P&N age, and political beliefs thread

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"I'm 22 years old and an anarcho-capitalist. The ideology that best describes me is paleo-libertarian sans natural law.."

This makes me giggle.

You make me frown, you filthy clown.

 

[slash196]

I'm 18, and a radical leftist. I was born and raised and currently live in Indiana, though.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm 34 ..used to be hard core right wing in college. Even became treasurer of college republicans. I got married at 25 started to lighten up and learn to see both sides of issues..you have to if you want to stay married anyway.. I still fall in-line with old right, paleoconservatives, on most issues don't even reognize modern neo-cons but am extremely liberal when it comes to personal freedoms and helping those in need. I don't mean helping for free though like current system has done for 50 years but with signifigant strings attached. Like work - scrubbing graphitti whatever.

^ Libertarian

Mostly true but my tax ideas get me in trouble with that crowd. I don't think there should be any income tax or very little because it was earned though sweat and tears. You're a producer, why penalize you for production? Just seems immoral and unjust to me. Inheritance OTOH should be taxed to the max because it was free, given. Or at the very least taxed like earned income. I stand to inherit eight figures and still feel this way.

Why should that money get taxed again?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm 33 and advocate full personal freedoms and self-ownership (legalizaing drugs, legalized prostitution, legalized suicide and assisted suicide--no such thing as "consensual crimes" in my view) but also a capitalist-leaning mixed-economy. I used to believe in laissez-faire and Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy, but now support socialized medicine, public roads, and trade protectionism while still believing in atheism and reason.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Sorry to dispute you, but I think it's hugely individualized. There are plenty of middle-age neocons, and student moderates. Peoples personalities, intelligences, environment, friends & family influencers, education, exposures, experiences, political culture (ie the general happenings when we were born/growing up) and so on decide our political makeup.

I'm 33 and pretty much defy classification. I have extreme left beliefs, extreme right, extreme liberal, extreme conservative, and moderate beliefs. I'm all over the damn page.

 

[1EZduzit]

I'm old enough to know better, but not young enough to do it again.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I'm 33 and advocate full personal freedoms and self-ownership (legalizaing drugs, legalized prostitution, legalized suicide and assisted suicide--no such thing as "consensual crimes" in my view) but also a capitalist-leaning mixed-economy. I used to believe in laissez-faire and Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy, but now support socialized medicine, public roads, and trade protectionism while still believing in atheism and reason.

Randroid alert! Hehe.

 

[talyn00]

22, moderate, i lean slightly more towards the conservative side for economic issues.

 

[raildogg]

Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

Well, I used to be a loyal Republican and fierce conservative, but thanks in part to the actions of the current crop of righties, I decided I'd fit in better with the lefties. Perhaps it's more about us as individuals than the actions of parties or factions. I've seen your posts, you may have some liberal views, but your general attitude fits in a lot better on the right. And while some of my views might be considered conservative, my attitude has always been far more liberal than conservative. I just didn't realize it until I saw how different my "fellow" righties were. Perhaps you are seeing some of that, just because they aren't like you doesn't make them bad.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: raildogg
Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

Well, I used to be a loyal Republican and fierce conservative, but thanks in part to the actions of the current crop of righties, I decided I'd fit in better with the lefties. Perhaps it's more about us as individuals than the actions of parties or factions. I've seen your posts, you may have some liberal views, but your general attitude fits in a lot better on the right. And while some of my views might be considered conservative, my attitude has always been far more liberal than conservative. I just didn't realize it until I saw how different my "fellow" righties were. Perhaps you are seeing some of that, just because they aren't like you doesn't make them bad.

I used to be a Democrat but I have always been somewhat moderate on issues like sexuality and similar issues. I am understanding but don't care for it much. 9/11 really changed my views on foreign policy and it was one of the reasons I stopped supporting the Democratic party. Maybe my views fit the right better because of my foreign policy views. I am not pro-war but I am pro-war on terror. I guess many of the right wingers here are also the same way. You're right, my fellow left wingers here do seem different. But maybe they just seem more radical than they actually are.

The left wingers I know are not radicals actually, at least not most of them. They are good people who actually do care for America unlike some here would like you to believe. They care for family, religion and values which I care about. I may not be the liberal that I used to be, but I don't think I'm quite conservative - yet. Maybe the radical left will push me that far.

 

[kongs]

18 middle (slightly left).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: raildogg
Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

Well, I used to be a loyal Republican and fierce conservative, but thanks in part to the actions of the current crop of righties, I decided I'd fit in better with the lefties. Perhaps it's more about us as individuals than the actions of parties or factions. I've seen your posts, you may have some liberal views, but your general attitude fits in a lot better on the right. And while some of my views might be considered conservative, my attitude has always been far more liberal than conservative. I just didn't realize it until I saw how different my "fellow" righties were. Perhaps you are seeing some of that, just because they aren't like you doesn't make them bad.

