Overclockability of C2D chips

[Rubycon]

With E6600's getting over 3GHz stock voltage and cooling and many going over the 3.6G mark with a goose on the VCORE why hasn't Intel released faster chips?

This reminds me of 1998 when you could buy a Celly 300A and hit 450 (a GIVEN) and many were hitting 504 with the goose. A $190 CPU that smoked a $700 CPU. (The PII 450).

 

[hardwareking]

Intel didn't release faster core 2 chips casue it didn't need to.All the conroe chips are made on the same production line each with a target speed of core 2 extreme.(or some other speed and aint sure if allendale chips are on the same line)Chips that don't reach the specified speeds are made into lower speed chips.Like the ones which didn't make the cut for the X6800 will be made into an E6600.
Intel could prolly do it if they wanted.But why bother.Although they are releasing faster FSB versions of the core chips next year.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

With the performance crown securely in hand, no need to widen the gap. Particularly if it means chipping away at the superior *to AMD* power&heat output profiles that go with it.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
With E6600's getting over 3GHz stock voltage and cooling and many going over the 3.6G mark with a goose on the VCORE why hasn't Intel released faster chips?

This reminds me of 1998 when you could buy a Celly 300A and hit 450 (a GIVEN) and many were hitting 504 with the goose. A $190 CPU that smoked a $700 CPU. (The PII 450).

Because that gives higher yields and allows for cheap refresh later on. Also it hurts the performance per watt. So until 45 nm we will not see 3.3 GHz plus chips for that reason.

 

[RichUK]

What is goose?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: RichUK
What is goose?

tr.v. Slang., goosed, goos·ing, goos·es.
To poke, prod, or pinch (a person) between or on the buttocks.
To move to action; spur: goosed the governor to sign the tax bill.
To give a spurt of fuel to (a car, for example); cause to accelerate quickly. ?The pilot goosed his craft, powering away?

We yanks are butchering the Queen's english

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
We yanks are butchering the Queen's english

"Two nations divided by a common language."

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
With the performance crown securely in hand, no need to widen the gap. Particularly if it means chipping away at the superior *to AMD* power&heat output profiles that go with it.

Nothing wrong with pouring salt in old wounds, eh?

AMD slapped INtel around long enough - you'd think they would want to twist the splinter they jammed in their hands.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
With E6600's getting over 3GHz stock voltage and cooling and many going over the 3.6G mark with a goose on the VCORE why hasn't Intel released faster chips?

This reminds me of 1998 when you could buy a Celly 300A and hit 450 (a GIVEN) and many were hitting 504 with the goose. A $190 CPU that smoked a $700 CPU. (The PII 450).

I know what you mean. If this new line of cpu was put out by any other company they would have binned the chips to the point that a 50% overclock would be impossible using ordinary and inexpensive techniques.

Whether you are a fanboy or not, it's truly a testament to the impressive manufacturing abilities of Intel if nothing else. Thank God for the competition because an AMD X2-3800 would still be nearly $300 if it weren't for Intel.

I'm having a lot of fun with my E6400. I am enjoying playing with it like I did with my Pentium2-300(overclocked it to 504) and my Celeron 566(overclocked it to 850). I can't wait to get a better mobo and RAM and really see what my new chip can do.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
With the performance crown securely in hand, no need to widen the gap. Particularly if it means chipping away at the superior *to AMD* power&heat output profiles that go with it.

Nothing wrong with pouring salt in old wounds, eh?

AMD slapped INtel around long enough - you'd think they would want to twist the splinter they jammed in their hands.

As Cooler observed more concisely than I did, the performance per watt is a big F'in deal. AMD made great strides in the enterprise market, and the performance per watt is just what Intc needs to start regaining lost ground.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

As Cooler observed more concisely than I did, the performance per watt is a big F'in deal. AMD made great strides in the enterprise market, and the performance per watt is just what Intc needs to start regaining lost ground.

The EE product was never considered for the enterprise - it's an enthusiast product. They could easily have an 4 GHz EE version. :Q The hardcore enthusiast have no concern for expense especially a few extra kWh on their power bills. Look at what they pay for those chips! I have an FX60 so I'm guilty as charged.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

As Cooler observed more concisely than I did, the performance per watt is a big F'in deal. AMD made great strides in the enterprise market, and the performance per watt is just what Intc needs to start regaining lost ground.

The EE product was never considered for the enterprise - it's an enthusiast product. They could easily have an 4 GHz EE version. :Q The hardcore enthusiast have no concern for expense especially a few extra kWh on their power bills. Look at what they pay for those chips! I have an FX60 so I'm guilty as charged.

I see where you are coming from now. I don't even pretend to understand their marketing and sales tactics much of the time. I personally think less "enthusiasts" would buy them though, if they couldn't get a good overclock from them because they were so highly stock clocked. I am probably way off on this, but being able to have a system that is faster than anything their neighbor can go out and buy at the local superstore, is part of the bragging rights thing, isn't it? Full multi manipulation, bigger caches, best cherry picked, are part of the attraction aren't they?

 

[AndrewL]

I think the main reason, like cooler said is an easy refresh later on. In fact they can have refreshes in both their server market and desktop market.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: AndrewL
I think the main reason, like cooler said is an easy refresh later on. In fact they can have refreshes in both their server market and desktop market.

From an o/c viewpoint if the 4G future processors can do 6G that's golden. Probably not going to happen but we can dream with no harm done.