. Wow.
I don't make it anything. Imagine trying to sell broadcast radio stations - people would just pick them up for free, that's the nature of radio. That's why they advertise on the radio - it's an appropriate business model.
BTW - I buy software. I'm also a developer, and whenever I can, I give my work away for free.
Yes, imagine someone trying to sell broadcast radio stations... imagine...
Imagine
Imagine
If you meant to refer only to AM and FM radio stations, you misunderstand what the word "broadcast" means.
OK, I have never heard of that before, must be an American thing. It doubt it will last.
I don't. The free market will dictate the appropriate model.
I have plenty of money and I buy my software.
There are many more extreme opinions here than mine, why pick mine as 'stupid'? My point is that it is unworkable in the long term to sell something that is infintely re-creatable. Agree or don't agree, but don't be so insulting.
You did read where I said I buy my software right?
iversonyin
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My effing point is, genius. Its to support virtualgames0 argurment that there is little difference between lending a friend a DVD or sharing file that you bought.
As long as the media is obtain through a legal way.
People who download movies/mp3s illegally are unlikely to buy them the first place.
iversonyin
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: mugs
Hah! That one is my favorite.
Oh man. Wow.
I don't make it anything. Imagine trying to sell broadcast radio stations - people would just pick them up for free, that's the nature of radio. That's why they advertise on the radio - it's an appropriate business model.
BTW - I buy software. I'm also a developer, and whenever I can, I give my work away for free.
Yes, imagine someone trying to sell broadcast radio stations... imagine...
Imagine
Imagine
If you meant to refer only to AM and FM radio stations, you misunderstand what the word "broadcast" means.
Who are you to dictate what "business model" a company has to use?
I try not to get involved in these threads about copyright anymore, but the things you are saying are so blatantly stupid it's hard to hold back. But hey, whatever lets you sleep at night.
Everything comes down to money. I'm not saying sharing illegal files is right. But the guy has a point.
Record companies and movie makers are paying actors/actresses, singers, rappers too much money to begin with. The production cost is wayyyy high because of the high salary. So if your movie/ CD doesn't sell enough to cover the cost, who is there to blame?
You think people who download MP3s and movie would buy DVD if they cant download?
When you share a digital file, you are duplicating the content of that file, and not sharing it, but giving it away. It is not returned. It's the same as burning a copy of the DVD media and giving it to a friend, which is illegal.
Like the example I gave above, if lending the actual DVD to a friend is illegal, it should be illegal for a friend to sit at your computer and use your copy of Windows to check his e-mail because he didn't purchase that license for it. It follows the same principles, and look how ridiculous that sounds.
Based off of your argument, Best Buy and Circuit City should have major lawsuits laid down against them because they pop in a copyrighted DVD movie into the player and play it for customers to display the TV. The customers don't own that DVD! They should cover their eyes or risk imprisonment! :roll:
shortylickens
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Ethical AND Moral.
Murdering ragheads to give them peace and forcing freedom down their throats is immoral and unethical.
Interestingly enough, the folks who support such activities are also trying to kill the internet and squash free thought of all kind.
Hmmmmmmmmmm..............
(In case people are thinking "WTF?" I just wanted to get some free speech and thinking started here on ATOT. I know what a challenge that can be. )
Murdering ragheads to give them peace and forcing freedom down their throats is immoral and unethical.
Interestingly enough, the folks who support such activities are also trying to kill the internet and squash free thought of all kind.
Hmmmmmmmmmm..............
(In case people are thinking "WTF?" I just wanted to get some free speech and thinking started here on ATOT. I know what a challenge that can be.
)Not gonna get involved in the main agrument, I just thought of a silly thing...
What if you use SMB(Windows file sharing, whatever) and map up your friend's movie directory with read/write rights, then cut instead of copy the movie?
Would that classify as borrowing it instead of copying it?
No, there is no point to my question at all, at least not related to the morality of copying movies/music, it's just a random useless thought
Originally posted by: Sunner
Not gonna get involved in the main agrument, I just thought of a silly thing...
