Overclocked GT vs overclocked Pro

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The benches so many people have been waiting for.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=311039

This guy apparently has both cards, if someone wants to register there and ask for some new benches go ahead and do so.

x800pro 4.7cat whql
475/450- 10,229 -default
520/570- 11,313
540/580- 11,764-max
600/585- 12,226-Vmod

6800GT OC fw61.36 whql
370/500- 10,778- default
400/500- 11,359
410/550- 11,702- max

i'd have to say that the x800pro is a better OCer
seems as though this card doesn't OC too well. core maxes at 410.
OCing:
x800pro +65/+135 - alot more room to OC, even higher with Vmod
6800GT +60/+50 (default GT speed is 350)

ATI certainly seems to be using higher quality memory chips.

Also a Farcry bench comparison thread.
 

vshah

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nice, but a hardmodded card to a regular overclock......a little unfair. both look to have similar gains from OCing though.

-Vivan
 

Ackmed

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He did include the numbers before the vmod. So its the same both ways, if I understand correctly.
 

gururu

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this is a good post GG. I really don't think much of the 3dmark results, but the farcry site summary link was nice. I think many have already realized the x800 advantages in the game, but to see them all laid out is impressive.
 

DKlein

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Barely touched the memory on the GT... that's a pretty weak OC.

Sad day for my poor GT.... :(
 
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Barely touched the memory on the GT... that's a pretty weak OC.

Sad day for my poor GT....
I think you were lucky on your GT to get a nice memory overclock. 1.1 really seems to be the wall for these cards.


Also, if you all scroll down and read the thread I linked to there are Farcry and UT2k4 benches, among other games.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: DKlein
Barely touched the memory on the GT... that's a pretty weak OC.

Sad day for my poor GT.... :(


Yeah, that's pretty rough you only got a card that runs at the speeds they advertise it to run at. Same thing happened to me yesterday- I bought a 1lb steak and it only weighed a freaking lb! I expected at least1.2[/b]lbs, I read about some guys on the net who get bigger steaks than advertised....

:roll:
 

DKlein

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1.3lbs or .4 if you're lucky.

Maybe I was lucky. It's just that I'm never lucky so I never thought of that... maybe I should start?
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The benches so many people have been waiting for.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=311039

This guy apparently has both cards, if someone wants to register there and ask for some new benches go ahead and do so.

x800pro 4.7cat whql
475/450- 10,229 -default
520/570- 11,313
540/580- 11,764-max
600/585- 12,226-Vmod

6800GT OC fw61.36 whql
370/500- 10,778- default
400/500- 11,359
410/550- 11,702- max

i'd have to say that the x800pro is a better OCer
seems as though this card doesn't OC too well. core maxes at 410.
OCing:
x800pro +65/+135 - alot more room to OC, even higher with Vmod
6800GT +60/+50 (default GT speed is 350)

ATI certainly seems to be using higher quality memory chips.

Also a Farcry bench comparison thread.


using the latest beta drivers for the radeon but not the nvidia(the 61.80's seem to realyl like my card), radeon was hard modded(so the ram gets more voltage...thus a higher overclock) i i have the same card, my bfg 6800gt goes up to 430 before i get any instability and many other users get the same result such as at This review

not guite as bad as atifanboy.com(aka teamradeon.com) but the extra effort to make the radeon look better is there.
 

filmore crashcart

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Thanks for that link ShadOhawk, my BFG 6800 gt oc is coming in tomorrow and this has made the wait worth doing..... it's even made the risk of dealing with BB online a worthwhile venture.
 

kingmike

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Thanks to this benchmark I can now clearly tell everyone I know that ATI is much better this generation because of their superior memory and engineering :roll:
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK



using the latest beta drivers for the radeon but not the nvidia(the 61.80's seem to realyl like my card), radeon was hard modded(so the ram gets more voltage...thus a higher overclock) i i have the same card, my bfg 6800gt goes up to 430 before i get any instability and many other users get the same result such as at This review

not guite as bad as atifanboy.com(aka teamradeon.com) but the extra effort to make the radeon look better is there.

What are you talking about? The 4.7's are WHQL'd and on ATi's website. All of NV's drivers are beta.
 

AnnoyedGrunt

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How come that FarCry bench comparison thread only has one result for the X800Pro vs. 6800GT.

They link to many sites that review the X800XT vs. 6800U (such as Anandtech) but only show one link for the X800pro/6800GT comparo. If you look @ AT, the results for the 6800GT vs. X800Pro aren't nearly as conclusive as the single source they showed. In fact, according to AT's benchmarks, the 6800GT is much, much closer to the X800Pro (and often ahead) so I'd be interested in knowing more about the specific driver settings that created such a discrepancy (again I must question why sites rarely specifically mention what optimizations they may or may not have used).

