I'm sure this guy doesn't understand nor enjoys hotrodding either .
oh , by the way , just because someone is a jr. member on here doesn't mean that they haven't been around computers very long, it just means that they haven't posted on here much .
it looks like some people get to be sr. members by putting in their 2 cents worth no matter how many time someone else has already responded ....get the point ?
oh , by the way , just because someone is a jr. member on here doesn't mean that they haven't been around computers very long, it just means that they haven't posted on here much .
it looks like some people get to be sr. members by putting in their 2 cents worth no matter how many time someone else has already responded ....get the point ?
Damn Peeps...don't you guys think your taking it a little hard on al1. He never bashed overclocking.
Quote:
"Don't get me wrong, I understand that overclocking can be
fun and exciting and don't have anything against it. But
it's definitely not the "cheaper" way to go."
To a point I have to agree with him. Take my system for example. I bought a 1Ghz athlon for 220 at the time. I then bought a Taisol CGK for 30. Then some fans, coolers, etc. When I coud've bought the 1.2 for about 260. With no extra fans, except case and ps, but the same heatsink. Price was probable a little more for the 1GHz with all the extra stuff but I wouldn't have modified my case and cooling if I bought the 1.2GHz.
All i'm trying to say is that I'd rather overclock & modify my case to maximize my comp., learn alot, have fun, and have a comp that not very many people can touch (specs wise). And if I spend a little more in the process, so be it. I think all he was trying to say is that theres cheaper ways to build a comp. But if that was his point...there's a lot of ways on saving money while still overclocking. ie: cheaper mb, cd-rom instead of dvd, cheaper ram...etc.
Take what he said for what it is.
I do disagree with his reasons for not overclocking...
"with the utmost probability a system that will need a stronger
PSU than the one that came with your case = spending additional $$$."
I bought one anyways...just cause I want the best
"a system with possible stability problems"
Only if you push it too far. There are limits to overclocking and I believe most of us, once we hit the processors threshold, back off a little to improve stability. We overclock but mostly all of us want a stable overclock or else its not worth it.
"you'll loose the guarantee on the components"
Most of us here upgrade regularly and if our lifespan on a 10year processor goes down to 3-4 years...most of us will just upgrade instad of trying to RMA that thing. If you broke something when you just bought it...take it back and say...*cough cough* "I don't know what happened...I just put it in and it didn't work"
"you'll need more fans or you're overclocked rocket
will go up in smoke = spending additional $$$"
Nothing will go up in smoke...It just won't be stable under load...and that brings up overclocking but to the point of stability issue.
"you've got a system that will rival any small business
server in terms of noise"
Not if you use low noise fans...ie: panaflo
"maybe you'll have to modify or buy a new case that can handle
all the additional fans = additional $$$"
Your point being...
Nuff said,
Mark
Quote:
"Don't get me wrong, I understand that overclocking can be
fun and exciting and don't have anything against it. But
it's definitely not the "cheaper" way to go."
To a point I have to agree with him. Take my system for example. I bought a 1Ghz athlon for 220 at the time. I then bought a Taisol CGK for 30. Then some fans, coolers, etc. When I coud've bought the 1.2 for about 260. With no extra fans, except case and ps, but the same heatsink. Price was probable a little more for the 1GHz with all the extra stuff but I wouldn't have modified my case and cooling if I bought the 1.2GHz.
All i'm trying to say is that I'd rather overclock & modify my case to maximize my comp., learn alot, have fun, and have a comp that not very many people can touch (specs wise). And if I spend a little more in the process, so be it. I think all he was trying to say is that theres cheaper ways to build a comp. But if that was his point...there's a lot of ways on saving money while still overclocking. ie: cheaper mb, cd-rom instead of dvd, cheaper ram...etc.
Take what he said for what it is.
I do disagree with his reasons for not overclocking...
"with the utmost probability a system that will need a stronger
PSU than the one that came with your case = spending additional $$$."
I bought one anyways...just cause I want the best
"a system with possible stability problems"
Only if you push it too far. There are limits to overclocking and I believe most of us, once we hit the processors threshold, back off a little to improve stability. We overclock but mostly all of us want a stable overclock or else its not worth it.
"you'll loose the guarantee on the components"
Most of us here upgrade regularly and if our lifespan on a 10year processor goes down to 3-4 years...most of us will just upgrade instad of trying to RMA that thing. If you broke something when you just bought it...take it back and say...*cough cough* "I don't know what happened...I just put it in and it didn't work"
"you'll need more fans or you're overclocked rocket
will go up in smoke = spending additional $$$"
Nothing will go up in smoke...It just won't be stable under load...and that brings up overclocking but to the point of stability issue.
