Our puritanical progressives

[Steeplerot]

It's all the gubbermunt's fault!

 

[WHAMPOM]

The OP has abandoned the thread. Seems stir'n up a hornet's nest is his only reason to start a topic.

 

[PJABBER]

The OP has abandoned the thread. Seems stir'n up a hornet's nest is his only reason to start a topic.

LOL, you would wish that, wouldn't you.

 

[JSt0rm]

LOL, you would wish that, wouldn't you.

probably more sick you pop up at 1am to refute a claim that you left the thread hahahaha.

 

[PJABBER]

probably more sick you pop up at 1am to refute a claim that you left the thread hahahaha.

Just checking the markets to see how they be playing.

Asian stocks mostly slipped on Wednesday as the eurozone crisis cast a shadow worldwide, Chinese manufacturing data raised expectations of a rate hike and Australia's economy showed signs of slowing.

Tokyo's Nikkei index was off by 0.05 per cent in the morning, Sydney's S&P/ASX 200 index was down by 0.34 per cent, Hong Kong's Hang Seng fell 0.22 per cent and Shanghai's Composite lost 0.54 per cent.

Seoul's Kopsi index rose however by 0.22 per cent as the mood there showed signs of recovering after last week's deadly artillery fire on the Korean peninsula.

Asian markets were partly responding to Wall Street, where the view of Europe's debt crisis appeared increasingly pessimistic and traders also faced mixed indicators on the state of the US recovery.

"Confidence in the European banking system has fallen rapidly and it appears drastic further action will be required by the European Union and the European Central Bank to avert a crisis," RBS Foreign Exchange Strategist Greg Gibbs told Dow Jones Newswires in Sydney.

"At this stage it's easier to see contagion spreading and risk appetite declining further globally before this gets better."

In New York the blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 0.42 per cent, the broader S&P 500 index dropped 0.61 per cent and the tech-rich Nasdaq retreated 1.07 per cent.

The euro dipped below 1.30 dollars for the first time in more than two months on Tuesday as investors fretted that the debt contagion could spread beyond Ireland to Portugal, Spain or even Italy.

The single European currency bought 1.2997 dollars in Asian trade, a shade up from 1.2985 in New York on Tuesday, and 108.68 yen compared with 108.62.

The greenback bought 83.61 yen compared with 83.63.

Meanwhile expectations of an imminent Chinese rate hike were heightened by official data showing that manufacturing activity on the mainland accelerated in November despite the rising cost of raw materials.

The manufacturing purchasing manager's index rose to 55.2 in November from 54.7 in October, according to the China Federation of Logistics and Purchasing.

A reading above 50 indicates expansion while a reading below 50 shows contraction.

"Despite the absence of negative news in recent days, worries about China's further monetary policy tightening are still present in the market and are hurting investor confidence," said analyst Wei Daoke of Shenyin Wanguo Securities.

Australian sentiment was also dented by worse-than-expected third quarter growth data, which suggested a slow-down in the resource-driven economy.

Growth for the quarter to September was 0.2 per cent, while the annual growth figure was downgraded to 2.7 per cent from 3.3 per cent.

Macquarie analyst Brian Redican said the result showed how a "bit of bad weather" in the mining sector could deeply impact Australia's growth.

"If there's any slippage in mining investment or mining construction then you do get a very weak outcome," Redican said. "Suddenly, there's nothing else to support growth."

Crude oil prices rose in Asian trade as freezing temperatures and heavy snowfall in Europe boosted demand for heating fuel, analysts said.

New York's main contract, light sweet crude for January delivery, gained one cent to 84.12 dollars a barrel. Brent North Sea crude for January advanced 17 cents to 86.09 dollars.

Gold opened at 1,386.00-1,387.00 dollars an ounce in Hong Kong, up from Tuesday's close of 1,369.00-1,370.00 dollars.

Buy or sell?

 

[JSt0rm]

Just checking the markets to see how they be playing.

Buy or sell?

lolool watever pj. you are a freakin head case.

