Our Brave War President
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Ozoned,
I put my life on the line so hacks like you can profit from fallen soldiers???? You have the right to do so, but I cannot say that it is in good taste. The soldiers images that you use would likey kick your ass if they knew. Their living buddies buddies would likely do the same.
Brave post! what a guy... If your mom dies, maybe someone will use her image without consent to slam something that she beleived in. You would probably support that as well????:disgust:
I put my life on the line so hacks like you can profit from fallen soldiers???? You have the right to do so, but I cannot say that it is in good taste. The soldiers images that you use would likey kick your ass if they knew. Their living buddies buddies would likely do the same.
Brave post! what a guy... If your mom dies, maybe someone will use her image without consent to slam something that she beleived in. You would probably support that as well????:disgust:
XZeroII
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
I salute the soldiers that died bringing a taste of freedom to an oppressed
society, and died to defend your rights to politicize their deaths...
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You do realize the latter half of your statement is a crock of poo? The soldiers dying in Iraq are losing their lives due to the political meanderings of the Bush Regime. At every turn since 9/11, Bushies have politicized every element of national defense. The fact that thousands upon thousands of National Guard and Reserves are toiling in the Middle East is unadulterated evidence of Neocon nocturnal emissions hijacking our country.
The true enemies of freedom in America occupy the halls of Congress, the West Wing, and Minister Arsecroft's lair.
Please explain how an oath upon commencement of service has any bearing on the causes of their particular deaths. It doesn't. In fact, if none of the soldiers who have died in Iraq were dead, BaliBabyDoc would not possess any less freedom of speech.
They died because a dyslexic moron is having his strings pulled by fat guys utterly incapable of logical and mature cognition who get stiffies at the thought of filling their pockets with cash through any means possible. The more destructive the means, the harder they get.
I long for the day the Left returns to the defense of a principle other than "oppose whatever Bush supports." As the noted Leftist (still) Christopher Hitchens wrote before the war, if the Left can't get past the inconvenient fact that they're on the same side of an issue as George Bush, and instead focus on the unescapable fact that regime change in Iraq is for the betterment of humanity in that part of the world, then of what good are they?
Hitchens wrote in 2/03, just after the London Peace March:
"DURING the many years I spent on the Left, the cause of self-determination for Kurdistan was high on the list of principles and priorities - there are many more Kurds than there are Palestinians and they have been staunch fighters for democracy in the region.
It would have been a wonderful thing if hundreds of thousands of people had flooded into London's Hyde Park and stood in solidarity with this, one of the most important struggles for liberty in the world today.
Instead, the assortment of forces who assembled demanded, in effect, that Saddam be allowed to keep the other five-sixths of Iraq as his own personal torture chamber.
There are not enough words in any idiom to describe the shame and the disgrace of this."
Or from 10/02, explaining why he left The Nation:
"You might think that the Left could have a regime-change perspective of its own, based on solidarity with its comrades abroad. After all, Saddam's ruling Ba'ath Party consolidated its power by first destroying the Iraqi communist and labor movements, and then turning on the Kurds (whose cause, historically, has been one of the main priorities of the Left in the Middle East). When I first became a socialist, the imperative of international solidarity was the essential if not the defining thing, whether the cause was popular or risky or not. I haven't seen an anti-war meeting all this year at which you could even guess at the existence of the Iraqi and Kurdish opposition to Saddam, an opposition that was fighting for "regime change" when both Republicans and Democrats were fawning over Baghdad as a profitable client and geopolitical ally. Not only does the "peace" movement ignore the anti-Saddam civilian opposition, it sends missions to console the Ba'athists in their isolation, and speaks of the invader of Kuwait and Iran and the butcher of Kurdistan as if he were the victim and George W. Bush the aggressor.
Some peaceniks clear their throats by saying that, of course, they oppose Saddam Hussein as much as anybody, though not enough to support doing anything about him.
