Overweight passengers

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Yeah, but what if the elevator cable snaps, and you start to fall 5 stories, with no fatty to cushion your fall?

When the cable snaps, the automatic break system engages.

Originally posted by: Armitage
Wasn't there an aircraft accident in the last year or so attributed to something similar? ie. bad CG due to the average weight of the passengers being higher then the models account for?

Yeah, now where did I read about that. Oh wait. I know. In the link the OP posted.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: sixone
Did anyone read the friggin article?

Investigators believe a combination of factors could have contributed to the Ethan Allen tragedy, including a large wake created by another boat, a sudden shift of passengers' weight on the boat's bench-style seats, and the overall weight of the passengers.

The investigation is not complete yet. Before you blame these victims for their own deaths, how bout we get ALL the facts?

Unless you're only interested in bashing 'fatties' or whoever else is handy at the time.. :roll:

this is atot you know. where everyone knows everything and facts are just a side note.

 

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: sixone
Did anyone read the friggin article?

Investigators believe a combination of factors could have contributed to the Ethan Allen tragedy, including a large wake created by another boat, a sudden shift of passengers' weight on the boat's bench-style seats, and the overall weight of the passengers.

The investigation is not complete yet. Before you blame these victims for their own deaths, how bout we get ALL the facts?

Unless you're only interested in bashing 'fatties' or whoever else is handy at the time.. :roll:

this is atot you know. where everyone knows everything and facts are just a side note.

also runs 2 min miles, pefect ladies man, benches 400lbs, and are trained to take down a guy with their pinky finger.

 

[bleeb]

wow.

 

[Chiller2]

It wasn't that the passengers were to fat it was that the Coast Guard had not revised their capcity ratings since the 1960's when it was set at an average of 140lb's today the average is higher. So basically the boat was overloaded.

 

[WangoZ]

Originally posted by: Chiller2
It wasn't that the passengers were to fat it was that the Coast Guard had not revised their capcity ratings since the 1960's when it was set at an average of 140lb's today the average is higher. So basically the boat was overloaded.

This is the correct answer here, boat was built in the 1960s....The captain was a very responsible guy...Retired N.Y. State trooper, experienced captain, knew the Lake and the bigger boats paths on their tours.He submitted voluntarily to a blood test and will most likely pass it. The passengers were elderly, some wheelchair bound..The cabin of the boat was covered in plexiglass making it difficult for them to find their way out from under the boat when it capsized, which only took minutes. The Lake temps were around 68 degrees and for most wouldn't be so bad, for for the elderly probably pretty cold.
They have been pulling canes, walkers and other old age type devices from the Lake..
One thing for sure is they needed another crew member (hopefully a bit younger than the captain) to help with these folks..I've lived in that area most of my life and this is the worst catastrophe to hit Lake George ever...
Today they are reconstructing the accident and trying to make a bit more sense of how it could have happened. This particular type of boat is like a big canoe though, no real emergency flotation devices...Bet the sister boat will be pulled from the fleet. The owner of the company has closed his businesses until further notice...It's a family business built from the ground up and will suffer for quite awhile...

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sixone
Did anyone read the friggin article?

Investigators believe a combination of factors could have contributed to the Ethan Allen tragedy, including a large wake created by another boat, a sudden shift of passengers' weight on the boat's bench-style seats, and the overall weight of the passengers.

The investigation is not complete yet. Before you blame these victims for their own deaths, how bout we get ALL the facts?

Unless you're only interested in bashing 'fatties' or whoever else is handy at the time.. :roll:

guess you didn't read the article. The passengers' weight is listed as a possible cause. Fatties slid over to one side and flipped the boat.

While its tragic, people have to deal with the consequences of their poor habits/lifestyle.

Smokers were first, you're next fatties.

Guess you don't don't know how to read: a factor is not the same as a cause. And exactly how many fatties did the article identify on that boat? None.

Do tell: what are the consequences of your choice to have no reading comprehension and vocabulary skills?

 

[marvdmartian]

So yah, I can, will, and do make fun of fat people.

Yeah, but we point and laugh at you skinny people, shivering in the cold!! :laugh:

Sadly, this will really end up being something like this:
1. Tour boat operator says his boat can hold X number of people. He's figured that out because he can hold so many people at an average weight of Y pounds.
2. Tourists show up, all of them old and overweight (one of the perks of getting older, I'll remind you!!), and while it's only X number of people, they all weight YY pounds.
3. Tour boat operator says, "I still only make Z dollars per passenger, after the cost of $4 a gallon marine fuel, so I'm taking them all", overpacks his boat with excessive weight, and surprise, surprise......the boat tips over, and a bunch of people die. Chances are the boat operator's going to go out of business after paying all his legal bills, but he won't see any serious jail time (and I'm not going to lay judgement on whether he should or shouldn't, so please don't flame me for doing so).

It's tragic, it's sad, but it's part of life. My condolensces (sp?) to all who lost a loved one in this matter.

