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overclocking for dummies? looking for noob guide/tutorial...

hudster

Senior member
since I couldn't seem to get much response to my questions in my previous thread, can anybody point me to a good page/site that gives an overview of overclocking? I'm looking for something that's directed to readers who haven't done any overclocking yet but are interested in learning how.

any good sites/pages? thanks.


-hudster

btw, i'm not really a dummy (well, at least I don't think I am! 😉 ). I'm a software engineer, and I build my own rigs at home, it's just that I've never ventured into doing any overclocking yet, and so I have little knowledge and no experience about overclocking specifically.
 
Tweak3D.net
This is as simple as I can recall... You should read through extensively before you even plan on overclocking... It's always possible you could do more harm then good...
 
I'm sure Tweak3d will have a lot of articles on overclocking but I'll attempt to give you some super basics on the subject.

Overclocking is running some component or a combination of components/busses on your computer outside of manufacturer specs. Basically you're pushing the speed limits of some aspect of your system. Every system has certain tolerances but it is always guaranteed to run at its rated speed. More often than not, the components can run faster than spec'd.

Generally, "easy" overclocking a computer involves changing one or two settings: The CPU clock multiplier, and the Front Side Bus (FSB) speed. CPU speeds (ie 1.53Ghz) are a function of the FSB. A 1.53Ghz (AMD AthlonXP 1800+) CPU runs at 133Mhz*11.5 or ~150Mhz*10. Overclocking of AMD processors currently involves either increasing the clock multiplier by unlocking the chip, or increasing the FSB, or a combination of the two (best option for most people).

If you want to overclock, spend a little extra money and buy good RAM. Buy RAM that's rated to run at CAS2 at 150Mhz or 166Mhz or even higher depending on what speed you're aiming for. Corsair is my favorite though Samsung, Mushkin, and Kingmax all make "overclockers'" RAM. One important thing to consider is that when you increase the FSB, you are also (there are now exceptions) increasing the AGP and PCI bus speeds since these are proportional to the FSB. The AGP is generally 1/2 or 2/3 * FSB while the PCI is generally 1/3 or 1/4 * FSB. When you increase the FSB you not only put stress on your CPU, but also on almost every other component in your system. You can only increase your FSB as much as your least tolerant AGP, PCI, RAM, CPU component can support. This is where the clock multiplier comes in to play for AMD systems.

Intel has clock locked their CPUs since the first Pentium 2s. AMD has the clock locked on most Athlons aside from MP cpus but, as you've probably read, it is trivial to unlock an AMD CPU. By increasing the clock multiplier and leaving your FSB alone you effectively speed up your CPU but leave everything else in your system in spec. This is convenient if you have a finicky PCI card but is not the optimal solution. You really want to increase your overall bus speed (especially your memory speed) since this will result in a much larger overall performance increase than just CPU Mhz alone.

Lowering the clock multiplier can also be beneficial. By lowering the multiplier you can go to very high FSB speeds without pushing your CPU too hard or you could be running an older 100Mhz Athlon CPU on a 133Mhz board. That's why I mentioned the 150Mhz FSB with the Athlon at the beginning. 🙂

For each aspect of your system, increasing the voltage to a certain component while overclocking can increase your stability up to a point. Many motherboards come with settings that allow you to increase the voltage going to the CPU, RAM, and AGP bus. When overclocking you obviously will be generating more heat. Your system will become less tolerant to temperature changes if you really stress your components. Efficient cooling is a must or just leaving the side of the case off works well too. 😉 A quality power supply is also important but don't go to the extremes that many people will probably recommend. A name brand 300-350W PSU is more than enough for most setups. I personally use a Powerman 300W PSU that came with an InWin full tower a few years ago on my XP1900+ system.

