overclocking problem

Marcus Marti

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I've just got a new mobo and cpu and tried to oc it but it wont even do fsb 220.
I'm new at this so any advice and\or help would be highly appreciated.
My specs are:
AMD64 3500 130
Abit av8 3rd eye
Asus ax800xt pe
Wd raptor 74g
2* Kingston value ram pc3200 cl 3
Aopen 400w psu
 

superkdogg

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With your setup, you'll probably need to start out with the memory clock set to 333 (allows the memory to not be OC'd as much). You'll probably also have to lower the LDT bus to 4x (that's Abit's setting for the HTT). Make sure that the AGP/PCI multipliers are locked. There's also been reports that SATA on certain boards is not locked and causes failed OC's. I'm not sure which these apply to, because I have too many IDE drives to move to SATA yet. Since you're new, I don't know how new so I'll just say it-Don't go crazy with voltage. That's the best way to burn up stuff. Lower voltages are not your problem, I'd bet my life on it.
 

Marcus Marti

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Thanks for your reply!
I'm VERY new to all this so every advice I'm given is welcome.
I've lowered the memory clock as you've said and now everything runs stable at fsb 220!
Does this mean my Kingston value ram ( CL 3 ) is the bottleneck in my current config?
When running Aquamark my scores are about the same: memory clock on 400 and fsb 200 = 70000 and memoryclock on 333 and fsb 220 = 69500.
How do I proceed now?
 

FlameDeer

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Welcome to AnandTech, Marcus. :)

By now, you can try to slowly increase your fsb further.
When OCing remember to monitor your CPU & system temp.

System stability always is the main concern when OCing.
It is wise to get the maximum performance without sacrifice stability when OCing. :)
 

Marcus Marti

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Thanks for the welcome, it's much aprreciated!
My temps are fine, but then I've not yet reached a decent oc.
I'm getting two new memeory modules tomorrow and I'll see what happens then.
Problem is I'm new at overclocking and you hear so many different things so it's hard to tell what's good.
Anyway thanks again for the welcome.
 

superkdogg

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Yep, your memory could be the issue with your OC. Being PC3200 means that it runs @ 200 Mhz (400 DDR) by default 220 FSB=10% OC of memory. Since running memory asynchronously is not a huge penalty on Athlon64's as opposed to P4's, some of us with limited budgets are using the asynch route for OC'ing. The reason that your scores did not change much is that some benchmarks are more sensitive to memory speed and some are more sensitive the the actual clockspeed of the CPU. By lowering your memory speed and increasing your CPU speed as you have in your experience (if you further up your FSB, memory will return to baseline since it is not fixed at 333, but starts @ 333 if FSB=400) you have effectively come up with different way to make your system perform like it would have if left stock (in that particular application).

The other things I'm noticing with your setup are these:
1. You have new memory coming-(I'm assuming faster memory) This may allow you to overclock in synch with FSB which will give you a benefit in most if not all apps.
2. You started out with a 3500+, which is damn fast to begin with, so if you can OC that by 10% as you have, that's nothing to scoff at. Reaching higher will not give you drastically different results, but IMHO it's always worth getting the most out of what you have.
3. If you're only benchmarking video-based apps like AQM then you'll notice a more recognizable difference by OC'ing your video card if you haven't done that already.
4. Get a copy of Prime95 (google it) and use the blended test for at least 4 hrs. (many run it for 24+) to check for stability of overclocks. Be sure to keep and eye on temps when you do this, because it is a very taxing application and it'll heat up your CPU quickly if you don't have enough cooling. (The stock cooler is pretty good, but not great).
 

Marcus Marti

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Dec 27, 2004
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I'll get the new memory installed and see what happens then, and I think you're right about a 10% oc, if a can reach a stable oc of 10% with the memory clock at 400 I'm happy for now.
I mainly use my pc for gaming that's why I bench with Aqm, but I'm also getting Prime95 as you've said to check stability further. So far temps are not a problem, I use the Zalman cpns 7000cu and so far it does a perfect job. I've had the Zalman on a 3,2 prescott before and it even kept that under 50Cel.
My idle temp reads 20C ( I'm using the abit gurur clock to monitor ) and under load it never reaches 35.
Thanks for your help so far, it's very much appreciated!
 

Marcus Marti

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Dec 27, 2004
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Just installed the memory, all runs stable with memory clock at default (400) and fsb 216. I've oc'ed using uguru's turbo mode which automatically adjust everything since I'm very new to this. How should I proceed from here? Adjust the fsb only or also the voltage? Again I'm very new to this overclocking so please bear with me. Any advice is welcome.
 

superkdogg

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You should increase the FSB without making any other adjustments at this point. If you encounter instability, you could do a number of things-increase voltage to vCore (CPU), vDimm (RAM) or lower the LDT (HTT Speed) or you could stop and call that your best until you learn more. With a 3500+ and an 8% OC already, you won't have any more tangible gains. You're basically going into territory where the only thing you're affecting is benchmark scores. I bet you could maybe squeeze out 2-5 more FPS in certain games, but not much more. I'd say take your time, read any basic overclocking guides you can (especially a64 because it's a little different) and good luck!
 

Marcus Marti

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Dec 27, 2004
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When I use uguru for overclocking it automatically adjust all voltages as well. Should I adjust the fsb only? And in what steps should I increase? Is running Prime95 enough for stability testing or should I use other tests as well?
 

Marcus Marti

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Should I adjust the memory timing according to my new memory modules specs ( 2-2-2-5-1T )?
When set to auto the bios sets the CAS latency to 2.5 instead of 1. Memory performance has already improved over the Kingston value ram I had installed earlier.
 

Marcus Marti

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Any chance you have MSN messenger? I kinda have a lot of questions and you seem to have most of the answers. If so please let me know.
 

Marcus Marti

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Your email adress from your profile appears not to be valid, I've sent several emails but they are all returned to me.