Oh, and to those who say it's someone's fault that they're fat, I offer this thought. While it may be true that concious thought does play a part in a person being overweight or not, genetics plays a part too. Especially if you're telling me that your parents and you are skinny, and always have been, then I say you're one of the lucky few percent of people that can probably eat like a hog, and not gain an ounce. You're in the minority, though, so please don't get all high and mighty about your skinniness. Yes, I'm overweight; yes, I did it to myself; and yes, I'm fighting it right now, knowing full well that by doing so, I'm not only increasing my current quality of life, but extending that life at the same time. If I choose to be fat, then deal with it. I promise not to eat your food, as long as you promise not to act all superior because your twig genetics allows you to stay skinny. :roll:

 

[DrPizza]

Remedial reading time:

The U.S. Coast Guard standard assumes a 140-pound average for each person.

Average person was over 140 pounds. All were adults.
Where did the article say they were obese? I missed it.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian

So yah, I can, will, and do make fun of fat people.

Yeah, but we point and laugh at you skinny people, shivering in the cold!! :laugh:

Sadly, this will really end up being something like this:
1. Tour boat operator says his boat can hold X number of people. He's figured that out because he can hold so many people at an average weight of Y pounds.
2. Tourists show up, all of them old and overweight (one of the perks of getting older, I'll remind you!!), and while it's only X number of people, they all weight YY pounds.
3. Tour boat operator says, "I still only make Z dollars per passenger, after the cost of $4 a gallon marine fuel, so I'm taking them all", overpacks his boat with excessive weight, and surprise, surprise......the boat tips over, and a bunch of people die. Chances are the boat operator's going to go out of business after paying all his legal bills, but he won't see any serious jail time (and I'm not going to lay judgement on whether he should or shouldn't, so please don't flame me for doing so).

It's tragic, it's sad, but it's part of life. My condolensces (sp?) to all who lost a loved one in this matter.

Oh, and to those who say it's someone's fault that they're fat, I offer this thought. While it may be true that concious thought does play a part in a person being overweight or not, genetics plays a part too. Especially if you're telling me that your parents and you are skinny, and always have been, then I say you're one of the lucky few percent of people that can probably eat like a hog, and not gain an ounce. You're in the minority, though, so please don't get all high and mighty about your skinniness. Yes, I'm overweight; yes, I did it to myself; and yes, I'm fighting it right now, knowing full well that by doing so, I'm not only increasing my current quality of life, but extending that life at the same time. If I choose to be fat, then deal with it. I promise not to eat your food, as long as you promise not to act all superior because your twig genetics allows you to stay skinny. :roll:

I don't think it is necessarily fat people that make people mad it is the cases where they are a hinderance to society. Fat people tend to have the most health problems (a lot of diabetics wouldn't have symptoms if they lost weight and let their bodies adjust). And excessive obesity puts fat people on gov't aid. That kind of stuff ticks me off.

And seriously, if you were really trying to lose weight, you wouldn't blame it on genetics. I guarantee, that if you moved to a Third-world country with less food, you would lose weight just as fast if not faster than any of the skinny people. Genetics is just an excuse IMO. Unless you have a thalumus problem or something like that. Spend 45 minutes working out and less time eating and complaining about how the workout hurts, and you will lose weight. Most fat people that say they are trying just eat a little less than the excessive amount that they usually do. Calories eaten - amount you burn = +/- calories. If you eat more than you burn, no matter if you eat slightly less than before, you are still going to gain weight. I know it is mean... but it is usually true.

 

[Kelemvor]

Yet another reason Fat people shouldn't et on boats. They should stay in the water with the rest of the whales.

 

[Kelvrick]

These people weren't exactly fat. The boat was rated for its maximum occupancy back when the average adult male was like 140 or 150. Plus, you canj't expect elderly people to always be in good shape. They're old.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Yeah, but what if the elevator cable snaps, and you start to fall 5 stories, with no fatty to cushion your fall?

When the cable snaps, the automatic break system engages.

Originally posted by: Armitage
Wasn't there an aircraft accident in the last year or so attributed to something similar? ie. bad CG due to the average weight of the passengers being higher then the models account for?

Yeah, now where did I read about that. Oh wait. I know. In the link the OP posted.

Oops - guess who didn't RTFA

 

That was part of it, the average weight of a person has gone up since the last weight ceritification the boat had.

More importantly the chairs WERE NOT BOLTED DOWN, so when the boat tipped, everyone in chairs went sliding to one side of the boat, causing a weight imbalance.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The Seattle Times today says the boat itself was modified, including adding lead weights, and that may be the cause.

modding is for cases, mmkay?

 

[DrPizza]

modded by putting in a larger engine, then 7? lead weights in the front as ballast to level the boat back out.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
modded by putting in a larger engine, then 7? lead weights in the front as ballast to level the boat back out.

I wonder how/if they compensated for the extra weight? I'd bet money they didn't reduce their maximum passenger load accordingly.

 

[yumychinesefood]

should've used fat guy for lifeboat...