Outsourcing of American jobs.......

dullard

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Trade is a two way street. Some people are hurt and many others benefit. The net result is that trade is better OVERALL for both countries who do the trading. Of course if you only focus on the people who are hurt and ignore the benefits then yes trade looks horrible.

Think of it this way. I go into stores. Almost everytime I leave with less money! What a tragedy! Stores are horrible, evil things making me lose my money. Oh wait, I forgot I got things in return...
 

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The net result is that trade is better OVERALL for both countries who do the trading. Of course if you only focus on the people who are hurt and ignore the benefits then yes trade looks horrible.
It's "more better" for the country that sucks balls in the first place though :) Look at Mexico. If we opened the borders up entirely Mexico would be better off, while the US would become more like mexico!
 

Ameesh

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if you order a children?s book online from Border?s that your order is processed and filled by employees working for Amazon.com in India or the Philippines?

thats a lie. i wonder how much the rest of the site is a lie.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
The net result is that trade is better OVERALL for both countries who do the trading. Of course if you only focus on the people who are hurt and ignore the benefits then yes trade looks horrible.
It's "more better" for the country that sucks balls in the first place though :) Look at Mexico. If we opened the borders up entirely Mexico would be better off, while the US would become more like mexico!
I've never seen any proof that trade only benefits one party in the trade. If the trade doesn't benefit you, then you just say no and walk away finding another trade. Thus unless you are forced at gunpoint (or similar reason), all trades benefit both parties. The US would be helped and Mexico would be helped. The benefits will be in different ways of course but they would still be there.

Think about that trade betwen US and Canada not too long back. Canada finally got rid of those pesky Skoorbs - what a great benefit. And the US, um, we got something. Let me think. We must have benefitted somehow. Oh yes, cats dressed up in clothing.
 

GrumpyMan

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I don't know how much of that site is a lie. The reason it I mention it is because ABC news had a big report on this today and I Googled the list. I personally would rather buy from a company that does not outsource any jobs overseas if at all possible.
 

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Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Does any one else have a problem with all these companies moving alot of American jobs overseas?
Goodbye jobs.

YESSS I DOOOOO... SOOOO Vote John Kerry for Presidnet.

Worthless ass President Bush could care less about the companies moving overseas
 

LAUST

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What cracks me up is with all these companies going over seas who do they expect to have the money to buy their products over here?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: jmoe782
Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Does any one else have a problem with all these companies moving alot of American jobs overseas?
Goodbye jobs.

YESSS I DOOOOO... SOOOO Vote John Kerry for Presidnet.

Worthless ass President Bush could care less about the companies moving overseas

If it was just happening on bush's term i would agree...
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Does any one else have a problem with all these companies moving alot of American jobs overseas?
Goodbye jobs.

Heh, that site lists Jaguar as a company that is "Offshoring" umm....isn't the whole damn company offshore?
 

GrumpyMan

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Yeah Jaguar was always offshore as far as I'm concerned. Levi Straus is one that I would of never believed to go overseas. I mean they got started in the 1800's I do believe in CA.
 

Ronstang

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Sorry guys but the biggest problem is everyone's assumption that somehow these jobs BELONG to Americans.......reality check, THEY DON"T. If you are going to pursue a career that is in a sector of business that is usually considered a COST center rather than a REVENUE center then you need to stop complaining that the jobs are going where the costs are LOWER. If most here had a business degree rather than a CS degree maybe there wouldn't be so much discussion on this topic.

Instead of sitting around complaining and watching the jobs leave maybe you should take the time to acquaint yourself with global market trends and make better decisions about career paths. Just because you want to work in some kind of an IT job doesn't mean the job is going to be there for you so you have two choices, you can either move to where the jobs are, or get the schooling/training to get a job where you are. Stop blaming businesses for doing what they HAVE to do to stay competitive.
 

GrumpyMan

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sorry guys but the biggest problem is everyone's assumption that somehow these jobs BELONG to Americans.......reality check, THEY DON"T. If you are going to pursue a career that is in a sector of business that is usually considered a COST center rather than a REVENUE center then you need to stop complaining that the jobs are going where the costs are LOWER. If most here had a business degree rather than a CS degree maybe there wouldn't be so much discussion on this topic.

Instead of sitting around complaining and watching the jobs leave maybe you should take the time to acquaint yourself with global market trends and make better decisions about career paths. Just because you want to work in some kind of an IT job doesn't mean the job is going to be there for you so you have two choices, you can either move to where the jobs are, or get the schooling/training to get a job where you are. Stop blaming businesses for doing what they HAVE to do to stay competitive.


