Oursourcing is just capitalism spread on a global scale

[Inspector Jihad]

i thought we americans were all about capitalism and wanted to spread it everywhere...or is that only as long as it benefits us?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i thought we americans were all about capitalism and wanted to spread it everywhere...or is that only as long as it benefits us?

Exactly what I've been saying for a long time.

The hypocracy of the American masses.

If you can't compete you are finished, thats the way it goes.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Despite the "global economy," most people still place the well-being of their fellow citizens above that of those citizens of foreign countries. (I'm sure you understand this, as I've seen you throw out cute little "coconut" accusations at anyone of Indian-decent who doesn't wave that chakra-bearing flag high at all times.)

That said, yes, outsourcing *is* an extension of capitalism and will continue to spread.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

gunslinger, thats irrelevent. i fully understand and accept india's failures and shortcomings, but to make fun of someone culture has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do you understand my position now? Its funny how importnat reading comprehension is. Its almost like they should teach it in school.

so what i dont understand then is that why go ahead and preach the idea to everyone else and then when it comes to fruition, start complaining that it is occuring.

similarly free trade is also encouraged to such and extent but when china tried to buy a low production US oil company with an almost insignificant contribution to total US oil, the government stepped in and blocked the trade. CNOOC wanted the company for their asian oil production, yet it was still blocked by the US. I really don't understand the double standards going on most of the time.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger


Despite the "global economy," most people still place the well-being of their fellow citizens above that of those citizens of foreign countries. (I'm sure you understand this, as I've seen you throw out cute little "coconut" accusations at anyone of Indian-decent who doesn't wave that chakra-bearing flag high at all times.)

That said, yes, outsourcing *is* an extension of capitalism and will continue to spread.

CK you are a smart guy... but Indians born in the US have a habit of hating themselves and India. Its self-destructive, I think thats what Inspector Jihad is combatting.

 

[conjur]

Just heard this song on the radio:

http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=9125
"We Can't Make it Here"

by James McMurty
September 14th, 2005

New song by a Texas based rock and roller named James McMurtry. He's been around awhile, doing very good work. But this song is probably going to kick up a bit of a storm. Try it, I think you will probably like it. You can access via the link at http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com/

Here are McMurtry's lyrics...and the music and vocals are excellent too!

"We Can't Make it Here"

Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
Flag on the wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing, both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget's stretched so thin
And there's more comin' home from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore

That big ol' building was the textile mill
It fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
We can't make it here anymore

See all those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna set there till they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here 'less you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore

The bar's still open but man it's slow
The tip jar's light and the register's low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day

Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO
See how far 5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one of your stores
Bet you can't make it here anymore

High school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career, forget about school
Can she live on faith? live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore

Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their sh!t don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in the damn little war
And we can't make it here anymore

Will work for food
Will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
Let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat sh!t, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore

And that's how it is
That's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper
Read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind
If you're listening at all
Get out of that limo
Look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone
Tell us all why

In Dayton, Ohio
Or Portland, Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley
And trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymore

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
gunslinger, thats irrelevent. i fully understand and accept india's failures and shortcomings, but to make fun of someone culture has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do you understand my position now? Its funny how importnat reading comprehension is. Its almost like they should teach it in school.

so what i dont understand then is that why go ahead and preach the idea to everyone else and then when it comes to fruition, start complaining that it is occuring.

similarly free trade is also encouraged to such and extent but when china tried to buy a low production US oil company with an almost insignificant contribution to total US oil, the government stepped in and blocked the trade. CNOOC wanted the company for their asian oil production, yet it was still blocked by the US. I really don't understand the double standards going on most of the time.

Side-stepping the OT issue (although how you manage to equate a tale of a stupid action to the demonization of an entire culture is beyond me,) I agree that there seems to be a double-standard when it comes to a global free-market where Americans sometimes can't compete. It's our lack of focus on education in the country that will be our downfall, no doubt.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i wonder how much stuff would cost if it was still made in teh us...a 3 pack of hanes underwear i bought for 7 bucks would easily be twice that.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger


Despite the "global economy," most people still place the well-being of their fellow citizens above that of those citizens of foreign countries. (I'm sure you understand this, as I've seen you throw out cute little "coconut" accusations at anyone of Indian-decent who doesn't wave that chakra-bearing flag high at all times.)

