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Overclocked 805 vs. Overclocked x2 3800+

Power and heat issues still give AMD a big advantage IMO. Of course I would love to see cheaper X2's too though 🙂.
 
Considering the temps I get getting even with water cooling, I doubt that 3.9ghz is going to be an easily obtained OC on air cooling in most cases. My 805 hits 57c load @3.7ghz water cooled.
 
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Considering the temps I get getting even with water cooling, I doubt that 3.9ghz is going to be an easily obtained OC on air cooling in most cases. My 805 hits 57c load @3.7ghz water cooled.
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If you are using one a Coolermaster Auqagate Mini, I can understand getting a high temperature like that. What kind of water cooling setup is that you are using?
 
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Considering the temps I get getting even with water cooling, I doubt that 3.9ghz is going to be an easily obtained OC on air cooling in most cases. My 805 hits 57c load @3.7ghz water cooled.
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If you are using one a Coolermaster Auqagate Mini, I can understand getting a high temperature like that. What kind of water cooling setup is that you are using?
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Using thermaltake bigwater pump and radiator, with a swiftech waterblock with my 805, and using a swiftech water cooling setup with my Presler.
 
They didn't exactly try to keep the platforms the same. They didn't bench games because one of the machines had a 7800 and one had a 1300.

The first thing they teach you in science class is to keep as many of the variables the same.
 
If only they would lower the x2 3800 to $199 just to make it a fair deal. Otherwise it's just not worth 2.2 times the cost.
 
its not really that they should make an X2 3800+ $199. It's a great value for the price, and it costs no more than a single core 3800+. It's really that they need to come up with an X2 3600/3400 at 1.6GHz, or an opteron 160 at 1.6GHz. Unfortunately, its hard to come out with a chip that slow when most X2 and opteron dies can do 2.6GHz or higher, and they arent cheap to make. I think once conroe comes out, AMD is gonna lower its prices quite a bit so that it is competitive on a price/performance scale, if it can't come out with anything to match the top-of-the-line conroes.
 
Originally posted by: gobucks
its not really that they should make an X2 3800+ $199. It's a great value for the price, and it costs no more than a single core 3800+. It's really that they need to come up with an X2 3600/3400 at 1.6GHz, or an opteron 160 at 1.6GHz. Unfortunately, its hard to come out with a chip that slow when most X2 and opteron dies can do 2.6GHz or higher, and they arent cheap to make. I think once conroe comes out, AMD is gonna lower its prices quite a bit so that it is competitive on a price/performance scale, if it can't come out with anything to match the top-of-the-line conroes.
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If you plan on building a budget machine, your best bet would be to start with the Pentium D 805 and then select the rest of your components.
 
The X2s are a superior design product. They are a native dual core solution vs Intel's hack job, so naturally, AMD will keep a higher price until Intel has something worthwhile to compete against.

Another thing to remember too, is that Intel has seen a big loss in the past few quarters in the desktop retail market space. Go to Best Buy, CompUSA, MicroCenter, etc and count the number of desktop carrying an X2 vs a PD. Intel has to move its volume of parts out of its locations, so a price drop is the way to move the parts. The bad thing is that it hits its revenue due to the decrease in markup.

So if you want a true dual core processor, then any of the X2s will fit the bill. If you want to give Intel money for having to "throw" something together to stay in the running, well, that's your choice.
 
Originally posted by: primer
The X2s are a superior design product. They are a native dual core solution vs Intel's hack job, so naturally, AMD will keep a higher price until Intel has something worthwhile to compete against.

Another thing to remember too, is that Intel has seen a big loss in the past few quarters in the desktop retail market space. Go to Best Buy, CompUSA, MicroCenter, etc and count the number of desktop carrying an X2 vs a PD. Intel has to move its volume of parts out of its locations, so a price drop is the way to move the parts. The bad thing is that it hits its revenue due to the decrease in markup.

So if you want a true dual core processor, then any of the X2s will fit the bill. If you want to give Intel money for having to "throw" something together to stay in the running, well, that's your choice.
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I would love a x2 they are nice but at the sky high price it's just to rich for me. I wonder if AMD will lower there prices when Conroe comes and starts making noise.

 
AMD will probably be forced to lower prices when Conroe launches unless there are significant supply/yield issues with Conroe.
 
There is something thats not pointed out though.

How much would a good overclocking system for each one compare? Compare the power supplies you'd need, as well as motherboards, and RAM (I can't recall, but can Intel chips run buses asynchronously?), as well as cooling.

To me it sounds like they compared a very nice overclocking 805 to a not so good overclocking 3800+. The temps on the X2 seem high. Even with an Zalman 7000 AlCu with a poor job of putting on thermal paste in an X-QPack and I've never seen the chip go past 50C, even at 2.5Ghz. They have a much better HSF and it runs quite a bit hotter? The 805 would require a very nice heatsink for a good overclock, whereas I'd say a considerable amount of X2s could hit 2.5 with the stock one.

While it is luck of the draw, I'd guess you'd be much more likely to get an X2 to 2.6-2.8Ghz than an 805 to 3.9Ghz.

And yes, they should've done a much better job of doing a comparison. They make a note about the heatsinks, trying to say they're equal in performance. The only way to give a fair/valid comparison would be to use the same heatsink on both CPUs.

The 805 is a heck of a chip for the price, thats for sure.
 
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