Overclocking Potential: Report your Intel E4xxx and E2xxx standard voltage here

GundamF91

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I tested out two brand new E4500 processors today. One born in the 1st week of Nov, and one born in the 4th week of Nov. Both are of the latest Stepping D and Revision M0. The 1st week Nov unit has standard factory default core voltage of 1.30v, while the 4th week Nov unit has a default core voltage of 1.325v.

This probably is the result of Intel factory QC testing and setting the default voltage for the core. I was also able to confirm that the 1.30v E4500 does overclock better than the 1.325v E4500, in terms of reaching 3.33Ghz at a lower Core voltage.

I'm curious to find out what are the default voltage of E4xxx are out there. I'd imagine there's probably a 1.275 default VID. If you're really lucky, you may even get a 1.25v. On the other hand you may have 1.325v. The max E4500 VID is 1.35v so if you have that one, it's the bottom of the barrel in terms of E4500 performance. If you have a lower one, chances are your processor will overclock better, or at the very least be able to run same overclock at lower vCore and temperature. This info probably applicable to E2xxx too since it uses the similar Allendale core. I'm not sure if that's the case with Conroes E6xxx and Q6xxx, but chances are that the lower your default core voltage, the better processor you have.

There are several ways you can find out the default core voltage. Easiest is if you let the motherboard run everything at default or auto, at the original processor speed. The BIOS may actually show you what default it is. My ABIT IP35-E shows the default Vcore when you set everything at default, and it's also the lowest vCore you can manually set at. You can also use CoreTemp should also show the VID value. Or if you have RightMark, you can read off the start up VID. Everest will also show the default core voltage values. Lastly, if you can't the precise VID value, you can read it using CPUz. Note CPUz will probably report vDroop values, not true core voltage set by the motherboard, so you can add about 0.035v onto CPUz value to calculate the approximate VID. I think VID goes up in 0.025v increments.

 

GundamF91

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That's a nice low default vCore for E2140. No wonder you can hit 3.2Ghz with ease. I wonder what's the "average" E2140 factory default vCore is.

With the fact that E2xxx and E4xxx are labeled with "1.35v Max" on the package, that gives a lot of headroom in cranking the voltage up.
 

harpoon84

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The default Vcore for my L2 stepping E4400 is 1.275V. Aren't M0 stepping E4x00 chips meant to have a lower default Vcore? I've read they come as low as 1.18V... so I'm rather surprised yours come in at 1.3V and 1.325V!

Anyhow, my overclocking results are as follows:

2.5GHz @ 1.1V undervolted
3.1GHz @ 1.275V stock
3.3GHz @ 1.42V

This is using an Asus P5B Deluxe, 2x1GB Corsair VS DDR2-667 and stock HSF (yes I'm too cheap to get a better one :p)
 

GundamF91

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I think it's clear that they come in with a variety of default vCore, and that's the nature of the "lottery" we're playing with. The lower your vCore, the better it'll be. Pain999's E4600 is apparently one of the E4xxx class processor. 3.6Ghz on 1.4v is incredible.
 

BadRobot

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Anyone know an average vdroop? I've seen my droop atleast .05v and i think it might have been as much as .075...
 

GundamF91

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vDroop is specificed in Intel spec, but slightly differs by board makers. My Abit IP35-E droops by 0.03v on idle, and 0.05v on load.
 

brencat

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E2180, Batch in Sig, Pack Date 9/1/07. VID = 1.325v

With Default 10x multi:

2.9ghz @ Stock Volts
3.0ghz @ 1.365v
3.1ghz @ 1.405v
3.2ghz @ 1.445v
3.25ghz @ 1.465v (Current setting)
3.3ghz @ 1.505v

Cooling with Tuniq 120

Per above, vcore scaling has been near perfect at +0.04 vcore per 90 - 100mhz increase in core speed beyond 2.9ghz, except between 3.2 and 3.3 where it needed +0.06v. Too much for my taste.
 

Arcanedeath

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I recently built a rig for my Father for Xmas and it has an E2140 M0 stepping w/ a VID of 1.30V its running 400x8 for 3.2Ghz w/ 1.35v (bios) 1.34v (load) w/ an Asus p5k deluxe and 2 x 2gb of the ewiz super talent DDR 800, its got an aerocool dominator HSF in an Antec Lanboy (old style case) w/ all the fans run at 1000-1200 rpm. He's very happy :) chip hits aprox 59c under dual prime 95 (still around 26c to tjuction per coretemp) but its 24hr prime blend and large fft stable. I haven't really tried to push it farther as it doesn't really have good enough cooling to go farther.
 

