Outrage in Stanford Rape Case Over Light Sentence for Attacker and Stmt by His Father

[buckshot24]

The biggest punishment here is that he has to register a sex offender for the rest of his life. That is pretty stiff and more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[SheHateMe]

I read them. That's how I know he stayed zipped up.

Good thing it doesn't matter if you don't think its rape. He was convicted of three felonies. Fuck him and his shitty family. I hope he has the worst life now that he's on the sex offender registry. I hope he never eats another steak. Boohoo.

Glad you got that moral outrage off your chest? Maybe he didn't know those facts?

He could have easily read up on it. Never stopped him before on other topics. Rape/sexual assault comes up and suddenly he's retarded?

There are different degrees of everything. Personally, I think raping a blackout drunk girl is much less severe rape that saying, breaking into her house armed, tying up her husband and kids forcing them to watch, while he violently rapes her repeated while holding her at knife/gun point.

Kind of like robbing someone by saying "Give me your money" vs pulling a gun on them and then pistol wiping them to take their money.

Six degrees of sexual assault, huh... I'm sure an actual rape victim would be interested in hearing your opinion on whether their rape was less "severe" than someone another person's rape. And No....being raped is NOT like someone robbing you and saying "Give me your money". WTF are you talking about? Clearly, you have never been affected by it.

 

[Paratus]

Even though he was caught in the act? Even though charged, tried and found guilty of said crime?

btw, read her court victim statement. It might do you some good.

Wow.


What the fuck? He was caught humping her unconscious body behind a dumpster by two other students and took off running when they confronted him....but you will refrain from calling it rape? She had abrasions and dirt in her vagina. He had digitally penetrated her in both her vagina and anus before he did the deed. He claims he thought it was okay because she let him dance with him and she touched his shoulder.

Fuck you, dude. Maybe you should read the 13 page statement from the victim since you need clarification on what rape is.

But hey there's no rape culture. And besides he totally lost his swimming scholarship, that's like super harsh. He'll probably even serve at least 3 months of his sentence. 🙄

 

[buckshot24]

He could have easily read up on it.

He was asking for non-emotional sources. I don't think he deserved the invective you gave him. That's just me though.

 

[SheHateMe]

He was asking for non-emotional sources. I don't think he deserved the invective you gave him. That's just me though.

Those were available...unless of course, he dismissed the statement of the victim as being too emotional for him to believe. That's par for the course of victim blaming. Also par for the course of this forum (search for the Steubenville rape thread)

Maybe he should send the kid some flowers and an Omaha Steak.

 

[Zorba]

Six degrees of sexual assault, huh... I'm sure an actual rape victim would be interested in hearing your opinion on whether their rape was less "severe" than someone another person's rape. And No....being raped is NOT like someone robbing you and saying "Give me your money". WTF are you talking about? Clearly, you have never been affected by it.

So you think a girl giving consent at a 0.09 blood level is the same as being brutally raped while her family watches? Yeah, do tell a women that has been brutally raped that. Both are rape, but on massively different scales.

I never said a rape was like being non-violently robbed, I said there are different levels of rape just like there are different levels of robbery. So much so, the law even has different levels of rape and allows judged to sentence based on the facts of each case.

 

[buckshot24]

Those were available...unless of course, he dismissed the statement of the victim as being too emotional for him to believe. That's par for the course of victim blaming.

Maybe he should send the kid some flowers and an Omaha Steak.

We'll see.

Curious, what do you think of the rape allegations of Juanita Broaddrick against Bill Clinton?

 

[SheHateMe]

So you think a girl giving consent at a 0.09 blood level is the same as being brutally raped while her family watches?

Jesus Christ..... how do you give consent when you are unconscious? .09 is over the legal limit for driving in most places. This girl was so drunk that she did not wake up for several hours so her BAC must have been higher.

So, how could she consent? And why the fuck are you even putting rape on a scale as if its some measurable trauma? It's not.

I never said a rape was like being non-violently robbed, I said there are different levels of rape just like there are different levels of robbery. So much so, the law even has different levels of rape and allows judged to sentence based on the facts of each case.

You're dumb. This kid was facing at least 2 years in Prison but the Judge gave him an unusual sentence because he's just a boy, he didn't do nothing...plus hes a good kid and loves swimming and eating Ribeyes.

She only got a few cuts and bruises and some dirt in her vagina. She should walk it off.


If this kid wasn't some rich piece of shit, he would be on his way to Prison right now.