"you've got a system that will rival any small business
server in terms of noise"
Not if you use low noise fans...ie: panaflo
"maybe you'll have to modify or buy a new case that can handle
all the additional fans = additional $$$"
Your point being...
Nuff said,
Mark
Well we will prolly never see al1 again but this reminds me of anouther thread on anouther forum......all I have to say about that is "hampsters" those who know just laughed.
Just for fun and its early and I'm waiting for the coffee so lets review with my current experiances. I'll try to cover his by statement in order to cut back on the quotes.
1. 750@1030 saved 147$
2. Same 49$ CompUSA 300watt from my K6's
3. Very stable
4. Fans-18$ the rest were pulls from trash
5. I cant hear it at 25ft/12ft with TV on low volume(powered up it sounds like a Chrome Orb out of case)
6. Still same case ...I did cut a hole in it...or four.
Bottom Line
In the end MY overclocked system is...
Much cheaper
It will last way longer than I plan to keep it
Its louder but its not noisier
If your starting out to overclock you wont go retro purchase all these fans and PSU's you will buy the right stuff the first time. The real bottom line isnt about saving money its about the OC. I dont know about the rest of the folks out there. For me its about the problem solving,tinkering,inovation and the very tangeble feel of saticfaction. The extra bonus is here when you get to use what you have learned through your own follys to help others and be part of one of the craziest and most diverse communities on the net. OVERCLOCKERS!
Just for fun and its early and I'm waiting for the coffee so lets review with my current experiances. I'll try to cover his by statement in order to cut back on the quotes.
1. 750@1030 saved 147$
2. Same 49$ CompUSA 300watt from my K6's
3. Very stable
4. Fans-18$ the rest were pulls from trash
5. I cant hear it at 25ft/12ft with TV on low volume(powered up it sounds like a Chrome Orb out of case)
6. Still same case ...I did cut a hole in it...or four.
Bottom Line
In the end MY overclocked system is...
Much cheaper
It will last way longer than I plan to keep it
Its louder but its not noisier
If your starting out to overclock you wont go retro purchase all these fans and PSU's you will buy the right stuff the first time. The real bottom line isnt about saving money its about the OC. I dont know about the rest of the folks out there. For me its about the problem solving,tinkering,inovation and the very tangeble feel of saticfaction. The extra bonus is here when you get to use what you have learned through your own follys to help others and be part of one of the craziest and most diverse communities on the net. OVERCLOCKERS!
Overclocking can save money, but most do it for a hobby. Not all. Last april I got the safest overclocking chip I could get (CII 566) for my new rig. I have run it with stock cooling, one extra case fan, and no other mods since then. No crashes, no problems, no noise. At the time I saved over $200 compared to a PIII 700. Sure I cranked it up to 952 to see what it could do. But then I backed it down. Why? Because I was only looking to save Money. To keep it there I would need a better heatsink, more case fans, and run a better chance of instabilty.
Sure I'm a nerd, and it was pretty cool to see the boot screen pop up those first few times, but that was not why I did it.
Sure I'm a nerd, and it was pretty cool to see the boot screen pop up those first few times, but that was not why I did it.
I overclock because I can, its totally my choice and my decision. Overclockers are also very "money" conscious people and its totally unfair to say that we waste money on the "fun" aspect when tweaking a system. I'm pretty damn sure most of us are very up-to-date on CPU prices, motherboard prices, and which products are high quality.
The point is, most of us OCers aren't for the thrill of purchasing a stock system and leaving it as stock. Even if you were to give me a P4 1.5Ghz, I would still overclock the system just because I can.
The point is, most of us OCers aren't for the thrill of purchasing a stock system and leaving it as stock. Even if you were to give me a P4 1.5Ghz, I would still overclock the system just because I can.
I think al 1 brought a valid arguement to the table and has a valid point
Actually if I took into consideration all the extra time involved into getting my newly overclocked "cheapo" Duron 700Mhz into consideration at the same rate as I would get paid at work - I could have probably bought a PIV and Geforce 3 system..lol :frown:
But - for most of us out there, it's for the kick and the "free" extra Mhz....
Remember there is no such thing as a free lunch
Actually if I took into consideration all the extra time involved into getting my newly overclocked "cheapo" Duron 700Mhz into consideration at the same rate as I would get paid at work - I could have probably bought a PIV and Geforce 3 system..lol :frown:
But - for most of us out there, it's for the kick and the "free" extra Mhz....
