Overclocking i7 860 Advice

ronbo613

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I would like to get a bit more performance out of the aging, but still worthy computer in my sig. I mostly do video and graphics production and hope to do a bit more PC gaming, moving away from a few years on the Xbox. Gaming is secondary, work come first so reliability is most important.

I would like to try and overclock the i7 860 CPU without decreasing the stability of the system, which is rock solid, never a problem. I've got an Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro CPU cooler, currently set on medium speed. According to Speccy, the average temp is 41°C. When rendering video, the CPU is working pretty hard, sometimes for a couple hours straight, so high temps will be a factor.

I think I tried a Gigabyte overclocking utility but wasn't satisfied with the results, maybe they have a newer version or there is some other utility I can try. I have no problems working with BIOS settings if that's the best way to go.

I would welcome any advice and input.
 

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Zorander

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I'm posting from mobile device so I can't refer to my notes. It's easy to achieve 3.3GHz. Simply raise BClk to around 157 and lower memory multiplier a notch (so that resultant memory speed does not exceed its rated max). At 3.8GHz mark, I raised BClk to around 180, disabled Turbo and lowered memory multiplier another notch.

Can't remember though if I used Auto or Offset mode for cpu voltage.

Have fun!
 

ronbo613

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Thanks for the input. I watched some of those YouTube videos. When I recovered from the coma I checked back here.

That hotkey setup sounds like a good idea. I'm planning to overclock in moderate increments so I can see how it works in everyday use. I have the Turbo Boost enabled, it only goes up to 2.9 Ghz if I'm not mistaken, so anything above that will be an improvement.
 

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No OC is ever stable. You run out of spec, things degrade. Eventually. There is no such thing as stability with an overclock, however mild.
 

VirtualLarry

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No OC is ever stable. You run out of spec, things degrade. Eventually. There is no such thing as stability with an overclock, however mild.

You know, until yesterday, I would have disagreed.

I have a pair of Q9300 rigs, that I've overclocked from 2.5Ghz to 3.0Ghz (333FSB to 400FSB) on a pair of P35-DS3R mobos.

Well, one of them, I had it two notches above stock voltage, and it started freezing (hard-lock, video stuck, mouse not moving). I've had it there for years, and no issues doing DC 24/7 on it. But PrimeGrid, and now F@H, seem to not like it, especially with my new 25W-rated GT630. I notched the voltage up another two notches. (To 1.25v)

The other identical rig, I think has been running at 1.28v all this time, and is still running correctly.

Originally, one of the two rigs (probably this one) would OC at stock volts, although there was one time running DC that it crashed, so I notched it up that first couple of notches.

My Q9300 CPU is essentially two E5200 CPUs glued together, and many E5200s will go from 2.5 to 3.0 on stock voltage, but not all.

I'm running F@H on the CPU + GPU, so I'll see in the next few days if I get any more freezes, but I'm hopeful.
 

ronbo613

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No OC is ever stable. You run out of spec, things degrade. Eventually. There is no such thing as stability with an overclock, however mild.

When you exceed specs, especially when you run more electricity through the component, you will shorten it's life. Stability depends on how far out of spec you go.

I'm not looking to see how high the overclock can go, I just want a little bit more processing power. I'll start by increasing the clock speed, then up the voltages a little at a time. If I don't see any real world improvements, I'll go back to stock.
 

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When you exceed specs, especially when you run more electricity through the component, you will shorten it's life. Stability depends on how far out of spec you go.

I'm not looking to see how high the overclock can go, I just want a little bit more processing power. I'll start by increasing the clock speed, then up the voltages a little at a time. If I don't see any real world improvements, I'll go back to stock.

Which -- sounds like a reasonable idea.

And ten years ago, I might have agreed entirely with Escrow4. I had come out of two careers in which it was absolutely essential that the hardware work properly and reliably. But I'd been tinkering with hardware since 1983.

So now I see my buddy Larry there, fretting over those Q9300's, and wondering himself. And VirtualLarry will remember my panic earlier this year about an intermittent instability that was difficult to replicate because of its infrequency, and difficult to assure that it was eliminated -- for the same reason. Everybody told me "It's your overclock settings! Your overclock settings, Bonzai! You've always been stingy with your voltages!"

But -- it wasn't. Nor -- had the chip degraded. Instead, the limited motherboard resources had been exceeded with "too much stuff" enabled in BIOS, like the extra HDD controllers (two) and the Asmedia USB3 feature.

What happens under this sort of scenario, where installed software, a driver or overly-ambitious hardware configuration may be the underlying cause: the user HIMSELF begins to suspect the overclocking. So you have to eliminate it as a factor while troubleshooting -- either to prove, or disprove it as a cause. This obviously complicates everything. You don't NEED the complications.