 

[PJABBER]

lolool watever pj. you are a freakin head case.

LOL, too wasted to use spell check are you? :awe:

 

[DominionSeraph]

tl;dr

*yawn*

Somebody say something that doesn't bore the hell outta me..

Retards everywhere.

 

[Zebo]

The biggest threat of liberals is all encompassing "workplace harassment" which is also making it's way out of the workplace as well.

It's all about controlling how we think and suppressing speech that liberals for the most part believe is harmful and offensive. It used to be only limited to threats or slander but now includes political statements, religious proselytizing, art, and humor and other material that's at the core of the First Amendment's protections. There is not workplace exception to first Amendment let alone out of it but courts are deciding otherwise:

Some examples:
-Anti-veteran posters at Ohio State University — ILLEGAL “veteran status harassment,”
-Religious articles in newsletter and Bible verses on paychecks — ILLEGAL\
-Goya’s “Naked Maja” painting displayed in a classroom — ILLEGAL "sexual harassment"
“Any racial, religious, ethnic or other remarks . . . contrary to their fellow employees’ religious beliefs” — ILLEGAL, says a court injunction (enforceable by criminal contempt penalties).
“Any and all offensive . . . speech implicating considerations of race” — ILLEGAL
http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/harass/breadth.htm

 

[jrodson69]

Great points Zebo, agreed 100%.

We're witnessing a President and Administration hell-bent on suppressing any and all speech they disagree with, on/in any medium, by any/all means necessary. The Constitution is being desecrated piece by piece. And sadly the minions are mostly asleep at the wheel.

The good old liberal motto: FREE SPEECH!!!*

*If we agree with you!

 

[DominionSeraph]

Somebody say something that doesn't bore the hell outta me..

 

[Zebo]

Frogs in water. Whole BoR is barley worth paper it's written on anymore. Both side have played a part but Speech I am most sensitive to since it's hard to communicate the other rights without it. Course you go quoting Constitution that's grounds for being on a list somewhere these days! Ever see that movie "Demolition Man" where Stallone wakes up 30 years in the future and you can't drive, can't eat salt, can only use certain words? I bet we'll be like that.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Frogs in water. Whole BoR is barley worth paper it's written on anymore. Both side have played a part but Speech I am most sensitive to since it's hard to communicate the other rights without it. Course you go quoting Constitution that's grounds for being on a list somewhere these days! Ever see that movie "Demolition Man" where Stallone wakes up 30 years in the future and you can't drive, can't eat salt, can only use certain words? I bet we'll be like that.

Incoherent rambling isn't interesting.

 

[IBMer]

Great points Zebo, agreed 100%.

We're witnessing a President and Administration hell-bent on suppressing any and all speech they disagree with, on/in any medium, by any/all means necessary. The Constitution is being desecrated piece by piece. And sadly the minions are mostly asleep at the wheel.

The good old liberal motto: FREE SPEECH!!!*

*If we agree with you!

Bold claims, care to back them up? A couple of fringe groups show that they don't understand what it is to be liberal and suddenly all liberals are just like them... I guess we should equate all conservatives to be just like the religious right that want to do the very things you claim liberals want to do.

 

[Red Dawn]

Another swing and a miss.

So you pull up a nut case who couldn't get elected and try to compare that to the wife of the vice president and many sitting CA senators?

Wow...

Tipper Gore was and probably still is a wise and beautiful woman, I thought so back then and I still do today. I don't blame Al for trying to get some on the side, the smell of all that hairspray in Tipper's Bufont Hairdo along with her fat ass must be a huge turn off.

As for banning violent video games, that's been championed from both sides of the political isle since the first no life loser hooked on one took his or someone elses life. Politicos have always been trying to do something about those losers

 

[feralkid]

Great points Zebo, agreed 100%.

We're witnessing a President and Administration hell-bent on suppressing any and all speech they disagree with, on/in any medium, by any/all means necessary. The Constitution is being desecrated piece by piece. And sadly the minions are mostly asleep at the wheel.

