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[corwin]

Hope this doesn't violate any "rules" as it's only my non-expert opinion/commentary.

So I've been reading all too many posts here without comment and I have come to a very sad conclusion...you all suck, myself included.

Why you might ask?

Well to begin with when was the last time you gave of yourself? Not talking about money here, but giving of "yourself"?

What do you personally give that benefits anyone besides yourself?

Do you give blood? Regularly?

Are you on any sort of donor list, organ after death or otherwise?

Do you contribute your time to anything worthy?

Do you contribute anything at all aside from "working" your job?

This goes beyond any perceived "bias" that I would "hope" it was obvious, we should be helping our fellow man and not "casting stones" as the case may be.

For those of you who want to label me, and from my perspective that would be each and every one of you, I am a serious conservative. To be more specific
I am a Catholic conservative, most likely representative of our majority though I make no proclamation of such. This will likely bring out the screaming
of "wing-nut" from those of liberal cast or "socialist" for the real "wing-nuts", but I am neither. In fact I am something that either side strives,
I would hope, to become. Something in between that attempts to become better than either is "alone".

So in the end I guess I just have this question to pose to you all, what have you done to make our world better, even if for only one person?

Forget the "vote" for the "well-intentioned/right" candidate, but do something FOR SOMEONE aside from you?

I am as guilty as most any of you (catholic guilt aside, I am far from a cradle catholic) of not giving of myself. While I do at least
give of my blood freely as often as is allowed, I could easily sign up as a donor of bone marrow or other "non-vital" organs but haven't.
So in that sense I am as guilty as any, but how many of us are aware of our "guilt"?

Let the "beatings" commence....

 

[TruePaige]

TLR, seriously though, what a dick post. You don't know everyone here and many of these things are never even covered here. How is this P&N material?

I think you are a nut that supersedes wings. You could of just wrote "catholic" and got a lot of your nuttiness out of the way.

 

[Moonbeam]

I remind myself how worthless I am on a regular basis.

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
TLR, seriously though, what a dick post. You don't know everyone here and many of these things are never even covered here. How is this P&N material?

I think you are a nut that supersedes wings. You could of just wrote "catholic" and got a lot of your nuttiness out of the way.

Personal attack noted and dismissed....any serious argument as to your own personal deposit to humankind?

Catholic is too easily a dismissive topic...I am not against birth-control, am pro-life but not anti-abortion (weird, huh?), among many other opinions that are likely more "Catholic" than not....

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I remind myself how worthless I am on a regular basis.

If that were serious I would only hope that you strive to improve...but your posts don't seem to indicate otherwise

 

[totalnoob]

I work for a living. That is the highest form of "giving" there is. It is the most "worthy" thing anyone can do for society.. All the other crap you spouted is blind self sacrifice and there is no morality in that.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: totalnoob
I work for a living. That is the highest form of "giving" there is. It is the most "worthy" thing anyone can do for society..to give their best effort and be good at what they do. All the other crap you spouted is blind self sacrifice.

Working for a living is the highest form of "giving"? I'm sorry, but you're severely deluded. That's nowhere near "giving", it's pretty self-indulgent if you don't actually do something with the money you earn besides spend it on yourself, for example.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: corwin

So in the end I guess I just have this question to pose to you all, what have you done to make our world better, even if for only one person?

I fellate myself daily. It's the Calvinist in me.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: totalnoob
I work for a living. That is the highest form of "giving" there is. It is the most "worthy" thing anyone can do for society.. All the other crap you spouted is blind self sacrifice and there is no morality in that.

you are even wackier than thye OP....noway is working for a living the highest form of giving.....

 

[totalnoob]

You fellas need to do some thinking about this.. If you are a moral being, the only way to help yourself IS to help others..to be good at what you do and to exchange your best efforts for the best efforts of others. You are "giving" your time and energy (or their equivalent - money) to those who deserve it and those you value most. Where is the morality in sacrificing your life to the unknown and potentially undeserving? That is the height of immorality IMO. I'm not saying charity is bad...but blind, conditionless charity certainly is.

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: totalnoob
I work for a living. That is the highest form of "giving" there is. It is the most "worthy" thing anyone can do for society.. All the other crap you spouted is blind self sacrifice and there is no morality in that.

you are even wackier than thye OP....noway is working for a living the highest form of giving.....

So in your opinion what would be the highest form of giving? Or for that matter the best form of giving?

I have seen many opinions here of what is best/worst for our economy/nation, but honestly, what's the best for mankind in general? We're not talking profit margins or taxes or any partisan BS, which is overflowing here as well as in DC, but about our fellow man?

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: totalnoob
You fellas need to do some thinking about this.. If you are a moral being, the only way to help yourself IS to help others..to be good at what you do and to exchange your best efforts for the best efforts of others. You are "giving" your time and energy (or their equivalent - money) to those who deserve it and those you value most. Where is the morality in sacrificing your life to the unknown and potentially undeserving? That is the height of immorality IMO. I'm not saying charity is bad...but blind, conditionless charity certainly is.

