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out of africa theory debunked again.

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but blacks have high prenatal T and you cant mutate prenatal Testosterone away.

Says who?

i also dont get how the features of the skeleton changed.

Mutation.

i meant that their benefits isnt why they become prevalent too.

Huh?

good argument, but that doesnt mean that everyone comes from the african mitochondrial eve... i think i do, but many people dont. that doesnt even mean that perhaps one race classified as homo sapiens was created by a supreme deity or that another race classified as homo sapiens didnt descend from chimpanzees (or share a common ancestor with chimpanzees) and became human looking because of mixture. i really think that mixture between different races is predominantly why some people look less chimpanzee than others or more "white" than people not classified as "white".

Double-huh?

then why do non-black races get erectile dysfunction proportionally more than blacks do? not all mutations are beneficial. and what about a deletion of a mutation?

What about it? Without the ability to counter-act ED, then that portion of the species could die out over time.

i dont believe in the bible either. but there may have been a supreme deity who created a race classified as human that did not and does not evolve and a different race with ultimate origins from the earth (from the other 4 kingdoms of life and earthly elements).

Science disagrees with you, but you do not seem to care much about science.

MotionMan
 
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Did you scroll to the bottom? This is the author. I'm not saying you should judge books by their cover, but you definitely should judge humans by their cover.
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Not really though. Some of the greatest scientific minds were also some of the most frightening individuals, based on looks alone (some were unstable/"off" enough to be frightening because of who they were, not what they looked like).
 
Who believes that?

Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs.

:awe::biggrin::awe:
 
Not really though. Some of the greatest scientific minds were also some of the most frightening individuals, based on looks alone (some were unstable/"off" enough to be frightening because of who they were, not what they looked like).
Like Einstein hookin' up with his cousin

Great mind, but seriously, *Barf* hair as bad as this guy too.
 
Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs.

:awe::biggrin::awe:
Yeah that's about as honest as his strawman is -- which is to say not at all.
 
wow bro, that went so far over your defensive/attacking head it's not even funny.

I didn't say I believed in creation or evolution. I said there is nothing that would not stop evolution in any of the holy writings out there so far if that is what one believes.

Also creation theory has not been proven false by anything else (you can't disprove something). Scientists aren't sure the true story yet.

I tend to keep an open mind and I have almost a decade of college level science courses with even some non-secular religion type classes thrown in.

I meant exactly what I said. Creation is a fairy tail. Most fairy tales are fantasy mixed with truth.

So, you take truth, evolution, and you mix fantasy (creator), you get creation.

Anyhow, there is no creation "theory", there is only creation "fairy tales."

🙂
 
And how do you think that follows? I thought you considered yourself knowledgeable with physics.

how does what follow?

I am simply going off what I was taught in school. Two particles smashed together and created everything. Since there was nothing before the bang, they were two particles of nothing.
 
Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs.

:awe::biggrin::awe:

That is incorrect.
There is no "Magic" involved.
And, just like how there are many different values for infinity, there also can be many different values for "nothing."

It may be incomprehensible to you, however, that is due to your own shortcoming/ignorance.
 
Anyone who doesn't believe the universe is infinite.

People believe the universe is infinite?

"Infinitely complex", such as, m-theory and a web of multiverses? Or infinite in dimension/scope? As in, there is no horizon/limits of the reach of our universe, the one in which we directly reside?
 
People believe the universe is infinite?

"Infinitely complex", such as, m-theory and a web of multiverses? Or infinite in dimension/scope? As in, there is no horizon/limits of the reach of our universe, the one in which we directly reside?

as in: the universe has not always been there. It did not have a starting point.
 
mods may merge this thread with any of the other threads i have made that deal with this topic, i just started this one because of a new article.
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anyway, i dont know how good the source linked above is, but it wouldnt surprise me if it was true because i dont really believe in evolution; it does not explain much as to why there are different races within the same species... too many differences between the blacks and the northeast asians/neanderjuden to have both come from the same womb and then all of a sudden changed because they went sepearate ways into different environments.

and then it boggles my mind how so many people think that mutations can happen because they are beneficial (e.g., it's ridiculous to think that the northeast asian eyes are mutated/cold-adapted; they are like that because they are probably just originally from that area).




I can't wait until the OP posts their next "beneficial" and "informative" thread.

I just wish they were fact and not simply fiction.
 
how does what follow?
How does it follow that a person who does not believe the universe is infinite must believe the nonsensical rubbish you posted? Show me how you derive the latter from the former.

I am simply going off what I was taught in school. Two particles smashed together and created everything.
Which school and which text?

Since there was nothing before the bang, they were two particles of nothing.
1. What is a "particle of nothing"?
2. How do you know what does or does not exist "before the big bang"?
3. What does "before the big bang" mean, anyway?

I edited in my final question with my previous post so I'll ask it again here:

Do YOU believe the universe is infinite?
 
How does it follow that a person who does not believe the universe is infinite must believe the nonsensical rubbish you posted? Show me how you derive the latter from the former.


Which school and which text?


1. What is a "particle of nothing"?
2. How do you know what does or does not exist "before the big bang"?
3. What does "before the big bang" mean, anyway?

I edited in my final question with my previous post so I'll ask it again here:

Do YOU believe the universe is infinite?
no
 
How does it follow that a person who does not believe the universe is infinite must believe the nonsensical rubbish you posted? Show me how you derive the latter from the former.


Which school and which text?


1. What is a "particle of nothing"?
2. How do you know what does or does not exist "before the big bang"?
3. What does "before the big bang" mean, anyway?

I edited in my final question with my previous post so I'll ask it again here:

Do YOU believe the universe is infinite?

