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Jhhnn

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I laugh at the idea that anyone thought defunding the po-po WOULDN'T lead to an increase in crime.

Minneapolis police officers aren't being forced out or leaving for lack of funding. Dunno their reasons, but that's not it.
 

MtnMan

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Minneapolis police officers aren't being forced out or leaving for lack of funding. Dunno their reasons, but that's not it.
Cops are quitting all across the country, going into other lines of work. Local PD has gone from 238 to 160 last month in just over a year. Recently 3 more left and force them to close the lobby at the PD.
 

ivwshane

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Cops are quitting all across the country, going into other lines of work. Local PD has gone from 238 to 160 last month in just over a year. Recently 3 more left and force them to close the lobby at the PD.

I wonder if that means good cops are leaving or the bad cops are leaving.
 

MtnMan

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Sounds like a good opportunity to scale back police budgets.
It's to the point that they don't have enough cops on the street to answer calls. Detectives are back in uniform and on patrol to help, but then they can't solve crimes, only react. Traffic accident, wait hours.
 

MtnMan

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I wonder if that means good cops are leaving or the bad cops are leaving.
I fear it leans toward the better cops, and the more experienced cops. Out of all that are no longer on the force, 3 of them were fired, some retired, but most quit, leaving the profession.
 

Commodus

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Uhhh... that response works double - she went through public education. Didn't work out so well for her.

Wouldn't that just demand better funding for public education? The perpetual complaint is that public schools are starved of funding (often by conservatives) needed to produce more intelligent graduates.
 

brycejones

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Wouldn't that just demand better funding for public education? The perpetual complaint is that public schools are starved of funding (often by conservatives) needed to produce more intelligent graduates.
Something about teacher unions being evil and stealing all the money……..
 
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Wouldn't that just demand better funding for public education? The perpetual complaint is that public schools are starved of funding (often by conservatives) needed to produce more intelligent graduates.

Nope. Some of the worst performing schools are in the most prosperous and tax heavy cities.

Downtown Houston is expensive as fuck to live in with just the housing cost alone since it's in the central city. Add on top of that some of the highest property tax percentages in the nation that go towards education. What do you get? HISD, one of the most piss-poor school districts that no self-respecting parent would want to send their children. They have tons of money. The same goes for Chicago (lol idiots in the teachers union), New York, etc.. etc... Just because rich people can send their kids to private school - doesn't take away from the fact that the rich people are still footing the public education bill with their tax payments. I'm sure you're well aware that public schooling isn't an admission charge - or at least, I've never heard of such.

Our schooling isn't a money problem. It is UNQUESTIONABLY a society and cultural problem where people think it's okay to have stupid kids, blame teachers for their stupid kids, and expect society to pickup the pieces for your stupid kid.
 
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Nope. Some of the worst performing schools are in the most prosperous and tax heavy cities.

Downtown Houston is expensive as fuck to live in with just the housing cost alone since it's in the central city. Add on top of that some of the highest property tax percentages in the nation that go towards education. What do you get? HISD, one of the most piss-poor school districts that no self-respecting parent would want to send their children. They have tons of money. The same goes for Chicago (lol idiots in the teachers union), New York, etc.. etc... Just because rich people can send their kids to private school - doesn't take away from the fact that the rich people are still footing the public education bill with their tax payments. I'm sure you're well aware that public schooling isn't an admission charge - or at least, I've never heard of such.

Our schooling isn't a money problem. It is UNQUESTIONABLY a society and cultural problem where people think it's okay to have stupid kids, blame teachers for their stupid kids, and expect society to pickup the pieces for your stupid kid.

mmmmm not so sure about that claim, when one factors out trade schools which aren’t public ally funded and oddball private outlier schools or it is based upon “least successful student ranking” where Uber wealthy places get dinged because their spawn aren’t equally successful.
The list looks pretty predicatable to me. Data is from either 2018 or 2017.
I did expect Arkansas to have a stronger presence. I wouldn’t call these areas highly prosperous but I do not claim to be a prosperity and school zoning expert either.

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mmmmm not so sure about that claim, when one factors out trade schools which aren’t public ally funded and oddball private outlier schools or it is based upon “least successful student ranking” where Uber wealthy places get dinged because their spawn aren’t equally successful.
The list looks pretty predicatable to me. Data is from either 2018 or 2017.
I did expect Arkansas to have a stronger presence. I wouldn’t call these areas highly prosperous but I do not claim to be a prosperity and school zoning expert either.

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It's a mix of things - especially since you're getting down to a granular level of individual schools. Rural areas where people are (or have been for 30+ years) moving out of it is much more probable to being a funding issue.

Also not sure what the rankings you posted are?
 
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It's a mix of things - especially since you're getting down to a granular level of individual schools. Rural areas where people are (or have been for 30+ years) moving out of it is much more probable to being a funding issue.

Also not sure what the rankings you posted are?

worst schools in America, low graduation rate high dropout rate were mentioned. I am not sure of other criteria for stack ranking.
Really what I am saying is I am not a fan of “least successful” because that metric is how much parents have vs how much they have post graduation. Simply not fair to expect a kid to always exceed their parents in wealth, especially when it is a high earning location. To call Bill Gates kids failures because they haven’t individually exceeded their fathers earnings is pretty warped.

oh fuck this is P&Ns middle name.
Sorry guys. No more text until I forget.
 
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zinfamous

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Uhhh... that response works double - she went through public education. Didn't work out so well for her.

did she, and did she finish? We have many phenomenal public education counties across this country. Absolutely world class. We also have many that are piss shit and produce goblins like MTG--which, I am assuming, is where she came from.

I know, it's confusing. You need things to be simple that you can paint with your single, broad, idiot brush.

She was probably in your class, wasn't she?
 

zinfamous

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Our schooling isn't a money problem. It is UNQUESTIONABLY a society and cultural problem where people think it's okay to have stupid kids, blame teachers for their stupid kids, and expect society to pickup the pieces for your stupid kid.

And here we are, stuck with you. Think we can demand reparations from your family, for having to deal with their fucking failure?
 
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And here we are, stuck with you. Think we can demand reparations from your family, for having to deal with their fucking failure?
I love you too bby.

Sadly if anything I'm failing because I'm paying excessive federal and local taxes given my fat income. Anyhow, call me if you're ever in my area bby <3.