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Our Objective reality is hollow

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Braznor said:
Ordinary Spectrum are just the sensations we experience by interaction with the universe, i.e higher frequency light is blue, lower frequency light is blue, heat is warmth, lower temperature is cold. Pure spectrum is the spectrum without any form.

Pure spectrum is cognitive experience without the perversion of physical form. It is impossible to define what it is. But it does exist, that's all I know and care about. Perhaps pure awareness????
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Second post from the OP in the thread and… that's a wrap.
 
snoopy7548 said:
You're arguing for the existence of God, or a higher being, that controls us. There is no such thing. Reality is made up of how our brains perceive it through chemical interactions.

Or maybe reality is simply all that dark matter floating around that we can't see.
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Our interactions are hollow. There is no need for a God for a control us or anything. The universe is like a jugsaw puzzle, primed to achieve the ideal configuration, one way or another. I repeat there is no God
 
Pohemi420 said:
Okay then, clown. You don't want discussion, you want agreement.
Empty rambling does not a philosopher make. Put down the dimethyl triptamine.

You are trying to make profound "truths" from otherwise inconsequential nouns like "form" and "substance". It doesn't mean jack shit. It's just you trying to make entirely normal conjecture into some metaphysical magic.

Terminology with such definitions exist only in your mind. It doesn't mean it's correct just because you 'think' or 'feel' it.
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I never said I cannot tolerate dissent from my views. Debate my views or desist, do not bore me though.
 
Braznor said:
Our interactions are hollow. There is no need for a God for a control us or anything. The universe is like a jugsaw puzzle, primed to achieve the ideal configuration, one way or another. I repeat there is no God
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Wait but I thought God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Sorry that is going to give some people some bad flashbacks.
 
How does any of this change what you're doing or feeling day-to-day? Let's say there's a pure spectrum or whatever that I am connected to: I still have to pay bills, I still have to work - I still have to make sure my physical needs are met.

It's not like I can tap into this for some extra super power, so nothing really changes.
 
Braznor said:
Our interactions are hollow. There is no need for a God for a control us or anything. The universe is like a jugsaw puzzle, primed to achieve the ideal configuration, one way or another. I repeat there is no God
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The universe is primed to achieve heat death. I have no basis to apply or deny the term "ideal" to this state but I do think that it would be hella boring.
 
IronWing said:
The universe is primed to achieve heat death. I have no basis to apply or deny the term "ideal" to this state but I do think that it would be hella boring.
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Well, a jigsaw puzzle tends to be more interesting while you're putting it together, once it's done, you can't do much but look at it.
 
Braznor said:
Mark my words, this is a pure philosophical thread.

Egos are gonna bruised in this thread. Some of you may never recover from the hurt experienced in this thread. Some of you may yet emerge victorious. It seems fair that I warn you all about the repercussions from engaging seriously in a discussion in this thread.

Again this is a pure philosophical thread.

Grammar Nazis need not apply. this is not a thread dealing with semantics. This is a pure philosophical thread, what counts here are your thoughts and ideas.

Here is my hypothesis.

Our reality arises from two layers embedded deeper than the layer of spacetime of this universe.

1. The layer of Pure Spectrum.
2. The layer of forms.

We arise from the interaction from the intricate forms formed by these two layers. Spectrum is of course the cognitive spectrum in the form of colors and the various other sensations we experience. I, of course, believe there is just one flavor of spectrum (This spectrum takes the form of the spectrum we recognize due to the influence of the flavors of the forms in this universe, therefore blue light is a spectrum associated with a higher frequency of light and red with one of lower frequency.)


The layers of form connects one form of consciousness with another to form a higher consciousness. For example, the form of a human being demands that the neurons in our head connect with each other to form the higher consciousness of a human being. Each neuron has its own consciousness, but combined together into a whole by the form of the brain and that of a human being, the individual consciousness of these neurons forms the consciousness of the human being i.e. the human being aka ourselves.

You have two choices ahead of you here.

1. discuss the propositions here.
2. Be a prick and ridicule the propositions I proposed here.

The choice is yours, get set GO!
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TL: DR 😉
 
This sounds like a systems engineering class. Systems of systems pointing back to a designer of your choice. It sounds like you are only moving forward though, try the other direction and let me know what you think.
 
nakedfrog said:
Why does this layer of forms need to be separate, why can't neurons link together in the layer of spectrum?
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The spectrum is the content, the forms are the structure. They are separated because the fundamental quality of the respective layers are different.
 
IronWing said:
The universe is primed to achieve heat death. I have no basis to apply or deny the term "ideal" to this state but I do think that it would be hella boring.
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Lets see if conscious beings can avoid the universe from achieving the state of heat death. I think this is what the whole game of life is about.
 
RearAdmiral said:
This sounds like a systems engineering class. Systems of systems pointing back to a designer of your choice. It sounds like you are only moving forward though, try the other direction and let me know what you think.
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I repeat there is no god.
 
RearAdmiral said:
I didn't say God, I wrote it that way for you to work around that possibility. You built a system / problem but only went forward. I want to see your thoughts when you reverse direction.
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The 'system' I built could arise from a mix of logic, dimensions and the extra dimensional factor called spectrum. It does not require a creator with an ego. I.E. The universe was created because nothingness is inherently instable and the foundations of the created universe is based on timeless eternal logic which is comprised in the structure aka forms and the extra dimensional factor called spectrum aka consciousness.

Einstein didn't create the laws of relativity, he merely discovered them. These laws are inherently ingrained within the universe and they would have been the same a billion years ago as they are today and as they will be a billion years from now on.

So once again I repeat, it does not matter which direction the logic flows, forward or backward. The layer of forms and spectrum existed back then as they still do now.
 
Braznor said:
Einstein didn't create the laws of relativity, he merely discovered them. These laws are inherently ingrained within the universe and they would have been the same a billion years ago as they are today and as they will be a billion years from now on.
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Except for the first few seconds of the universe's existence.
 
Braznor said:
I believe the universe itself is in the quest of a perfect configuration. A configuration of spectrum and form which is the most internal ideal form towards which all of our actions leads to bring about such an ideal state.

If such an ideal form calls for punching yourself in your face atleast once. Then the rules of the hollow objective reality will make you punch yourself in the face once or maybe even not just just once, but perhaps multiple times. Perhaps such an ideal configuration of the universe demands you leave yourself brain damaged. One cannot say what actions and sacrifices are required to bring about such an ideal state. But rest assured, if you have to punch yourself in the face atleast once, it is towards a better configuration of the universe. The Universe can be extremely callous and cruel.
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It sounds to me like OP is trying to argue that nobody should be responsible for their actions, since it's just "the hollow reality" controlling everyone.

A pathetic attempt to weasle out of banging some married woman.
 
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