Rudeguy's just an idiot. Saying he was trolling would give him too much credit.
 
Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs.

:awe::biggrin::awe:

Nice strawman 🙄

I mean, you can do better than that right?
 

Setting aside your inability to substantiate your claims about what you'd been taught, we have this odd circumstance in front of us:

You said, of the universe:

It was created when to atoms of nothing smashed together and created everything.

You said that this was believed by:

Anyone who doesn't believe the universe is infinite.

And when I asked if you believed that the universe was infinite, you said:


Are you sure you don't see any problem with these three things being true at the same time?
 
how does what follow?

I am simply going off what I was taught in school. Two particles smashed together and created everything. Since there was nothing before the bang, they were two particles of nothing.

Well that's terrible. If you were led to believe that (two particles smashed together), you were done a grave disservice by your science instructors.

Yikes.


The very beginning, what actually happened, down to the greatest detail, is still unknown. It is known there was at least a beginning, or at least one beginning (if it happens repeatedly, or has only happened once in this universe... hasn't been determined - strong theories are out there for both).

The shape of the early universe and spread of matter (including the theorized spread of "dark matter" in a similar but different way, more "clumpy", yes that's a technical description 😛) which helped gravity establish the early protogalaxies and gas blobs that led to the "first round" of supermassive stars that, in their race to burn through all of their fuel (the larger the star, the faster it burns through available fuel and thus it is a star for far less time than smaller stars), ended up also, through nuclear fusion on an impressive scale hardly imaginable, created much of/the entirety of the periodic table of elements.
Most stars today can only produce helium - some of the larger ones will go on to produce the first 8 elements on the table (up to Oxygen, that is) during their end of life stages. Available Hydrogen becomes too low to sustain fusion, but there's enough mass above to start early H-He and He-He fusion. IIRC, that's when a star is hitting the last phases (ours might not even get this far), like Red Giant and then White Dwarf.

The supermassive stars, none of which are around any longer (the largest star today should pale in comparison to the first stars - though, physically, they shouldn't be dwarfed in the same way our Sun is dwarfed by the largest star seen today), were basically the initial feeder stars, that, in their supermassive supernovae, seeded the early cosmos with the majority, or all, of the elements we have today. Some massive stars continued to be able to produce the heavier elements as time wound on, but generally, the expansion began to limit the potential size of stars as the spread of H and He (mostly H) prevented massive, single clumps from forming and condensing.

It's theorized that the first supermassive clumps (and stars) came quite a bit before the first galaxies. It's highly likely that the supermassive black holes at the center of almost every galaxy, is the collapsed remnants of the first supermassive stars that seeded the cosmos. Heck, much of initial material probably created the galaxies that formed around the dead stars/black holes.
Of course, gas clouds were still out there that hadn't condensed, and they got pulled into the protogalaxies. And of course, there are either free-floating galaxy remnants (galaxies colliding and perhaps multi-directional gravity tugging tore apart a few - it's possible), or there were gas clouds that managed to condense into stars and either brown dwarfs (failed stars) or gas giant planets outside of any galaxy that have been discovered in recent years.


The point, however, is everything we know and have is not a direct result of the "big bang" itself (it wasn't from nothing to everything, in other words). Many stages of evolution in the cosmos itself, the shape of the universe and interaction of first gas clouds and initial physics, had to then work with the initial slate and, through fusion and gravity, create what we see.

What happened right before, and during, we can't see. The early moments (hundreds of thousands of years) were such a visual mess and everything was still sort of a soupy mess of raw energy spreading rapidly. Our evidence really doesn't start until a couple hundred thousand years, if not a million or more years after T-0 (that being the exact moment of "the big bang").
Much of what is currently theorized is that, particles didn't even exist during that "soupy energy" period (super "hot", no complete atoms, etc), and most of the physical constants ("laws") were still not finalized. One link I just quickly pulled up for reference, says it wasn't until roughly 3 minutes after T-0 that primordial protons and neutrons began to condense into atomic particles, mostly Helium.

At the very beginning, right before it happened, one might say it was simply the generation of the first physical rule. The universe may have simply been a cloud of pure energy, or perhaps a mess of primordial atomic components without any physical rules like mass, gravity, radiation, etc. Something happened, and then the rest is relatively well understood.


I don't really get the argument anyway. What, do people want to disprove the big bang happened? Well, good luck on that one - the evidence that can be collected, and the experiments that can be conducted, all produce results that line up with the basic notion of the big bang and early cosmos. Again, some of the details, like what came before, if it was a collapsed galaxy or this is the first time, and whether this universe is within another universe... those still are more up in the air. That what we see today is a product of a beginning without much order or structure, is basically fully demonstrated and accepted.


If you want to have your cake and eat it to, you basically have to accept that there is a multiverse, and that our universe is within another universe. I say that, because, as it is now, any Deities out there cannot be a product of our Universe, not if they were/are responsible for the creation of our universe.
So if there are any Gods, I'd say it's pretty much concluded that said being(s) is/are a natural being from another universe. Maybe there are gates between universes, or with the knowledge/ability you can simply melt between them... I don't know, and these ideas (multiverse), are some of the youngest/newest theories. There is much science and math that lines up, but I think definitive answers are some time away. Practical application of any of this knowledge, probably thousands of years away. 🙁



note: I cannot guarantee something I've said is either grossly inaccurate, long dismissed and/or replaced with new information or theories, or so terribly summed up and simplified that I butchered the message entirely.
Some of this is remembered from previous education on the subject, and much is from quickly reading (the parts I can make sense of) journal articles, research results, or other scientific media/publications. I'm intensely interested in astronomy, but obviously I'm no astrophysicist, nor do I have the mathematical education relating to these studies.
 
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