I think it's probably OK to overclock your system within reasonable voltage and thermal targets, which -- by themselves -- do not exceed specs and Intel (or AMD) expectations summarized in those specs. But like ol' Clint Eastwood said in a movie: "[A] man's gotta understand his limitations."

Next time I build a machine I intend to overclock, I'm going to determine what features I WANT TO USE, and those I don't NEED to use before I even get started. And thing is -- if you "add" something like a PCI-E card, you're going to want to validate the same settings you had before you put it in the box. IN FACT, I'd reset the system to stock before proceeding with even such a minor problem as that.

Now -- about Larry's Yorkfields. I began to worry about an E8600 system that I'd bumped up to 4.3 Ghz. I think the motherboard components were aging. The minute I realized I needed more voltage on the processor, I set it back to stock settings once and for all -- for all time. It's now no less stable than any of the most stable systems in the house.

As for the Nehalem in the OP. I think it's reasonable to expect a nominal overclock without raising the voltage much. At least find out what's left in the system with an older motherboard, keep a BIOS profile of the stock settings to which you can revert with the slightest sign of trouble. And do reliable stress tests before you pronounce it "stable."

And just an afterthought. There were two versions of Nehalem, and I'm not clear as to which the OP's belongs. If the processor is among those with a 32nm lithography, the "safe range" voltage limit was close to 1.38V. The thermal limit would be a few degrees higher than the TCASE spec -- likely to be in the low '70s C. The OP should be able to get some Mhz mileage from voltages under 1.30V, and lower temperatures than would require a top-end air-cooler -- or AiO cooler for that matter.

Coining my own Dirty Harry script-line, I like to think my own overclocking efforts as "being an outlaw within the law."
 
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ronbo613

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And just an afterthought. There were two versions of Nehalem, and I'm not clear as to which the OP's belongs. If the processor is among those with a 32nm lithography, the "safe range" voltage limit was close to 1.38V. The thermal limit would be a few degrees higher than the TCASE spec -- likely to be in the low '70s C. The OP should be able to get some Mhz mileage from voltages under 1.30V, and lower temperatures than would require a top-end air-cooler -- or AiO cooler for that matter.
The i7 860 and 870 are 45nm quad core Lynnfield with dual channel IMCs, basically an i5 Lynnfield with Hyperthreading. The i7 900 series are 45nm quad core Nehalem with triple channel IMCs. Lynnfields are LGA 1156, Nehalem is LGA 1366.

From what I understand, the i7 860 is a pretty sturdy processor and can go to 4.0Ghz, but I've got a couple things that I need to consider. First, my 9-9-9-24 RAM does not have much headroom. Second, since I do a lot of video rendering, I think that turning off Hyperthreading to get a higher overclock is shooting myself in the foot. I'm thinking about 3.2 Ghz while keeping max temp in the mid 80's is as much as I can hope for.
 

Burpo

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It should do that easily.. You'll notice the improved render speed ;)
 

VirtualLarry

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Now -- about Larry's Yorkfields. I began to worry about an E8600 system that I'd bumped up to 4.3 Ghz. I think the motherboard components were aging. The minute I realized I needed more voltage on the processor, I set it back to stock settings once and for all -- for all time. It's now no less stable than any of the most stable systems in the house.

That might be the ultimate solution, for that machine's "retirement" - setting the CPU back to stock.

If it still freezes, I'll attribute it to the refurb OCZ SSD in it as the primary drive.
 
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Zorander

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First, my 9-9-9-24 RAM does not have much headroom. Second, since I do a lot of video rendering, I think that turning off Hyperthreading to get a higher overclock is shooting myself in the foot. I'm thinking about 3.2 Ghz while keeping max temp in the mid 80's is as much as I can hope for.
As already said, you can go higher. I barely noticed much temperature increase at 3.3GHz. At 3.8Ghz, my max load temp was around 86C. I never turned off Hyperthreading. I don't know your cooler however; mine is a Megahalem paired with a 1200rpm Noctua.
 

ronbo613

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As already said, you can go higher. I barely noticed much temperature increase at 3.3GHz. At 3.8Ghz, my max load temp was around 86C. I never turned off Hyperthreading. I don't know your cooler however; mine is a Megahalem paired with a 1200rpm Noctua.
I plan to disable Turbo Boost but leave Hyperthreading and EIST(Speed Step) enabled. Strategy for overall performance is a bit different from max speed. I might go for a higher overclock this time of year, it's freezing. I can use the computer as a heater.