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" by the receipent. This would be classified as a selfless act and IMO counts much more than any "known/publicized" act of charity anyone has ever performed, through "work" or otherwise.

 

[AreaCode707]

Organ donor (in case of death) who works with teens about 6 hours a week regularly and spends at least a week in the summer dealing with troubled teens (raped/beat/substance problems/etc.) and would like to someday have foster teenagers. Can't give blood because I have arthritis and do a weekly injection to control it, therefore making myself ineligible. Can't donate most non-essential organs for the same reason.

American Anglican conservative libertarian, if it makes any difference.

[edit] Oh, and attempting to start a mostly self-sustaining mini urban farm on an acre we own (out of 10 acres of Washington state class 2 wetlands, which will be preserved for salmon spawning.) If you wanted the environmental track record.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I remind myself how worthless I am on a regular basis.

If that were serious I would only hope that you strive to improve...but your posts don't seem to indicate otherwise

Provokes a lot more new and interesting thoughts than the average person on here..

Kinda hilarious how you are wagging the finger while admitting you have no basis to do so

I suggest you get the fuck off this board and go do something useful if you really believe what you say

 

[totalnoob]

Originally posted by: corwin

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" .

Interesting..You believe in helping people..even those who DON'T deserve your help..people with NO virtues you respect.. And you consider this not only a good thing, but the height of morality? What a twisted view of the world. I think you need to do a little introspection buddy. Your "morality" consists of abdicating all moral judgement and putting yourself on an altar of self sacrifice to be disposed of by anyone for any reason.. It's a horrific idea, but not surprising coming from a product of religion.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Organ donor (in case of death) who works with teens about 6 hours a week regularly and spends at least a week in the summer dealing with troubled teens (raped/beat/substance problems/etc.) and would like to someday have foster teenagers. Can't give blood because I have arthritis and do a weekly injection to control it, therefore making myself ineligible. Can't donate most non-essential organs for the same reason.

American Anglican conservative libertarian, if it makes any difference.

[edit] Oh, and attempting to start a mostly self-sustaining mini urban farm on an acre we own (out of 10 acres of Washington state class 2 wetlands, which will be preserved for salmon spawning.) If you wanted the environmental track record.

Very nice, well done.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: totalnoob
You fellas need to do some thinking about this.. If you are a moral being, the only way to help yourself IS to help others..to be good at what you do and to exchange your best efforts for the best efforts of others. You are "giving" your time and energy (or their equivalent - money) to those who deserve it and those you value most. Where is the morality in sacrificing your life to the unknown and potentially undeserving? That is the height of immorality IMO. I'm not saying charity is bad...but blind, conditionless charity certainly is.

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" by the receipent. This would be classified as a selfless act and IMO counts much more than any "known/publicized" act of charity anyone has ever performed, through "work" or otherwise.

trying to score points is trying to score points...you can mold a turd into whatever shape you want but its still a...yes you know

If you really believe in being selfless then why do you attempt to aggravate others by self-declaring your moral superiority while simultaneously declaring your moral equivalence?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Hmmm not politics nor news.... Hmmm

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: totalnoob

Originally posted by: corwin

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" .

Interesting..So you believe in helping people..even those who don't deserve your help..people with NO virtues you respect...and you think this is the height of morality? What a twisted view of the world.

Quite eloquent if a little misguided...yes I believe it to be moral to help anyone regardless of whether I "believe" they 'deserve" it or not. This would be the definition of being selfless, which I apsire to be but fall short of.

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Provokes a lot more new and interesting thoughts than the average person on here..

Kinda hilarious how you are wagging the finger while admitting you have no basis to do so

I suggest you get the fuck off this board and go do something useful if you really believe what you say

Not sure if you're referring to my "new and interesting thoughts" or those of another, but regardless, there's no "finger wagging" other than to bring to everyone/anyone's attention that regardless of their "affiliation" we all have more we could do to help our fellow man, myself included. So we should really stop the childish name calling and put our words where our mouth is, here or otherwise.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: totalnoob

Originally posted by: corwin

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" .

Interesting..So you believe in helping people..even those who don't deserve your help..people with NO virtues you respect...and you think this is the height of morality? What a twisted view of the world.

Quite eloquent if a little misguided...yes I believe it to be moral to help anyone regardless of whether I "believe" they 'deserve" it or not. This would be the definition of being selfless, which I apsire to be but fall short of.

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Provokes a lot more new and interesting thoughts than the average person on here..

Kinda hilarious how you are wagging the finger while admitting you have no basis to do so

I suggest you get the fuck off this board and go do something useful if you really believe what you say

Not sure if you're referring to my "new and interesting thoughts" or those of another, but regardless, there's no "finger wagging" other than to bring to everyone/anyone's attention that regardless of their "affiliation" we all have more we could do to help our fellow man, myself included. So we should really stop the childish name calling and put our words where our mouth is, here or otherwise.

Except that this whole thread is just a childish attempt to try to make yourself feel superior.