One other interesting thing is that the ATI card performs very well with 16X AF, whereas the NV card takes a big hit. I saw the same thing on HardOCP, where ATI performs about the same with 8X AF or 16X AF. I don't know much about AF, but that similarity in performance makes me wonder whether those settings actually make a difference. In other words, if both cards were benched with 8X AF instead of 16X, how would that affect the results? Finally, does anyone know if NV will be able to improve their AF performance, or is the performance hit due to their implementation @ the hardware lavel (I seem to recall something about how NV was using the same parts of the chip for AF as they used for other effects, so the AF could cause a performance hit for that reason, although I might be getting it mixed up with something else).

Anyhow, thanks for the benches, the more info we have, the better we can choose the card that is best for us.

-D'oh!
 
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The GT only wins in Farcry in Nvidia's demos, which are the best case scenario where SM3 is used to the max.

One other interesting thing is that the ATI card performs very well with 16X AF, whereas the NV card takes a big hit.
ATI has some sort of designated unit for AF I believe that Nvidia does not. Hence it takes less performance hit, especially under the performance setting. There is no reason to run an ATI card without 16x performance AF at the least.
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK



using the latest beta drivers for the radeon but not the nvidia(the 61.80's seem to realyl like my card), radeon was hard modded(so the ram gets more voltage...thus a higher overclock) i i have the same card, my bfg 6800gt goes up to 430 before i get any instability and many other users get the same result such as at This review

not guite as bad as atifanboy.com(aka teamradeon.com) but the extra effort to make the radeon look better is there.

What are you talking about? The 4.7's are WHQL'd and on ATi's website. All of NV's drivers are beta.


yeah i just saw that, other than the beta status what exactly to does that have to do with the overall point?
 

jinu117

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Well, the guy forgot to do bios vmod for GT :) Or even hard voltmod. Now, one thing i noticed was that they both use same samsung GDDR... must be voltage limitation on memory for GT not to be able to go far or latency.
 

FluxCap

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This makes my decision tougher and makes me think that I will have to flip a coin to pick between ATI and Nvidia. Decisions are never easy.
 

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Originally posted by: FluxCap
This makes my decision tougher and makes me think that I will have to flip a coin to pick between ATI and Nvidia. Decisions are never easy.

You really can't go wrong with either at the moment. My gut instinct told me to go with the 6800GT.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt
How come that FarCry bench comparison thread only has one result for the X800Pro vs. 6800GT.

They link to many sites that review the X800XT vs. 6800U (such as Anandtech) but only show one link for the X800pro/6800GT comparo. If you look @ AT, the results for the 6800GT vs. X800Pro aren't nearly as conclusive as the single source they showed. In fact, according to AT's benchmarks, the 6800GT is much, much closer to the X800Pro (and often ahead) so I'd be interested in knowing more about the specific driver settings that created such a discrepancy (again I must question why sites rarely specifically mention what optimizations they may or may not have used).

One other interesting thing is that the ATI card performs very well with 16X AF, whereas the NV card takes a big hit. I saw the same thing on HardOCP, where ATI performs about the same with 8X AF or 16X AF. I don't know much about AF, but that similarity in performance makes me wonder whether those settings actually make a difference. In other words, if both cards were benched with 8X AF instead of 16X, how would that affect the results? Finally, does anyone know if NV will be able to improve their AF performance, or is the performance hit due to their implementation @ the hardware lavel (I seem to recall something about how NV was using the same parts of the chip for AF as they used for other effects, so the AF could cause a performance hit for that reason, although I might be getting it mixed up with something else).

Anyhow, thanks for the benches, the more info we have, the better we can choose the card that is best for us.

-D'oh!

The AF on Nvidias card is being discussed in another thread. :)

I agree, but i think Anandtech was using the catalyst 4.6's which are very slow in comparison with the 4.5's and 4.7's.

-Kevin
 

JBT

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I just got my GT yesturday. I get 22000 stock in 3dmark01. I get 11100 stock in 3dmark03 and I get 12500 OCed to 424/1140. not bad it plays UT04 AMAZINGLY and Far Cry ain't to bad either ;) I didn't bother to bench them I just had fun playing them hehe.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: DKlein
Barely touched the memory on the GT... that's a pretty weak OC.

Sad day for my poor GT.... :(


Yeah, that's pretty rough you only got a card that runs at the speeds they advertise it to run at. Same thing happened to me yesterday- I bought a 1lb steak and it only weighed a freaking lb! I expected at least1.2[/b]lbs, I read about some guys on the net who get bigger steaks than advertised....

:roll:

You have issues, Rollo; seek help :p.

If this was reversed, you'd be singing the praises of Nvidia's well designed core and headroom, and ATI's putrid design and lack of overclockablity.