Remember there is no such thing as a free lunch
i have a celly 366@550 and a celly2 566@850 with NO extra cooling except 2 global-win HSFs that cost me 20 bucks each. is that a waste of money? i think not! some of us here have priorities over our rigs and every dollar we save is important. besides , tweaking things till they scream is just plain fun
the arguments of the original posters are kind of dumb, i can only assume it's pure flame.
most people don't overclock past the capabilities of a particular line. overclocking a celeron633 to 950 is below the capabilities of the PIII core on 0.18 process, which goes to 1 or 1.13GHz. maybe you need 9 more watts to do this. wow!
overclocking a Tbird 1.2 is a bit different. but obviously, such people have decided they can bear the financial risk and probably even like the noise, no?
most people don't overclock past the capabilities of a particular line. overclocking a celeron633 to 950 is below the capabilities of the PIII core on 0.18 process, which goes to 1 or 1.13GHz. maybe you need 9 more watts to do this. wow!
overclocking a Tbird 1.2 is a bit different. but obviously, such people have decided they can bear the financial risk and probably even like the noise, no?
Damn, I wish I knew what you know when I bought my BX board and my Celeron 300A. I overpaid for a combination that outperformed the fastest PII at the time and it ran for two years until I retired it. Now it is home to a P3 900E running at 1008mhz. Yeh, I know this cost me more than buying a PII 450mhz in December of 98 and then replaceing the the motherboard processor and ram now. Golly, I sure am glad you pointed out how my money is being wasted.
A lot of people overclock without buying anything extra. I bought a Celeron 433 PPGA when a P3 500 Katmai was top of the line. I overclocked to just over 600MHz with nothing beyond what I would have used running at default clockspeed. So I effectively got a computer for less than 100$ than outperformed the then top of the line Pentium 3 that cost over 800$ at that time.
Sometimes overclocking really CAN save you huge amounts of money with little hassle.
I got a stable system for about 100$ that could outperform a processor that would have cost me over 800$, can anyone honestly say that I didnt save money that way?
I gained a huge performance boost foe absolutely no additional cost. Sure I may shorten the processor lifespan from 15years to 10years but there isnt a chance in hell I will be using that processor 10years after I purchased it.
Sometimes overclocking really CAN save you huge amounts of money with little hassle.
I got a stable system for about 100$ that could outperform a processor that would have cost me over 800$, can anyone honestly say that I didnt save money that way?
I gained a huge performance boost foe absolutely no additional cost. Sure I may shorten the processor lifespan from 15years to 10years but there isnt a chance in hell I will be using that processor 10years after I purchased it.
You guys went out of line. The outrage is so obvious in the posts. Who's sensitve?
Time is money too. I bought retail for the lack of hassle.
Tweaking for the extra framerate is understandable. But for benchmarks?
And running the CPU, agp, pci bus more than their recommended speed risks countering problems. It ends up putting the blame on software: Windows this, driver that...
Walking on tightrope.
Time is money too. I bought retail for the lack of hassle.
Tweaking for the extra framerate is understandable. But for benchmarks?
And running the CPU, agp, pci bus more than their recommended speed risks countering problems. It ends up putting the blame on software: Windows this, driver that...
Walking on tightrope.
Why are we feeding the trolls.....Call the oldest Billy Goat Gruff over and be done with it.
HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT..................
HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT..................
I overclock for the fun of overclocking, not to save money. I like to push my computer to the max, to get every last bit of performance I can out of it. And actually, some people dont overclock to save money at all. With AMD, the fastest chip available is 1200mhz. Many people buy this chip (the most expensive AMD of the bunch) and overclock it. They didnt buy the cheaper chip and bump it up to the more expensive chips standards, they went well beyond anything offered. And that definantly did not save money.
wow sorry al1, but you were asking for it with this thread. sometimes it does cost as much as buying a more expensive cpu, but that's not the real point of it. it's more because of the "sport". why do people change their own oil every 3 months when they can get it done for $15? Why do people spend all their time on these forums looking for deals, when they could made more than enough money to cover the difference at work during that same amount of time? People do these things themselves, mostly because they enjoy doing it.
better psu? i'd get one if i didn't oc for insurance that the system will be stable
more fans? i'd get them just to increase cpu life...or for the fun of it...oc or not
more money? well...i haven't spent much... about 25 for a new hsf...