The thoughts that I was referring to were Moonbeam's. What you said: "If that were serious I would only hope that you strive to improve...but your posts don't seem to indicate otherwise"

Basically a slap in the face to someone who was agreeing with you. He didn't make any sarcastic comments. If he had a negative intention it was certainly undetectable. It just proves that you have no real intention of looking beyond your bogus affiliations and instead are using them as tools for trolling.

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: totalnoob
You fellas need to do some thinking about this.. If you are a moral being, the only way to help yourself IS to help others..to be good at what you do and to exchange your best efforts for the best efforts of others. You are "giving" your time and energy (or their equivalent - money) to those who deserve it and those you value most. Where is the morality in sacrificing your life to the unknown and potentially undeserving? That is the height of immorality IMO. I'm not saying charity is bad...but blind, conditionless charity certainly is.

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" by the receipent. This would be classified as a selfless act and IMO counts much more than any "known/publicized" act of charity anyone has ever performed, through "work" or otherwise.

trying to score points is trying to score points...you can mold a turd into whatever shape you want but its still a...yes you know

If you really believe in being selfless then why do you attempt to aggravate others by self-declaring your moral superiority while simultaneously declaring your moral equivalence?

You assume that my post was to aggravate others? In actuality it was an attempt to bring some humanity to the community and stimulate some thought as to our individual responsibility to society as a whole, nothing more or less. By admitting my own culpability I was attempting to make the topic less "aggravating" in an attempt to bring true thought to the process. With the responses thus far I see I have failed.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Impersonal attack noted and dismissed.

 

[corwin]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: totalnoob

Originally posted by: corwin

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" .

Interesting..So you believe in helping people..even those who don't deserve your help..people with NO virtues you respect...and you think this is the height of morality? What a twisted view of the world.

Quite eloquent if a little misguided...yes I believe it to be moral to help anyone regardless of whether I "believe" they 'deserve" it or not. This would be the definition of being selfless, which I apsire to be but fall short of.

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Provokes a lot more new and interesting thoughts than the average person on here..

Kinda hilarious how you are wagging the finger while admitting you have no basis to do so

I suggest you get the fuck off this board and go do something useful if you really believe what you say

Not sure if you're referring to my "new and interesting thoughts" or those of another, but regardless, there's no "finger wagging" other than to bring to everyone/anyone's attention that regardless of their "affiliation" we all have more we could do to help our fellow man, myself included. So we should really stop the childish name calling and put our words where our mouth is, here or otherwise.

Except that this whole thread is just a childish attempt to try to make yourself feel superior.

The thoughts that I was referring to were Moonbeam's. What you said: "If that were serious I would only hope that you strive to improve...but your posts don't seem to indicate otherwise"

Basically a slap in the face to someone who was agreeing with you. He didn't make any sarcastic comments. If he had a negative intention it was certainly undetectable. It just proves that you have no real intention of looking beyond your bogus affiliations and instead are using them as tools for trolling.

Uh, seriously? MOON's comment's, if serious and not just in line with his/her usual self-immolating banter, is welcome but taken with apprehension. As for childish, who's resorted to childish language? And for reference, to what "bogus affiliations" do you refer?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: corwin

Originally posted by: totalnoob

Originally posted by: corwin

BTW, blind charity is the most MORAL, SELFLESS, CARING thing any human can do for another...regardless of whether it was "undeserved" .

Interesting..So you believe in helping people..even those who don't deserve your help..people with NO virtues you respect...and you think this is the height of morality? What a twisted view of the world.

Quite eloquent if a little misguided...yes I believe it to be moral to help anyone regardless of whether I "believe" they 'deserve" it or not. This would be the definition of being selfless, which I apsire to be but fall short of.

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Provokes a lot more new and interesting thoughts than the average person on here..

Kinda hilarious how you are wagging the finger while admitting you have no basis to do so

I suggest you get the fuck off this board and go do something useful if you really believe what you say

Not sure if you're referring to my "new and interesting thoughts" or those of another, but regardless, there's no "finger wagging" other than to bring to everyone/anyone's attention that regardless of their "affiliation" we all have more we could do to help our fellow man, myself included. So we should really stop the childish name calling and put our words where our mouth is, here or otherwise.

Except that this whole thread is just a childish attempt to try to make yourself feel superior.

The thoughts that I was referring to were Moonbeam's. What you said: "If that were serious I would only hope that you strive to improve...but your posts don't seem to indicate otherwise"

Basically a slap in the face to someone who was agreeing with you. He didn't make any sarcastic comments. If he had a negative intention it was certainly undetectable. It just proves that you have no real intention of looking beyond your bogus affiliations and instead are using them as tools for trolling.

Uh, seriously? MOON's comment's, if serious and not just in line with his/her usual self-immolating banter, is welcome but taken with apprehension. As for childish, who's resorted to childish language? And for reference, to what "bogus affiliations" do you refer?

If you really wanted to build bridges you would cut the shit and not trot out the inflammatory issues such as religion and politics. You would not also proceed to say that the height of morality is to help someone when no one else knows in a thread where your first post lets us know the very fact that you are "helping others".

 

[guyver01]

hey! who moved this P&N tripe to OT... we dont need this crap here either..


might i suggest moving this to \dev\null ?