The good old liberal motto: FREE SPEECH!!!*

*If we agree with you!

Yarbles!

BOLSHY GREAT YARBLOCKOS TO THEE AND THINE

 

[Zebo]

They tried to ban Ozzy for Suicide solution. I think that day at about 12 I began to be distrustful of govt.

 

[zsdersw]

Agreed. However, the right doesn't claim to be liberal.

The right's got plenty of inaccurate claims as well.

 

[thraashman]

Agreed. However, the right doesn't claim to be liberal.

The problem with your argument here is that the Left is Liberal, it's how LEFT works. Left is liberal, Right is conservative. Now, to say that the Democratic party isn't that far left would be a more accurate statement for your argument. I actually agree with that. I've been saying for a while that the Democrats aren't far enough left. Funny thing is I'm willing to bet that half the people in this thread arguing that Dems aren't that liberal/left will within this very week complain about how leftist and socialist the Dems are.

That's the problem with the current right. Not that they aren't far enough right (they're so far right the center right looks left to them). It's that they aren't far enough SANE!

 

[werepossum]

The problem with your argument here is that the Left is Liberal, it's how LEFT works. Left is liberal, Right is conservative. Now, to say that the Democratic party isn't that far left would be a more accurate statement for your argument. I actually agree with that. I've been saying for a while that the Democrats aren't far enough left. Funny thing is I'm willing to bet that half the people in this thread arguing that Dems aren't that liberal/left will within this very week complain about how leftist and socialist the Dems are.

That's the problem with the current right. Not that they aren't far enough right (they're so far right the center right looks left to them). It's that they aren't far enough SANE!

At one time the left was liberal, but the left is now mostly progressive. Classical liberalism was all about individualism and personal freedom; progressive-ism is the antithesis of that. The progressive movement is all about empowering government, pushing everyone into identifiable groups, and destroying the concept of the individual and his rights as it was defined by Western culture - in other words, adopting the doctrines of Marx in progressive steps rather than by revolution.

 

[PJABBER]

At one time the left was liberal, but the left is now mostly progressive. Classical liberalism was all about individualism and personal freedom; progressive-ism is the antithesis of that. The progressive movement is all about empowering government, pushing everyone into identifiable groups, and destroying the concept of the individual and his rights as it was defined by Western culture - in other words, adopting the doctrines of Marx in progressive steps rather than by revolution.

That is so well said. QFT.

 

[Amused]

The problem with your argument here is that the Left is Liberal, it's how LEFT works. Left is liberal, Right is conservative. Now, to say that the Democratic party isn't that far left would be a more accurate statement for your argument. I actually agree with that. I've been saying for a while that the Democrats aren't far enough left. Funny thing is I'm willing to bet that half the people in this thread arguing that Dems aren't that liberal/left will within this very week complain about how leftist and socialist the Dems are.

That's the problem with the current right. Not that they aren't far enough right (they're so far right the center right looks left to them). It's that they aren't far enough SANE!

Liberal is live and let live. The current American left is NOT live and let live. They have gone so far left as to come full circle and are now leftist authoritarians.

Liberal
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

The current American left is not liberal.

 

[Thump553]

Kind of ironic that the most famous Progressive of all was Teddie Roosevelt, a Republican and generally acknowledged to be one of the greatest presidents ever. And that definition of progressivism werepossum gave a few posts above is pure self-serving nonesense. If that was what progressivism was about it never would have become the movement that made USA great in the twentieth century.

 

[Amused]

Kind of ironic that the most famous Progressive of all was Teddie Roosevelt, a Republican and generally acknowledged to be one of the greatest presidents ever. And that definition of progressivism werepossum gave a few posts above is pure self-serving nonesense. If that was what progressivism was about it never would have become the movement that made USA great in the twentieth century.

"progressive" is all fine and dandy... as long as you know what you're progressing towards. Wanna progress towards freedom? Fine. The the only progression the left in the US is doing is towards authoritarian government rule of the smallest aspects of our lives (except sexuality and abortion, of course)