950 @ 1.1ghz? how much did i save
cpu life...hmmm...i think my oc system will last me ... for about 2-5 years...if not a new cpu will be cheaper in a year or two...
sometimes it might cost more...but i dont know...
more fans? i'd get them just to increase cpu life...or for the fun of it...oc or not
more money? well...i haven't spent much... about 25 for a new hsf...
950 @ 1.1ghz? how much did i save
cpu life...hmmm...i think my oc system will last me ... for about 2-5 years...if not a new cpu will be cheaper in a year or two...
sometimes it might cost more...but i dont know...
<< What do you save on the CPU? Instead of buying a the fastest Intel or AMD, let's say you buy a 800/900 Mhz, no matter what make, and overclock it to 1.1 Ghz or whatever (supposed it works). What do you save? 80, 100 bucks?
Wow, now that's great.
What do you get?
>>
In my case, I saved quite a bit because I bought a 600 MHz Duron for around $70 last fall, and was able to overclock it to 850 MHz. An 800 MHz P3 at the time was selling for well over $200, so, I went with the Duron and got the same kind of performance.
To answer your other questions...
I'm using the same PSU and case that I bought 2 1/2 years ago. Stability just isn't an issue. The standard these days is at least a 300 watt PSU, so, don't expect to overclock grandma's $800 Compaq.
I didn't really care if I fried the Duron because it was cheap.
My case has one intake and one exhaust fan. My system temps are constant at idle, and rise 2-3 degrees at load. I'm not worried.
Noise? I'm using a very quiet Sunon 23cfm 60mm fan/Vantec heat sink. The case fans are just as quiet, and keep things cool.
<< At the end, your overclocked system will be
- much more expensive
- have a shorter lifespan
- louder and noisier >>
Wrong on all three counts. Not everyone has to go to the extreme to get more speed out of their system. I don't think many overclockers (if any) keep their CPU or motherboard for more than 2 years, so, the life of the CPU isn't an issue. This level of thinking just shows how naive you are. You need to read more.
ha ha, my case is HELLA huge, HELLA loud, and HELLA cool,... and all so i can get my 50% + outta my 550e he he... OCing is just plain fun, why leave it stock, when YOU KNOW it can go faster!!!
side note: to my knowledge, an intel OC'ed system, say a 700 @ 1 gig @~143 FSB would probably show lots of performance edge over a retail 1 gig @ 100 FSB...
side note: to my knowledge, an intel OC'ed system, say a 700 @ 1 gig @~143 FSB would probably show lots of performance edge over a retail 1 gig @ 100 FSB...
well i think it still save alot.... i bought a p3 700MHZ which can overclock to 1030 MHZ cost me about 270 cdn. Do you know how much a 1 ghz p3 cost? 460 + taxes ! comes to nearly 500 bucks.I need to buy a better heatsink which cost me 50 bucks and 2 case fan which cost me 13 bucks each plus taxes ofcourse... Well i think still cheaper then getting a p3 1GHZ. I dont have to change my ps. For a p3 250w ps is enough. Beside that i am running at least 145 fsb..which performe better then p3 1GHZ running 133 fsb. Doesnt it save alots ? i think so... well for amd i am not sure. But i think is nearly the same too. So overclocking is still the best way for me to get a better pc.....
Cost can be an issue if cooling is taken to an extreme. (Such as buying tons of fans, using a water cooled system, peltier etc.) However, it is also important to note that a great deal of $ can be saved if a cpu is overclocked, but then again their is never a guarnatee. For example, my Duron 600 that I purchased months ago runs at a maximum of 1050mhz but is perfectly stable at 1ghz. At that time there were and still are no Durons that ran at those speeds. And in most cases the Duron a 1gig is comparable to performance of a thunderbird in applications that I use.
The differece between a Duron and T bird is over 100.00.
I realize the chip I bought is exceptional. Since all I use to cool the chip is a used golden orb and an extra fan that I pulled from an old at powersupply. (total cost 12.00)
In short it is cheaper to overclock, but not all chips overclock to offset cost efectively. Mine paid out its dividens admirably and so did alot of others who have tried.
Sincerely,
Clocker
The differece between a Duron and T bird is over 100.00.
I realize the chip I bought is exceptional. Since all I use to cool the chip is a used golden orb and an extra fan that I pulled from an old at powersupply. (total cost 12.00)
In short it is cheaper to overclock, but not all chips overclock to offset cost efectively. Mine paid out its dividens admirably and so did alot of others who have tried.
Sincerely,
Clocker
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