 

[SheHateMe]

We'll see.

Curious, what do you think of the rape allegations of Juanita Broaddrick against Bill Clinton?

You're asking me about something that was reported when I was 9 years old and never heard about. The alleged rape took place in 1978, I DEFINITELY was not here. :hmm:

 

[Zorba]

Those were available...unless of course, he dismissed the statement of the victim as being too emotional for him to believe. That's par for the course of victim blaming. Also par for the course of this forum (search for the Steubenville rape thread)

Maybe he should send the kid some flowers and an Omaha Steak.

And this is why P&N can't have nice things. Ask for facts, get derided. A victim statement at sentencing is basically always going to be emotional and may or may not be factual. Considering this victim can't remember her assault, I doubt reading her statement would provide a complete understanding of the facts.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

there are some sick, damaged fucks in this place, if they actually believe any of the horseshit they're saying. Her BAC level is irrelevant, this kid is getting off incredibly light. And boo-fucking-hoo, he's gonna be labeled as a sex offender, he owns that as he sexually assaulted someone.
Whereas the woman will have to cope with being sexually assaulted for the rest of her life. And that was not by her choice.

 

[buckshot24]

You're asking me about something that happened when I was 9 years old and never heard about. :hmm:

Probably younger than that, this happened in 1978. Her story is readily available.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

"Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him ‘No,’ that I didn’t want this to happen but he wouldn’t listen to me. … It was a real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to ‘Please stop.’ And that’s when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says ‘You better get some ice on that.’ And he turned and went out the door.”"

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We'll see.

Curious, what do you think of the rape allegations of Juanita Broaddrick against Bill Clinton?

what the fuck does this have to do with the original topic, oh I know, nothing, but a chance to bring up the clintons in an unfavorable light, you pathetic hack.
Don't ever call anyone a hack again, as you are the definition of a hack by this post alone.

 

[buckshot24]

there are some sick, damaged fucks in this place, if they actually believe any of the horseshit they're saying. Her BAC level is irrelevant, this kid is getting off incredibly light. And boo-fucking-hoo, he's gonna be labeled as a sex offender, he owns that as he sexually assaulted someone.
Whereas the woman will have to cope with being sexually assaulted for the rest of her life. And that was not by her choice.

Oh yeah, he appears to deserve the sex offender label.

 

[Zorba]

Jesus Christ..... how do you give consent when you are unconscious? .09 is over the legal limit for driving in most places. This girl was so drunk that she did not wake up for several hours so her BAC must have been higher.

So, how could she consent? And why the fuck are you even putting rape on a scale as if its some measurable trauma? It's not.

You said there is no scale to rape, so I was using the two extremes of the rape scale to illustrate there is indeed a scale of badness. You completely dodged, this of course, because it doesn't agree with your world view.

You're dumb. This kid was facing at least 2 years in Prison but the Judge gave him an unusual sentence because he's just a boy, he didn't do nothing...plus hes a good kid and loves swimming.


If this kid wasn't some rich piece of shit, he would be on his way to Prison right now.

I am now dumb for stating that the laws of this country allow judges to determine sentencing based on the severity of the crime and the facts of the case? I am dumb for stating that the law recognizes different degrees of rape, when you claim that all rapes are the same?

I don't know the facts of this specific case, but it does seem like a pretty light punishment, but like I said the judge is allowed to determine sentence based on the individual case. Now go campaign for death for all "rapist" including boy that "rape" their consenting girlfriend at 0.09.

 

[SheHateMe]

And this is why P&N can't have nice things. Ask for facts, get derided. A victim statement at sentencing is basically always going to be emotional and may or may not be factual. Considering this victim can't remember her assault, I doubt reading her statement would provide a complete understanding of the facts.

Her statement gave details about what the medical staff found that was done to her body.

Also gave statements about what the defendant's side of the story was.


Did you read her statement? If not, stop commenting and fucking read it.

You said there is no scale to rape, so I was using the two extremes of the rape scale to illustrate there is indeed a scale of badness. You completely dodged, this of course, because it doesn't agree with your world view.

Yes, I am so detached from reality because I said your rape scale is bullshit. LOL

I am now dumb for stating that the laws of this country allow judges to determine sentencing based on the severity of the crime and the facts of the case? I am dumb for stating that the law recognizes different degrees of rape, when you claim that all rapes are the same?