That said, yes, outsourcing *is* an extension of capitalism and will continue to spread.

CK you are a smart guy... but Indians born in the US have a habit of hating themselves and India. Its self-destructive, I think thats what Inspector Jihad is combatting.

yeah man, you understand whats going. and its more common on AT for some reason that even people with no idea about india bash it...which is funny cause Anand is an indian dude

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i wonder how much stuff would cost if it was still made in teh us...a 3 pack of hanes underwear i bought for 7 bucks would easily be twice that.

We don't know that for sure. A lot has changed since the days of NAFTA. Perhaps if manufacturing jobs were kept here, workers would have taken smaller pay raises or even pay cuts to allow the companies to remain more competitive. Perhaps if people were less consumption-based things would change (but who drives that? Corporate marketing.)

We're headed for one helluva wake-up call that just may rival the Great Depression.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
gunslinger, thats irrelevent. i fully understand and accept india's failures and shortcomings, but to make fun of someone culture has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do you understand my position now? Its funny how importnat reading comprehension is. Its almost like they should teach it in school.

so what i dont understand then is that why go ahead and preach the idea to everyone else and then when it comes to fruition, start complaining that it is occuring.

similarly free trade is also encouraged to such and extent but when china tried to buy a low production US oil company with an almost insignificant contribution to total US oil, the government stepped in and blocked the trade. CNOOC wanted the company for their asian oil production, yet it was still blocked by the US. I really don't understand the double standards going on most of the time.

Side-stepping the OT issue (although how you manage to equate a tale of a stupid action to the demonization of an entire culture is beyond me,) I agree that there seems to be a double-standard when it comes to a global free-market where Americans sometimes can't compete. It's our lack of focus on education in the country that will be our downfall, no doubt.

Honestly I don't think Jigga was telling the whole story. I think he just got kicks out of making fun of his FOB room mate. Seems to fit his personality.

More than that though I think its the capitalist ideal that doesn't work. When America starts to decline you better bet there will be wars. This whole civilized capitalist ideal only works when we make all the cash.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
gunslinger, thats irrelevent. i fully understand and accept india's failures and shortcomings, but to make fun of someone culture has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do you understand my position now? Its funny how importnat reading comprehension is. Its almost like they should teach it in school.

so what i dont understand then is that why go ahead and preach the idea to everyone else and then when it comes to fruition, start complaining that it is occuring.

similarly free trade is also encouraged to such and extent but when china tried to buy a low production US oil company with an almost insignificant contribution to total US oil, the government stepped in and blocked the trade. CNOOC wanted the company for their asian oil production, yet it was still blocked by the US. I really don't understand the double standards going on most of the time.

Side-stepping the OT issue (although how you manage to equate a tale of a stupid action to the demonization of an entire culture is beyond me,) I agree that there seems to be a double-standard when it comes to a global free-market where Americans sometimes can't compete. It's our lack of focus on education in the country that will be our downfall, no doubt.

well, that guy uncjigga has made several such topics...anyway to get back on topic, you're right about education. we need to step that up, although i was reading a good article on the excellent quality of higher education in the us...its just that we need to train kids to want to study and learn at a younger age.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
gunslinger, thats irrelevent. i fully understand and accept india's failures and shortcomings, but to make fun of someone culture has nothing to do with being patriotic. Do you understand my position now? Its funny how importnat reading comprehension is. Its almost like they should teach it in school.

so what i dont understand then is that why go ahead and preach the idea to everyone else and then when it comes to fruition, start complaining that it is occuring.

similarly free trade is also encouraged to such and extent but when china tried to buy a low production US oil company with an almost insignificant contribution to total US oil, the government stepped in and blocked the trade. CNOOC wanted the company for their asian oil production, yet it was still blocked by the US. I really don't understand the double standards going on most of the time.

Side-stepping the OT issue (although how you manage to equate a tale of a stupid action to the demonization of an entire culture is beyond me,) I agree that there seems to be a double-standard when it comes to a global free-market where Americans sometimes can't compete. It's our lack of focus on education in the country that will be our downfall, no doubt.

Honestly I don't think Jigga was telling the whole story. I think he just got kicks out of making fun of his FOB room mate. Seems to fit his personality.