Yes I agree with what you state here but I'm sure to the single mom with 2 kids that just lost her customer service job in Missouri or where ever she may be at, it doesn't matter to her what the global marketing trends are.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sorry guys but the biggest problem is everyone's assumption that somehow these jobs BELONG to Americans.......reality check, THEY DON"T. If you are going to pursue a career that is in a sector of business that is usually considered a COST center rather than a REVENUE center then you need to stop complaining that the jobs are going where the costs are LOWER. If most here had a business degree rather than a CS degree maybe there wouldn't be so much discussion on this topic.

Instead of sitting around complaining and watching the jobs leave maybe you should take the time to acquaint yourself with global market trends and make better decisions about career paths. Just because you want to work in some kind of an IT job doesn't mean the job is going to be there for you so you have two choices, you can either move to where the jobs are, or get the schooling/training to get a job where you are. Stop blaming businesses for doing what they HAVE to do to stay competitive.


Yes I agree with what you state here but I'm sure to the single mom with 2 kids that just lost her customer service job in Missouri or where ever she may be at, it doesn't matter to her what the global marketing trends are.
And the fact that I agree with what you say does not change the realities to all parties either. It is time for people to pull their heads out of the sand and realize the tremendous changes the business world is going through. I understand and sympathize with all that are losing their jobs to cheap overseas labor but I cannot say that I am surprised or that I disagree with a company's choice to do so. In some cases this is going to bite them in the ass and in others it will be a great choice but only time will tell.

 

sadb0i

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Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sorry guys but the biggest problem is everyone's assumption that somehow these jobs BELONG to Americans.......reality check, THEY DON"T. If you are going to pursue a career that is in a sector of business that is usually considered a COST center rather than a REVENUE center then you need to stop complaining that the jobs are going where the costs are LOWER. If most here had a business degree rather than a CS degree maybe there wouldn't be so much discussion on this topic.

Instead of sitting around complaining and watching the jobs leave maybe you should take the time to acquaint yourself with global market trends and make better decisions about career paths. Just because you want to work in some kind of an IT job doesn't mean the job is going to be there for you so you have two choices, you can either move to where the jobs are, or get the schooling/training to get a job where you are. Stop blaming businesses for doing what they HAVE to do to stay competitive.


Yes I agree with what you state here but I'm sure to the single mom with 2 kids that just lost her customer service job in Missouri or where ever she may be at, it doesn't matter to her what the global marketing trends are.



WORD!
 

GrumpyMan

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Sorry guys but the biggest problem is everyone's assumption that somehow these jobs BELONG to Americans.......reality check, THEY DON"T. If you are going to pursue a career that is in a sector of business that is usually considered a COST center rather than a REVENUE center then you need to stop complaining that the jobs are going where the costs are LOWER. If most here had a business degree rather than a CS degree maybe there wouldn't be so much discussion on this topic.

Instead of sitting around complaining and watching the jobs leave maybe you should take the time to acquaint yourself with global market trends and make better decisions about career paths. Just because you want to work in some kind of an IT job doesn't mean the job is going to be there for you so you have two choices, you can either move to where the jobs are, or get the schooling/training to get a job where you are. Stop blaming businesses for doing what they HAVE to do to stay competitive.


Yes I agree with what you state here but I'm sure to the single mom with 2 kids that just lost her customer service job in Missouri or where ever she may be at, it doesn't matter to her what the global marketing trends are.
And the fact that I agree with what you say does not change the realities to all parties either. It is time for people to pull their heads out of the sand and realize the tremendous changes the business world is going through. I understand and sympathize with all that are losing their jobs to cheap overseas labor but I cannot say that I am surprised or that I disagree with a company's choice to do so. In some cases this is going to bite them in the ass and in others it will be a great choice but only time will tell.


Agreed, I think that the bottom line, "profit", is well, the bottom line for all companies. I do think that there will be certain amount of back lash if this trend continues however. As you say, time will tell. I will however give my future business to companies who try to hack it out here in the states and will keep a close eye on this growing list of companies who outsource.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Uhuh. So globalization is such a godsend, until the decent paying jobs start going away.
Noone said it was a gosend but it is a reality that needs to be recognized and addressed if businesses want to survive into the future. The sad thing is that 10-12 years ago "globalization" was the buzzword but most companies/business sectors never really devised solid strategies to cope with the buzzword becoming reality. If you have talent and can add to a companies bottom line then there will be good jobs for you but if yuo simply want a place to hang out for 8 hours a day and collect a paycheck then you might just be out of luck.....those days are long gone.