I used to be a Democrat but I have always been somewhat moderate on issues like sexuality and similar issues. I am understanding but don't care for it much. 9/11 really changed my views on foreign policy and it was one of the reasons I stopped supporting the Democratic party. Maybe my views fit the right better because of my foreign policy views. I am not pro-war but I am pro-war on terror. I guess many of the right wingers here are also the same way. You're right, my fellow left wingers here do seem different. But maybe they just seem more radical than they actually are.

The left wingers I know are not radicals actually, at least not most of them. They are good people who actually do care for America unlike some here would like you to believe. They care for family, religion and values which I care about. I may not be the liberal that I used to be, but I don't think I'm quite conservative - yet. Maybe the radical left will push me that far.

Please. Find me one american leftist who say we should'nt be persuing terrorists...the left is pro-war on terror they just toally disagree with the shotgun empty the treasury method used by current administration. E.G. It's ineffective. It's expensive. It's breeding more not less terrorists etc. Many of thier objections have been borne out too. I think you've been listening to spin mysters like Limbaugh and riley if you really believe that tripe you just typed.

 

[ericlp]

why not a poll?

I'm 37, more so left. Never was to the right, but could be with a prez that had a brain. As I am all for saving $$ and spending it conservatively.

Anyway, pro choice, pro birth control, pro sex ed and drug ed...

Anti war, I always knew there were no WMD... I was not for going to Iraq, alone... We should have gone in with the UN.

I am not really left nor right since they are both really dangerous. I am not in favor of a 2 party system tho.. GASP, I did vote demo since I can't stand bush. I normally Don't Vote or vote for a green party.

Religion? Science is my religion. I'm talking about real science. Go rent the Carl Sagan DVD's.... Now that is REAL science.

and creationism is not science.


Edit: gay... Not for nor against them. I say leave them along and let them do what they want, they are human and people like you and I. They have every right like anyone else does. Yeah, we all don't like homeless or crack addicts sucking down the system and getting food stamps on mr tax payer. We don't go out and vote for taking rights away from them. I'd rather stand in line with a bunch of gay men/woman then those losers.

I believe everyone should go out and get a job if they are able. I think no one needs to cheat, steal and lie. Tho it's happens more then you think. I think this country needs to fix / help itself before we judge another country. I think we need to teach HONESTY in schools...

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: raildogg
Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

Well, I used to be a loyal Republican and fierce conservative, but thanks in part to the actions of the current crop of righties, I decided I'd fit in better with the lefties. Perhaps it's more about us as individuals than the actions of parties or factions. I've seen your posts, you may have some liberal views, but your general attitude fits in a lot better on the right. And while some of my views might be considered conservative, my attitude has always been far more liberal than conservative. I just didn't realize it until I saw how different my "fellow" righties were. Perhaps you are seeing some of that, just because they aren't like you doesn't make them bad.

I used to be a Democrat but I have always been somewhat moderate on issues like sexuality and similar issues. I am understanding but don't care for it much. 9/11 really changed my views on foreign policy and it was one of the reasons I stopped supporting the Democratic party. Maybe my views fit the right better because of my foreign policy views. I am not pro-war but I am pro-war on terror. I guess many of the right wingers here are also the same way. You're right, my fellow left wingers here do seem different. But maybe they just seem more radical than they actually are.

The left wingers I know are not radicals actually, at least not most of them. They are good people who actually do care for America unlike some here would like you to believe. They care for family, religion and values which I care about. I may not be the liberal that I used to be, but I don't think I'm quite conservative - yet. Maybe the radical left will push me that far.

Please. Find me one american leftist who say we should'nt be persuing terrorists...the left is pro-war on terror they just toally disagree with the shotgun empty the treasury method used by current administration. E.G. It's ineffective. It's expensive. It's breeding more not less terrorists etc. Many of thier objections have been borne out too. I think you've been listening to spin mysters like Limbaugh and riley if you really believe that tripe you just typed.

Well I know a few leftists, if you can call them that, who say we deserved what we got. I didn't say anything about the Iraq war, which I was against and I believe we should pull out quickly rather than later. Also, you're assuming like many here do. You're assuming I listen to Rush or other talk-radio show hosts. Just because I say something one way or another, it doesn't mean I listen to one side or another or read one source of news or another. And no, I don't listen to Rush or any other talk radio show hosts. But you can continue to believe that if you want.

Also, when we say leftists, we don't necessarily mean a liberal. Leftists across America are finding ways to justify Islamic radicalism, the 9/11 attacks and other similar events. There is no justification of 9/11.