More than that though I think its the capitalist ideal that doesn't work. When America starts to decline you better bet there will be wars. This whole civilized capitalist ideal only works when we make all the cash.

you're right, but hopefully, we'll be able to find a correct medium where we can all profit...wealth is something that one has to lose for another to gain, we can all be rich, but especially we in teh US will have to cut back on our ultra-liberal wasting

 

[techs]

If by 'outsourcing' are you talking about a country like China?
China articially sets its exchange rate. Is a dictatorship that doesn't let the "market" (its people) set environmental standards, worker protection, etc. It steals intellectual property. And it uses the power of the State to unfairly compete.

I am not sure if you are including China. Plus the other totalitarian states? Not to mention "democracies" that "compete" with other nations thru subsidies, etc.
I guess it is more complicated a question than you asked.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

yeah china is shady, but waht about other countries like india, taiwan, south american countries.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
yeah china is shady, but waht about other countries like india, taiwan, south american countries.

I always put Taiwan in there with countries that have State policy of unfair competition (along with South Korea).
And I ain't too worried about South America.
India is a country thats playing by the rules(generally) and they are kicking our butts. But I also believe we have an obligation as a country to retain certain businesses and technical skills in the national interest.

What bothers me is we seem to be drawing the line at underwear (with China) while allowing a national priority like computer programming to be outsourced.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

well, when other countries close their markets, its usually a pretty big deal for the western countries and much bitching and moaning ensues.

India plays fair but thats one reason why their progress isnt as drastic as chinas. well i guess in a democracy once cant overlook things that the chinese govt easily hides.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i thought we americans were all about capitalism and wanted to spread it everywhere...or is that only as long as it benefits us?

Wrong, rich Americans and their worshipers are all about capitalism and wanting to spread it everywhere. Everyone else just wants a job and the ability to provide for their families.

 

[MicroChrome]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i wonder how much stuff would cost if it was still made in teh us...a 3 pack of hanes underwear i bought for 7 bucks would easily be twice that.

Hmmm, you know we have millions on welfare and how about the millions locked up in prision? I'm sure they would love to work in a underware factory.

I am sure if america got it's act together we could make a pack of underware for 5 bucks. A win win situation. Get some people working and off govermnet assistance and use that money wisely to invest in better schools....

Ding Ding Ding... Oh my little fantasy was just a dream... Wake up now... It will never happen with an idiot running the show.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i thought we americans were all about capitalism and wanted to spread it everywhere...or is that only as long as it benefits us?

Wrong, rich Americans and their worshipers are all about capitalism and wanting to spread it everywhere. Everyone else just wants a job and the ability to provide for their families.

It seems to me this kind of goes hand-in-hand. If it weren't for rich Americans looking to spread capitalism everywhere, who would be hiring those wanting a job?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

well many companies got rich off the cheap labor from other countries it was cool cause america believes in capitalism and we will spread that along with democracy to the whole world, but now that other jobs are going oversees, oh no...capitalism is evil and nationalism is more important...we can get rich off others but god forbid if they get rich off us.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
well many companies got rich off the cheap labor from other countries it was cool cause america believes in capitalism and we will spread that along with democracy to the whole world, but now that other jobs are going oversees, oh no...capitalism is evil and nationalism is more important...we can get rich off others but god forbid if they get rich off us.

And who is making the complaint?

It used to be liberals that were concerned about giving the unfortunate in the world a hand up. Now they're whining about outsourcing overseas and fretting over China and India becoming superpowers that will eclipse the US. It's seems the left have become the nationalistic, isolationist types where that used to be the forte of the right.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
well many companies got rich off the cheap labor from other countries it was cool cause america believes in capitalism and we will spread that along with democracy to the whole world, but now that other jobs are going oversees, oh no...capitalism is evil and nationalism is more important...we can get rich off others but god forbid if they get rich off us.

And who is making the complaint?

It used to be liberals that were concerned about giving the unfortunate in the world a hand up. Now they're whining about outsourcing overseas and fretting over China and India becoming superpowers that will eclipse the US. It's seems the left have become the nationalistic, isolationist types where that used to be the forte of the right.

They have become Europeanized.

 

[Stunt]

Outsourcing is capitalism on a global stage...Yes, I can somewhat agree with that statement...

I support outsourcing and capitalism.