That should be a pretty accurate general intro to overclocking. The best way to overclock is to take things in baby steps and do stability testing each step of the way. Remove all non-essential components if you think one of them might cause problems. If you can change the CPU Multiplier increase it until the CPU becomes unstable. Then lower it way down and increase the FSB until your system is unstable. Then figure out the correct multiplier for the fastest FSB you attained and you should be in the ballpark of your max overclock. It can be tedious but I think it's pretty fun. 🙂

Gaidin
 
Good job Gaidin! It's nice to see knowlegable people take the time to help others with such complex questions. Hats off 2 U !

I too am about to embark on the o/c experience and need as much info as possible so I don't blow up my new system. I got the okay from my wife to rebuild a new system (she gets my current rig...1.7 P4/512 mb DDR/ECS P4S5A...piece of poop mobo). I'm going the same route as Thugrock...Asus P4B533/P4 1.6a/Memory undecided (Mushkin if I can find it in CDN). I'm not really interested in getting to CrAzY clocks like 170+ FSB (later on maybe) more realistic, around the 150 FSB range. I'm going to take it nice and slow and do lots of tests @ each o/c stage cause stability is #1 in my books. I've spend lots-o-hours reading on the subject and I think I have it mostly figured out exept...

When you increase the FSB the other components in the computer get stressed as well...I have a GF4 Ti 4400/Sound Blaster 5.1/D-Link Lan card...will these little boys take some damage @ this clock? Really concern about the GF4, cost me a mint up here in CDN! This is one area which is not really talked about much in the forums here and I'd like a little insight on the matter.

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Heh, I'm glad someone actually got some useful info from my post. 🙂

Typically an AGP card will run at 66Mhz. That's the spec though most any card today is very tolerant about being run at much higher bus speeds. If your system is running a 133Mhz FSB, the AGP bus should be running at 1/2 that speed at 66Mhz. For ever 2Mhz you add to the FSB, 1Mhz gets added to the AGP bus. When you are running at 150Mhz FSB, the AGP bus is running at 75Mhz. In general, you are much more likely to run into issues with PCI cards that crap out after certain bus speeds. Anand did an article a long time ago where he tested a bunch of video boards running at overclocked AGP speeds with various settings turned on and off. I can't seem to find it but it pretty much showed that newer cards at the time (GeForce 1 maybe?) ran at higher AGP speeds than older TNTs and other brand cards.

Now with PCI cards, you never can tell. That's why I feel it's best to remove all PCI cards when first overclocking. For me, I've had good luck with an old 3com 3c905b-tx 10/100 card, and an old Tekram SCSI card. Where I've had issues in overclocking is with my SBLive cards/drivers. I could overclock stably a bit higher without the sound card and the sound would get garbled and freeze up the machine after running games that made use of the 4 channel sound (windows and playing mp3s were fine).

As you overclock and find your highest CPU/FSB combination, add one PCI card back in at a time and do more stability testing. You will probably have to back off a few Mhz for certain cards but it's a small concession to having a bunch of useful PCI cards in the computer. 🙂

In general, most PCI cards will deal well with somewhere between 150-160Mhz FSB (37.5-40Mhz PCI). Some newer motherboards have a BIOS option that can lock the PCI and AGP bus speeds regardless of FSB. I'm sure that will become more and more popular soon.

The idea behind memory ratios and overclocking is this: With newer motherboards, especially the P4 ones, the memory can be run asynchronously from the FSB just like the AGP and PCI busses are. However, with the memory bus, some chipsets/boards allow you to set a ratio like 4:5 FSB:RAM so say you're running at 133Mhz FSB, then with a 4:5 ratio you are running your RAM at 166Mhz, or DDR333.

Gaidin
 
wow, gaidin123, thank you very much for the detailed info. that definitely helps a lot.

the other info/links that other people posted are quite helpful too...thank you all...this certainly gives me a good starting point now to begin attempting some o/cing.

thanks again.


-hudster
 
I can't believe anyone here failed to point out the obvious answer...

Check the left hand pane of the front page at overclockers.com for the beginner's guide to overclocking...

...and welcome to the addiction, bro!
 
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