BadRobot

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I'm convinced my board is limiting my overclock. However, i'm satisfied seeing as how i bought it as an open box deal for 69 dollars...
 

clickynext

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CPU: E2140, stock cooling
Voltage: 1.18v - 1.296v (self-adjusts depending on load)
Clock: 2.67ghz (333x8)
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: BadRobot
I'm convinced my board is limiting my overclock.
You got a 100% overclock out of that chip with vcore < 1.40. I'd venture that's in the top 5% of 2140 OCs and is effing fantastic. Consider yourself lucky you even made it to 400 FSB as most of these E2XXXs top out around the 370 - 380 FSB range.
 

The-Noid

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I had an X6800 that was default vid of 1.0000 and ran 2.93g with 1.02v vcore.

As for overclocking it hit 3.8 ghz with 1.4v and was 24/7 stable at 4.3 ghz with 1.60v under phase.

Don't know how much this helps you. But it seems the linear scale still progresses to around the same voltages with a given frequency, regardless of what the VID starts out as..

 

GundamF91

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That's pretty serious Vdroop. Were you stressing it with Orthos while at 3.2Ghz? I wonder if that's because your Antec PSU is being pushed pretty hard.

If there's a big sample of E2xxx and E4xxx around, it'll be pretty easy to assess what's the average of these CPU vCore, and then figure out the "lotto" chance of winning an above average processor.
 

BadRobot

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Yea it was load at 3.2. Could be the PSU stressing I suppose...I'd like to think it was the Mobo though... *wants it to be mobo* hehe
 

GundamF91

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Originally posted by: clickynext
CPU: E2140, stock cooling
Voltage: 1.18v - 1.296v (self-adjusts depending on load)
Clock: 2.67ghz (333x8)

It appears that you have speedstep on, and are you running at default speed non-overclocked? If so, then that shows you have a default vCore of 1.30v (considering slight Vdroop). When my E4500 is speedstepped down to 6x, vCore also drops to 1.18v.

 

GundamF91

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Bad Robot, Technically, the Vdroop is part of motherboard's design spec, so I'll take it back, and it's more likely mobo. Antec make good PSU, and even at 80%, it should handle the E2140 + x1950GT. Though I'm not sure why you hit vDroop of 0.1v. Maybe the 400mhz FSB, and the CPU is asking too much from the Northbridge.
 

BadRobot

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Yea and its the cheapest mobo I could find that actually let me overclock lol so...I'm not too surprised =)
 

GundamF91

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Originally posted by: brencat
E2180, Batch in Sig, Pack Date 9/1/07. VID = 1.325v

With Default 10x multi:

2.9ghz @ Stock Volts
3.0ghz @ 1.365v
3.1ghz @ 1.405v
3.2ghz @ 1.445v
3.25ghz @ 1.465v (Current setting)
3.3ghz @ 1.505v

Cooling with Tuniq 120

Per above, vcore scaling has been near perfect at +0.04 vcore per 90 - 100mhz increase in core speed beyond 2.9ghz, except between 3.2 and 3.3 where it needed +0.06v. Too much for my taste.

Even though your starts with a 1.325v (which seems to be about above average for vCore for this class) it looks like you can get pretty linear growth up to about 3.1Ghz with an additional 0.08v. That's prtty impressive, I think your cooling has something to do with it.

To get to 3.2Ghz and beyond, it seems the vCore input requirement is more exponential. If only we could have an Intel engineer here to validate some numbers. I'm sure Intel has done all the engineering reviews to tell us more about this "overclock curve".
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
I recently built a rig for my Father for Xmas and it has an E2140 M0 stepping w/ a VID of 1.30V its running 400x8 for 3.2Ghz w/ 1.35v (bios) 1.34v (load) w/ an Asus p5k deluxe and 2 x 2gb of the ewiz super talent DDR 800, its got an aerocool dominator HSF in an Antec Lanboy (old style case) w/ all the fans run at 1000-1200 rpm. He's very happy :) chip hits aprox 59c under dual prime 95 (still around 26c to tjuction per coretemp) but its 24hr prime blend and large fft stable. I haven't really tried to push it farther as it doesn't really have good enough cooling to go farther.

That's amazing that you were able to hit 3.2 with such a low BIOS vcore setting. I have an E2140 with a VID of something like 1.2675v, and I needed 1.4125v BIOS vcore to avoid the mobo from restarting under load. I could boot and run Prime95 at 1.35, but the mobo reboots spontainously. It could be a strange fault in my GA-P35-DS3R board too.
 

Tempered81

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e4300 1.80ghz model f
L2 stepping
9x multi
359mhz FSB

1.376volts vCore

3232mhz

could probably go higher, but it runs hot as it is. ;(