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Ouch!!! The tax increase sucks

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No guarantee that either of you will be able to understand this, but here goes:

Why SS cannot go bankrupt

May not be going bankrupt but it is the equivalent of such.
Not enough income to pay the expenses presently contracted at.

So either income (higher taxes on existing wages or more wages) goes up or expenses go down. (re-negotiate the rules of age & income)
 
My check is up $100 from a raise but down $80 from the FICA change. Net up $20.

I'm just glad that I get so much for my tax dollar. After having $27K withheld in 2012 between fed, state, and all the other assorted ways they've invented to stake claim to my blood, sweat and tears, it makes me feel good to know that the roads are in perfect condition, there's no more crime, no more hunger, no disease, and we've achieved world peace.

Oops, double checked my yearly withholdings. $27K
 
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what - nobody gets paid on the 1st & 15th? What's with this Friday is payday crap? 🙁

Different payroll dates for every company. Some get payed every week, others every two weeks.

Glad at least someone saw a positive change after a raise in the take home.
 
My check is up $100 from a raise but down $80 from the FICA change. Net up $20.

I'm just glad that I get so much for my tax dollar. After having $27K withheld in 2012 between fed, state, and all the other assorted ways they've invented to stake claim to my blood, sweat and tears, it makes me feel good to know that the roads are in perfect condition, there's no more crime, no more hunger, no disease, and we've achieved world peace.

Oops, double checked my yearly withholdings. $27K
Your expectations, of course, are spot on.
 
So your fix is - "Just don't pay people as much"?
Technically it is start paying them later. As people are living longer this only makes sense. If we don't adjust the retirement age to match life expectancy, we are in effect paying more. So instead of paying more, raising the retirement age actyally means paying them the same as we always have.

So what you done is cut spend on it 😀
Yes, in a way, or as I explained above, keep paying the same instead of continually paying more to each person as our life expectancy goes up.
 
My check is up $100 from a raise but down $80 from the FICA change. Net up $20.

I'm just glad that I get so much for my tax dollar. After having $27K withheld in 2012 between fed, state, and all the other assorted ways they've invented to stake claim to my blood, sweat and tears, it makes me feel good to know that the roads are in perfect condition, there's no more crime, no more hunger, no disease, and we've achieved world peace.

Oops, double checked my yearly withholdings. $27K

You could always move to somewhere that doesn't try as hard as the US. I hear it's pretty easy to move to Thailand or the Philippines. Why are you still here if the government is doing such a shitty job of providing essentials/infrastructure?
 
You could always move to somewhere that doesn't try as hard as the US. I hear it's pretty easy to move to Thailand or the Philippines. Why are you still here if the government is doing such a shitty job of providing essentials/infrastructure?

Family. After my parents die and my daughter is grown, I'll look for someplace better.
 
I figured it out!

If just 1/2 of ATOTers make even 1/2 of what they claim to make, by my estimate, these ATOTers alone will pay in enough to Social Security in the next 10 years to fund it fully for the next 200+ years.🙄

U MAD BRO, $10k a day CEO up in here...lolz.
 
This thread....
I was wondering if and when people would wake up.
I guess most people have to see it on Paper in black & white?
Funny isn't it how all the media were telling us how wonderful it would be if we diverted that cliff.
But again people are missing the bottom line. The POINT to note here.
And that is... The middle class growth once again not only remains stagnant, the middle class actually once again lost ground.
That line on the chart remains flatline level for 2013. Well, actually took yet another dip.
I'm beginning to realize why gun owners so strongly believe they need their assault weapons. At some point you just have to say enough!
Obviously "the vote" only amuses those in power.
And not to rain on the parade, but this does not even reflect insurance providers massive increases coming to a town near you.
So remind me... Where do I go to sign up for Obamacare again?
Welcome to the stagnant class... (Formerly known as middle)
 
Technically it is start paying them later. As people are living longer this only makes sense. If we don't adjust the retirement age to match life expectancy, we are in effect paying more. So instead of paying more, raising the retirement age actyally means paying them the same as we always have.

Yes, in a way, or as I explained above, keep paying the same instead of continually paying more to each person as our life expectancy goes up.

It would be nice if it worked that way. But it doesn't.

It's already a minimum of 62, 67 for full benefits, and a forced withdrawal at 70. What do you propose raising it to?

Life expectancy is 75-80 for women and 70-75 for men. As of now, the average person is only on it 8 - 18 years.
 
It would be nice if it worked that way. But it doesn't.

It's already a minimum of 62, 67 for full benefits, and a forced withdrawal at 70. What do you propose raising it to?

Life expectancy is 75-80 for women and 70-75 for men. As of now, the average person is only on it 8 - 18 years.

It's not 75-80 for women and 70-75 for men. It's 80.8 for women and 75.6 for men. Furthermore, life expectancy is not the correct way to look at the problem. A person who has already lived to age 67 has a much longer life expectancy than the overall average. You need to use actuarial tables to see how long they are expected to live. A man aged 67 is expected to life 15.77 more years, and a woman of the same age is expected to live 18.32 more years.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
 
No guarantee that either of you will be able to understand this, but here goes:

Why SS cannot go bankrupt

A sweet lie that can't hide the bitter truth
There is another trust fund issue and it is the one related to the expected increase in the ratio of retirees to workers over the next couple of decades. This would presumably cause a net drain on the fund since payments to retirees might increase relative to tax revenues.



This is actually the specific phenomenon to which many people are referring when they say that Social Security is going to go bankrupt. However, a) there is no guarantee this will occur since rising productivity could drive up wages sufficiently to compensate (although our trend of stagnating wages relative to profits is frustrating this) and b) even if that did occur, this hardly means that Social Security is kaput. Any shortfall can always be addressed in a very straightforward and supremely logical fashion: raise taxes or lower benefits (and it is exceedingly like that even if this occurs, we aren’t talking about anything drastic).🙄


It bears emphasizing, however, that such changes would still be a function of productivity and have absolutely, positively nothing to do with how much money we have or haven’t saved up. Funding, finances, money, taxes, etc. are part of the coordination mechanism, not the feasibility.


The lesson from this is that if we want Social Security to “be there” when we retire, our efforts must be focused on increasing productivity and making sure in particular that these increases get passed on to workers in the form of higher wages.:biggrin:😀😀😀😀😀😀:biggrin:
http://hosted.ap.org/interactives/2012/household-income/?SITE=
 
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