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Shes been working out? Muscular buttocks?
 
^ sociological clap trap is FAR from science like climate change.

I know, again, I support this theory and study it.

But it has NO place in a high school class room.

Any more than ignorant high school teachers should be telling students about my latest, popular, brain fart.
 
DixyCrat said:
^ sociological clap trap is FAR from science like climate change.

I know, again, I support this theory and study it.

But it has NO place in a high school class room.

Any more than ignorant high school teachers should be telling students about my latest, popular, brain fart.
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It didn't say it was being taught in science class. When I was in school its most likely place would have been 'personal social education' (IIRC that's what it was called), because IIRC there wouldn't have been any other suitable place for it. Teaching kids that human expression and personality are more complex than they thought is a Good Thing IMO. Who says they would be hearing anything about the latest theories anyway?

I find it a little scary for the state to ban something in classrooms unless it's downright unhealthy to be teaching it. Considering that 'Religious Education' (basically Christianity Education, it got to the point where parents got pissed off about it as they were told that other religions were going to be in the curriculum) was mandatory in school when I was a teen. What's the metric for 'unhealthy' in this context?

Ignorant teachers are a different matter entirely - surely if they're ignorant on a topic they shouldn't be teaching it, end of story.
 
mikeymikec said:
It didn't say it was being taught in science class. When I was in school its most likely place would have been 'personal social education' (IIRC that's what it was called), because IIRC there wouldn't have been any other suitable place for it. Teaching kids that human expression and personality are more complex than they thought is a Good Thing IMO. Who says they would be hearing anything about the latest theories anyway?

I find it a little scary for the state to ban something in classrooms unless it's downright unhealthy to be teaching it. Considering that 'Religious Education' (basically Christianity Education, it got to the point where parents got pissed off about it as they were told that other religions were going to be in the curriculum) was mandatory in school when I was a teen. What's the metric for 'unhealthy' in this context?

Ignorant teachers are a different matter entirely - surely if they're ignorant on a topic they shouldn't be teaching it, end of story.
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It's an ideology, not science. My bar for children's education is falsifiable science.

Ideological perspectives do not need to be falsifiable; but they also have no place being given the authority of a child's class room.

Science can be falsified; it is what we should teach children.


Adults are welcome in my left-wing sociology course where we'll all cream ourselves over Judith Butler. They are also welcome to major in Christian Apologetics. They are welcome to agree with a Marxist professor, or a Libertarian professor.

But those are adults, learning from adults, with research and education specific to the issue.

We get shit like gender fluidity in high school and the output is half-witted tumbler feminists who unwittingly support clearly oppressive policies, because they vaguely remember some sociological clap trap as mis-explained by a clearly confused high school teacher.


Using condoms to mitigate the spread of AIDS - science. Praying to Jesus to make you less horny - Ideology. The prevalence of trans gendered persons committing rape in women's bathrooms equaling zero - science. The spiritual appeal needed to claim that there is or is not a "Authentic" self at the bottom of sociological superstructures that surround gender - Ideology.

The problem is that the people implementing this can't even tell the difference any more between truth and "how I see things." My fellow post-modernists have lost sight of the project of enlightenment.

Sad, as I used to rely on us to remind people of the need to be intellectually critical of political influence on knowledge.

Today it seems we just prefer to do the very thing we accuse the other side of doing.
 
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