His crimes carried a minimum sentence (hint...it wasn't 6 months with probation). The judge decided to put his own twist on justice to give the boy mercy because he's too soft and delicate for prison. They don't have steaks and swimming pools there.

I don't know the facts of this specific case, but it does seem like a pretty light punishment, but like I said the judge is allowed to determine sentence based on the individual case. Now go campaign for death for all "rapist" including boy that "rape" their consenting girlfriend at 0.09.

If you don't know the facts, why are you acting like you do? How do you know if her BAC was .09? you made that number up. The fact that you put the word rape in quotations tells me that you're an idiot. This woman was sexually assaulted. It doesn't fucking matter what you think about it. Yes, you are fucking dumb. She did not consent, so your silly ass comments about boyfriends are irrelevant.

 

[buckshot24]

what the fuck does this have to do with the original topic, oh I know, nothing, but a chance to bring up the clintons in an unfavorable light, you pathetic hack.
Don't ever call anyone a hack again, as you are the definition of a hack by this post alone.

Just testing her level of outrage for rape allegations. Doesn't seem to care about this one though.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Just testing her level of outrage for rape allegations. Doesn't seem to care about this one though.

hack

 

[buckshot24]

hack

Exposing hacks more like it.

 

[Zorba]

there are some sick, damaged fucks in this place, if they actually believe any of the horseshit they're saying. Her BAC level is irrelevant, this kid is getting off incredibly light. And boo-fucking-hoo, he's gonna be labeled as a sex offender, he owns that as he sexually assaulted someone.
Whereas the woman will have to cope with being sexually assaulted for the rest of her life. And that was not by her choice.

I didn't bring up her BAC, I was speaking in general and I was responding to claim that every rape is exactly the same deserving the exact same punishment.

If a girl passes out, I don't care what she did or said before that moment, anything after is rape 100%, and this guy deserves what he gets and probably more it seems.

 

[Paratus]

there are some sick, damaged fucks in this place, if they actually believe any of the horseshit they're saying. PHer BAC level is irrelevant, this kid is getting off incredibly light. And boo-fucking-hoo, he's gonna be labeled as a sex offender, he owns that as he sexually assaulted someone.
Whereas the woman will have to cope with being sexually assaulted for the rest of her life. And that was not by her choice.

I think a fair number of posters in this thread identify a little to much with the perpetrator.

If we want to play the alcohol blame game maybe he shouldn't have gotten drunk if he turns into an asshole rapist when he drinks.

 

[glenn1]

there are some sick, damaged fucks in this place, if they actually believe any of the horseshit they're saying. Her BAC level is irrelevant, this kid is getting off incredibly light. And boo-fucking-hoo, he's gonna be labeled as a sex offender, he owns that as he sexually assaulted someone.
Whereas the woman will have to cope with being sexually assaulted for the rest of her life. And that was not by her choice.

Not by choice but she did help enable the person who did make that choice by getting unconscious drunk. If you want to call that "rape culture" then have at. Your personal responsibility doesn't suddenly become moot just because you call it 'victim blaming.'

 

[Zorba]

Her statement gave details about what the medical staff found that was done to her body.

Also gave statements about what the defendant's side of the story was.

Did you read her statement? If not, stop commenting and fucking read it.

And that is the only place those facts were presented? I don't care what the crime is, I am not going to read a victim's statement at sentencing if I want to know what the facts of the case are. Which is what Waggy was asking for.

I do agree a victim's statement is a good thing to read if you are trying to decide what the sentence should be, after you know the facts.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Not by choice but she did help enable the person who did make that choice by getting unconscious drunk. If you want to call that "rape culture" then have at. Your personal responsibility doesn't suddenly become moot just because you call it 'victim blaming.'

She helped enable, just wanted to be sure I captured that nugget. Wow.... I think you are onto something Paratus.
Holy shit. Enabled the rapist because she chose to get blitzed drunk. Holy fuck...

 

[buckshot24]

I think a fair number of posters in this thread identify a little to much with the perpetrator.

If we want to play the alcohol blame game maybe he shouldn't have gotten drunk if he turns into an asshole rapist when he drinks.

While nobody ever deserves to get raped going to a party and getting unconsciously drunk probably increases the odds of it happening to you.

We say to people who get thrown from their car because they didn't wear a seat belt that they should have been wearing one but we can't say anything to this young lady who got passed out drunk and ended up getting raped. She didn't cause the rape but she acted stupidly by getting so blew out at a frat party.