Ouch, hehe...VIA KT400 crashes @ live Q3 demo at QuakeCon

[paralazarguer]

ouch is right. If there's any thing to show that DDR400 certainly not ready for prime time yet (and may never be), this is it baby!!!!! via will live, but this just shows that DDR400 just is not ready for prime time.

What are you smoking? I'm running a p4 1.6a @2.26 with ddr400 on the sis 645DX chipset. I'm running this DDR400 at cas 2 also. It currently has uptime around 2 months from back when I built the system. Rock solid. DDR400 was ready for prime time months ago guy. What's not ready for prime time in my house is another VIA chipset. So many problems with the crap: Creative/VIA issues, infiniteloop/via issues, USB/via issues. I've experienced them all. The MSI KT266A board that I had was a miserable unstable piece of crap. The ECS board with the vanilla KT266 was worse. I won't trust VIA as far as I could throw my house. Since I've gone with SIS/Intel I've not had a single problem. I build the system and I have uptime forever. This is just a cheap $66 stick of samsung OEM 333 BTW.

 

[paralazarguer]

Did I mention that I'm a pissed off ex via customer? They make really crappy products.
From Aceshardware's review of the Athlon XP 2600
"We are not absolutely sure what happened here. More testing is necessary, and our latest tests indicate that with some different BIOS settings we might get 5% better performance out of the Athlon XP. Nevertheless, it is clear that the Athlon XP 2600+ is not even close to the Pentium 4 in this kind of workload. We suspect that VIA's AGP driver and chipset implementation might not be so effective and rather poorly optimized for professional OpenGL applications. Typically these kind of applications move around huge amounts of geometry data, and therefore memory bandwidth and AGP drivers can make a big difference. Both systems were running at AGP 4x, though. In any event, the 2.53 GHz Pentium 4 is the clear leader in this benchmark."

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: 7757524
DDR400 was ready for prime time months ago guy.

Huh?? It's been pretty clear lately that JEDEC has no intention of creating a standard for DDR400. Vendors may be putting out parts that claim to run at DDR400 speed, and companies like VIA may produce chipsets that claim to support it, but there is no and will be no standard for DDR400. Thus no "prime time".

 

[Chadder007]

... Hey Johnny.....you did put the heatsink on the chipset right??
(johnny) "D'oHH!!!!"

 

[Chadder007]

I really wish that AMD would come out with a chipset of their own again.

 

[ElFenix]

<homer>DOH!</homer>

 

[paralazarguer]

Huh?? It's been pretty clear lately that JEDEC has no intention of creating a standard for DDR400. Vendors may be putting out parts that claim to run at DDR400 speed, and companies like VIA may produce chipsets that claim to support it, but there is no and will be no standard for DDR400. Thus no "prime time".

DDR333 ran as overclocked DDR266 for months before JEDEC ratified it. DDR400 runs fast and stable with great chipset support. It's prime time is now.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: 7757524

Huh?? It's been pretty clear lately that JEDEC has no intention of creating a standard for DDR400. Vendors may be putting out parts that claim to run at DDR400 speed, and companies like VIA may produce chipsets that claim to support it, but there is no and will be no standard for DDR400. Thus no "prime time".

DDR333 ran as overclocked DDR266 for months before JEDEC ratified it. DDR400 runs fast and stable with great chipset support. It's prime time is now.

the difference is that the unoffical ddr333 was still 6ns chips usually. the unofficial ddr400 is not 5ns chips, they're still 6ns chips, so it really is an overclocked part.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I really wish that AMD would come out with a chipset of their own again.

So do I, but isn't that exactly what they're doing? Hammer will have its own memory controller so that if it runs into any of those problems, AMD can take care of it rather than let VIA try... and once again fail. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I cannot wait for Hammer. I'm really putting a lot of hopes on this one and if AMD doesn't deliver, I'm sure that I won't be the only one that will be hard-pressed to come back again.

 

[MadRat]

Whats the big deal where they never put the better 4ns chips on DIMMs? It would be definitely worth it to buy them for a premium.

 

[PCboy]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
lol. There goes the theory that there are no longer stability issues with VIA.
VIA couldn't even get thier own damn board stable.

Problems with DDR400?
*me pats 845E board running DDR426 with ZERO stability issues*

Seriously, my newest rig has made me an Intel chipset slut for life.
I will NOT consider AMD anymore until AMD itself decides to produce chipsets on a regular basis.

word.

 

[nagger]

Maybe they forgot to install the latest 4-in-1?

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I really wish that AMD would come out with a chipset of their own again.

VIA comments on this as follows: "As DDR400 standard is not ratified, we increase the timings greatly to ensure stable work and it inevitably leads to lower performance". Well, quite reasonable, I should say.
<RALPH>My cats breath smells like cat food</RALPH>

edit: Oh yeah, and regarding the misleading model numbers, remember the KT133? Maybe we just have to wait for the KT400A with 'official' ddr 400 support? Stupid fvcking VIA bastards.

 

[AmdInside]

I see AMD pushing NVIDIA's nForce as a stable solution. Check out this kit which AMD is testing for the market.

AMD Assured Kit

It basically is a kit which includes an AMD processor with a motherboard and memory combination that has passed AMD's tortuous tests. In this kit, they include an NVIDIA nForce motherboard, not a Via chipset motherboard.

Do you think AMD would have gotten the HP business contract if it had to rely on Via, Ali or SiS chipsets? (Actually, I am a big fan of SiS motherboard chipsets).

 

[ronein]

Maybe they forgot to install the latest 4-in-1?

LOL