One belief that I do agree with is that some people across the world have the right to say to us Americans after 9/11 "What was the big deal?". Countries have been dealing with terrorism for much longer than America has, at least not on our shores. The people in those countries have the right to have a certain attitude one way or another about 9/11. But all decent people will agree that 9/11 was inexcusable.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: raildogg
Thanks to the leftists, I'm moving to the right slowly. I'm still in the leftist side of politics for the most part, I have become more fiscally conservative and even socially conservative. I was hearing this disturbing clip from a radical abortion doctor today. I hope that doesn't change my pro-choice views. Some of these abortion rights people are plain sick.

Anyway, I am fairly young and go to college. I have been meeting with pagans and other radical leftists recently and not all of them are bad folks. Most are good and very informative. I dislike the radical left still but thats mainly their agenda, not the people themselves.

Hey liberals and others, you guys are driving people like me and others away from you and your caues. Change your radical ways.

Oh and southern pride! :thumbsup:

Well, I used to be a loyal Republican and fierce conservative, but thanks in part to the actions of the current crop of righties, I decided I'd fit in better with the lefties. Perhaps it's more about us as individuals than the actions of parties or factions. I've seen your posts, you may have some liberal views, but your general attitude fits in a lot better on the right. And while some of my views might be considered conservative, my attitude has always been far more liberal than conservative. I just didn't realize it until I saw how different my "fellow" righties were. Perhaps you are seeing some of that, just because they aren't like you doesn't make them bad.

I used to be a Democrat but I have always been somewhat moderate on issues like sexuality and similar issues. I am understanding but don't care for it much. 9/11 really changed my views on foreign policy and it was one of the reasons I stopped supporting the Democratic party. Maybe my views fit the right better because of my foreign policy views. I am not pro-war but I am pro-war on terror. I guess many of the right wingers here are also the same way. You're right, my fellow left wingers here do seem different. But maybe they just seem more radical than they actually are.

The left wingers I know are not radicals actually, at least not most of them. They are good people who actually do care for America unlike some here would like you to believe. They care for family, religion and values which I care about. I may not be the liberal that I used to be, but I don't think I'm quite conservative - yet. Maybe the radical left will push me that far.

Please. Find me one american leftist who say we should'nt be persuing terrorists...the left is pro-war on terror they just toally disagree with the shotgun empty the treasury method used by current administration. E.G. It's ineffective. It's expensive. It's breeding more not less terrorists etc. Many of thier objections have been borne out too. I think you've been listening to spin mysters like Limbaugh and riley if you really believe that tripe you just typed.

Well I know a few leftists, if you can call them that, who say we deserved what we got. I didn't say anything about the Iraq war, which I was against and I believe we should pull out quickly rather than later. Also, you're assuming like many here do. You're assuming I listen to Rush or other talk-radio show hosts. Just because I say something one way or another, it doesn't mean I listen to one side or another or read one source of news or another. And no, I don't listen to Rush or any other talk radio show hosts. But you can continue to believe that if you want.

Also, when we say leftists, we don't necessarily mean a liberal. Leftists across America are finding ways to justify Islamic radicalism, the 9/11 attacks and other similar events. There is no justification of 9/11.

One belief that I do agree with is that some people across the world have the right to say to us Americans after 9/11 "What was the big deal?". Countries have been dealing with terrorism for much longer than America has, at least not on our shores. The people in those countries have the right to have a certain attitude one way or another about 9/11. But all decent people will agree that 9/11 was inexcusable.

Shens. Your "leftists" are strawmen. From 9/11 some have sought the answer to "Why" 9/11 happened. Those seeking it have been erroneously labeled as Islamic Apologists. However, that label is only applied after twisting the words of those seeking the answer.

 

[msparish]

Just turned 24, raised extremely conservative. Was very conservative for a time, but now I'd consider myself left leaning socially (i.e. for gay marriage, legalization of drugs, etc...but I also think things like affirmative action have outlived their usefulness). Fiscally, I'm pretty much in the center. I appreciate lean government and a balanced budget, but realize there are some things that cannot be done effectively in the private sector. Generally a split ticket voter.

 

[spunkz]

21, socially conservative, and leaning towards a libertarian view of government. i view our public school system as a failed project and am against big government in general, mainly because a ridiculous percentage of our budget ends up in people's pockets(who don't deserve it). i believe in justice, in that whether or not we know a criminal will change his ways, the law demands a punishment that fits the crime. as such, i agree with the death penalty. i also believe the principles of "separation of church and state" in the constitution were written to prevent a single state-sponsored religion and to protect churches from state interference, not to have our leaders ignore all things religious.