But some don't even bother to make this disavowal. In the United States, the main organizer of anti-war propaganda is Ramsey Clark, who perhaps understandably can't forgive himself for having been Lyndon Johnson's attorney general. However, he fails to live down this early disgrace by acting as a front man for a sinister sect -- the International Action Center, cover name for the Workers World Party -- which refuses to make any criticism of the Saddam regime. It is this quasi-Stalinist group, co-organized by a man with the wondrous name of Clark Kissinger, which has recruited such figures as Ed Asner and Marisa Tomei to sign the "Not In Our Name" petition. Funny as this may be in some ways (I don't think the administration is going to war in the name of Ed Asner or Marisa Tomei, let alone Gore Vidal), it is based on a surreptitious political agenda. In Britain, the chief spokesman of the "anti-war" faction is a Labour MP named George Galloway, who is never happier than when writing moist profiles of Saddam and who says that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the worst moment of his life.
Instead of internationalism, we find among the Left now a sort of affectless, neutralist, smirking isolationism. In this moral universe, the views of the corrupt and conservative Jacques Chirac -- who built Saddam Hussein a nuclear reactor, knowing what he wanted it for -- carry more weight than those of persecuted Iraqi democrats. In this moral universe, the figure of Jimmy Carter -- who incited Saddam to attack Iran in 1980, without any U.N. or congressional consultation that I can remember -- is considered axiomatically more statesmanlike than Bush.
Sooner or later, one way or another, the Iraqi and Kurdish peoples will be free of Saddam Hussein. When that day comes, I am booked to have a reunion in Baghdad with several old comrades who have been through hell. We shall not be inviting anyone who spent this precious time urging democratic countries to give Saddam another chance."
Has the Left now become so blinded by hatred of Bush that all they can do is look at an Iraq finally freed of a butcher's yoke and lament? Relieving the suffering of millions may be good and all, but if it helps Bush in the slightest little bit, it just wasn't worth it, eh? Sad.
Your soaring hyperbole really doesn't relate to the previous posts which you have quoted. Additionally you draw an a priori conclusion about current sentiment based on an article written before the war and inspired by an event that occurred before the war. Not to mention that you assume the fact that the war will relieve the suffering of millions and help Bush.
Quite frankly, I have no way of assessing the net gain or loss of suffering - and neither do you. I do think that the invasion was politically foolhardy, and regardless of the Kurds, will result in a net gain of suffering on the part of Americans. The total number of Americans who would have died for Saddam over the next decade if we had not invaded would have been zero. Instead we have a steadily rising body count.
It is admirable that Hitchens is stepping up for the Kurds, but to reach your less than admirable conclusion would be to not only assert that the ends justifies the means, but to assert foreknowledge of a conclusion that is anything but sure.
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
I salute the soldiers that died bringing a taste of freedom to an oppressed
society, and died to defend your rights to politicize their deaths...
Right, taste of freedom, you really believe that? The only thing the Iraqi's are gonna taste is a decade or two of blood and sacrafice, only to see their british created country dissolve in civil war. This is the tragedy; the left knew that these men and women would die in vain, but people like you didn't listen.
Oh, and Mursilis, Christopher Hitchens is not a leftist. He's a lying snake. Read Blumenthal's Clinton Wars, Hitchens sold out his best friend and lied to get air time on tv talk shows. He's "noted" for his absolute lack of ethics.
Ozoned
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When you enter the service you swear to defend the constitution and to obey your comander in chief
and you do so willingly, without hesitation, and without malice..
What if baliBabyDoc were an Iraqi that came to the united states after the wars fevor and gained his citizen ship, came to be with his family who has been citizens for years, maybe even with a brother or sister who died in the sevice of the USA, during the invasion.....You are right, he certainly would not possess any less freedom of speech, but he certainly would possess so much more..
The soldiers deaths have different meanings to everyone, but are far from meaningless as you make
them out to be..
You must keep an open mind, or you will be blinded by the ignorance of others.
Sick, Boy when you think the left has hit bottom they come up with something like this, politicize their deaths, Bush's VietNam, Sad part is that they wanted to go and are fighting for you and the Iraq people and you make funny little pictures of them and use there deaths,
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