What if you use SMB(Windows file sharing, whatever) and map up your friend's movie directory with read/write rights, then cut instead of copy the movie?
Would that classify as borrowing it instead of copying it?
No, there is no point to my question at all, at least not related to the morality of copying movies/music, it's just a random useless thought
As long as you CUT instead of COPY, you're ok.
Copying is the devil's work.Originally posted by: Amplifier
It's stealing plain and simple. But the government steals a good chunk of my capital gains and wastes it on lazy people so fvck morality
It's illegal and unethical to download copyrighted material that is not otherwise freely available (or has the blessing of the producer), but it's not technically "stealing".
Artist: The producer takes all of the money from sales
Artist 2: File sharing made my band popular, I'm glad that people listen to my music
Software Programmer: The publisher takes all of the money from sales
Producer: I couldn't buy my kid a convertible for her birthday because of file sharing, she got a different car instead
There, I've put myself in their place.
If file sharing really fvcked over music/movies/software, then why are they still generating massive profits (with the exception of music, which is suffering a drop in profits in some areas because they keep hiking CD prices for no reason and don't have a good business model anymore).
File sharing takes much less than people are willing to admit. There are three lines of reversal here that every RIAA lawyer refuses to bring to court
1) Try before you buy
2) Enjoyment of something you wouldn't buy anyway
3) Enjoyment of something you thought you didn't want, but now you are going to go out and buy it
UglyCasanova
Lifer
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Lol, anything to justify it.
I download copyrighted material, but I make no excuses about it. I am stealing intellectual property, but it's like crack. A habit that is hard to stop. But no, I don't come up with crazy justifications like the above, nor do I pass it off as "sticking it to the man". Stealing is stealing, and I'm a theif.
Originally posted by: mugs
Hah! That one is my favorite.
Oh man. Wow.
In many ways, the RIAA is struggling against change. If they accepted that the internet is now a much more desirable mode of distribution, they could profit heavily. Despite major strides in this area, most distributors are clinging to the old ways and are being hurt because of it.
To be good in business, you must be able to change with the times. Physical media has been around forever, and the ones in charge have not adapted well to virtual distribution methods. There is a long way to go before these people will completely accept it.
Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I download copyrighted material, but I make no excuses about it. I am stealing intellectual property, but it's like crack. A habit that is hard to stop. But no, I don't come up with crazy justifications like the above, nor do I pass it off as "sticking it to the man". Stealing is stealing, and I'm a theif.
Once again, in the interest of proper semantics, copying is not stealing. It's illegal, but it's not the same thing as physically TAKING something from someone, therefore depriving them of said item.
If you could give me one instance of when this has happened, that would be lovely. $50 says you can't. I guess random, thoughtless conjecture is enough for you to make a reply though :disgust:
If you're really doing a study on this, shouldn't you have a poll or something?
There's nothing wrong with file sharing. In fact, it goes on all the time in 100% legal ways, and therefore there is nothing wrong with it.
WELCOME TO THE END OF THE COMPUTER AGE!
There's nothing wrong with file sharing. In fact, it goes on all the time in 100% legal ways, and therefore there is nothing wrong with it.
WELCOME TO THE END OF THE COMPUTER AGE!
UglyCasanova
Lifer
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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I download copyrighted material, but I make no excuses about it. I am stealing intellectual property, but it's like crack. A habit that is hard to stop. But no, I don't come up with crazy justifications like the above, nor do I pass it off as "sticking it to the man". Stealing is stealing, and I'm a theif.
Once again, in the interest of proper semantics, copying is not stealing. It's illegal, but it's not the same thing as physically TAKING something from someone, therefore depriving them of said item.
You (I) are depriving them of their income from their product, which they are most certainly entitled to. That lost revenue is most certainly physically depriving them of something. Thus, stealing.
And I don't care if you wouldn't have bought the thing anyways, that doesn't justify it.
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